OT: 8:46 a.m.: Never forget, never forgotten

[Geezil]

And may the Freedom Tower, now finally under construction where the World Trade Center once stood, become the symbol of hope we all need.

Best always,
Burt & Flo

[janiepooh34]

I don't think it is appalling that some people are calling for the end of 9-11 memorials.

I can see the more public memorials slowing down to every 5 years once we hit the 10 year mark. I say this because, for example, we don't see the huge public memorial services for Pearl Harbor unless its on a 5 year mark. Smaller ones are always there and it is written up in the paper...but...as time moves on so do people. That's life.

Think about it. My 6 year old really has no idea what 9-11 was/means. Yes, he has seen things about the towers being hit by planes and then falling. I have talked to him about what happened, but he doesn't really understand the meaning behind it...and he REALLY doesn't understand Pearl Harbor. My 1 year old is going to be even less aware about these things and their importance.

So, sad as it is, things that are important to us today, lose that importance as time goes on. These people calling for an end to memorials are just voicing their opinion a little bit earlier than some other people would like. In all actuality, I am surprised there are so many public memorials still. Typically, things are big on the 1st anniversary and then fall off until the 5th. Then again on the 10th and so on. Be happy that there are still big public memorials happening even though it is "only" the 6th.

[oceansoul]

I will never forget how the american soldiers tortured and killed the INNOCENT iraqi people during Adolf Bush's prestige war.

[Geezil]

Aside to oceansoul: All power to you in freely expressing your particular opinion, but this thread is not the place. (Somebody tell me right now if I'm being off base here at all.)

[J. J. Hunsecker]

Aside to oceansoul: All power to you in freely expressing your particular opinion, but this thread is not the place. (Somebody tell me right now if I'm being off base here at all.)
Geezil,

I'm sure your heart is in the right place, but posts like this are guarenteed to start heated political debates.

Personally, I don't see how a memorial is going to help anyone. It won't bring back the people who died that terrible day. Instead, it would be better to figure out how we were caught unawares that day and do something to rectify the situation so it couldn't happen again. To this day, the much needed security measures at Airports and Nuclear facilities are still lacking. The nation's ports are also lack the necessary security. The events of 9/11 should be a lesson of what happens when our government ignores the warnings of its own intelligence community.

Also, instead of a memorial, I think it would be better to rebuild the towers for commerce again (as a way to show the world we are undaunted), only this time not so high that they are dangerous. (The original towers were built with the foreknowledge that they might get hit [accidently] by a plane one day. They were built to withstand that type of accident.) There were designs problems with the old towers, too. The stairs were all located in the same place instead of having two sets at opposite ends, which would have made escape easier. Guilliani also had emergency supplies, including barrels of gasoline, located in one of the towers. Obviously, events have shown us that is not a good idea.

[Tom Stathes]

The purpose here is to remember the victims of 9/11, whoever they were and wherever they were affected.
There will be no political or economical discussion from this point forward- only rememberances of the victims.

[J. J. Hunsecker]

The purpose here is to remember the victims of 9/11, whoever they were and wherever they were affected.
There will be no political or economical discussion from this point forward- only rememberances of the victims.
Politics is intrinsically tied up with discussions of 9/11, including those of the victims. The political genie was let out of the bottle on the first reply to this thread! Good luck trying to moderate that.

Also, this thread mentioned the proposed Freedom Tower, which may or may not be an appropriate memorial to the victims of 9/11. That alone is going to cause controversy.

And one last word about remembering the victims. I find it odd that people would phrase it in that way. Anyone who was an adult on September 11, 2001 is not going to forget the events that day, even if they tried. It's only been 6 years and the memory is still too fresh.

[Bugsy-Kun]

I still think of his event and like anynones here, i have lot of worryness for my safety. I would pray for anyone who lost a parent, children, sibling or a friend in this tragic event.

For me, it's a day for remember that we can't win easily despite our power and our richeness. Amen!

[Tom Stathes]

Politics is intrinsically tied up with discussions of 9/11, including those of the victims. The political genie was let out of the bottle on the first reply to this thread! Good luck trying to moderate that.

Also, this thread mentioned the proposed Freedom Tower, which may or may not be an appropriate memorial to the victims of 9/11. That alone is going to cause controversy.
Right...in other words, there should be no mention of those aspects after my initial post.

[larriva9/11]

All I can say is: remember my user name. (At least, if you want to puncture the solemnity and sanctimony.)

[Geezil]

Geezil,

I'm sure your heart is in the right place, but posts like this are guaranteed to start heated [...] debates.

Only if one fails to keep in mind that, as Tom tried so well to put across to everyone, GAC is a No Flaming Zone. And I'm not the one who went that way, nor did the two other posters who immediately followed me before deletions were made ... take another look at post #3 and see who actually needed to put out the fire. (Aside to Sogturtle: no apology necessary from you, Tim.)

[J. J. Hunsecker]

Only if one fails to keep in mind that, as Tom tried so well to put across to everyone, GAC is a No Flaming Zone. And I'm not the one who went that way, nor did the two other posters who immediately followed me before deletions were made ... take another look at post #3 and see who actually needed to put out the fire. (Aside to Sogturtle: no apology necessary from you, Tim.)
What happened to Sogturtle's response? He was the first one to reply to your post. Why was it deleted?

[Tom Stathes]

What happened to Sogturtle's response? He was the first one to reply to your post. Why was it deleted?
He chose to delete it himself.

On a more appropriate note, my thoughts and prayers go out this evening to the families and friends of 9/11 victims.

[Geezil]

Well said in post #13, Tom. But you and I both know talking to walls isn't healthy. Perhaps this thread should take its leave entirely.

[Matthew Hunter]

Awful day, it was. I remember exactly where I was and what I was doing when it happened...in a high school history class. It affected everyone, regardless of political leanings. I don't think arguments or jabs at anyone are appropriate for the subject. Remember and pay respects.

[Geezil]

And for my part, I was running 15 minutes late for work that day on a normal subway commute to the WTC from Forest Hills, Queens, which made all the difference. Just the same, my train was taken out of service at City Hall station in lower Manhattan, and I got upstairs just in time to join the first streams of the walking wounded retreating north on Broadway. It was about 20 minutes after that when (as much later became clear) I heard the rumbling and stood in the shadow of the first collapsing tower. That, and much more, is what I'll always remember.

And I have tried not to be in any way combative in this thread, but tying this subject to someone else's apples-and-oranges political poison dart is simply unforgivable. That's the crux of it all.

May all the lost innocents of 9/11 be at peace.

[J. J. Hunsecker]

He chose to delete it himself.
That's strange. I wonder why? Does anyone here besides me not understand Sogturtle's line of reasoning?

I'd like to think Soggy felt his initial reply was too inflammatory and judgemental, and had the good taste to remove it. At the same time, it seems a little cowardly (EDIT: perhaps cowardly is too strong a word) to self-censor one's post. One should leave their original thoughts for all to see, and apologize for it if one changes one's mind. (Now Janiepooh's response doesn't make sense since the original context is missing.)

[Jon Cooke]

I do not like the direction this this thread is heading in... and will be closing it now before things get any worse. I am sure this wasn't exactly what Geezil had in mind when he started this thread.