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speedy fast
09-09-2007, 12:31 AM
On the audio commentary for Duck Amuck in the first Golden Collection, it's said that the cartoon almost had a different ending because Warner Brothers didn't want Bugs Bunny to have such a small role in a cartoon. However, I have started to wonder what the big deal was. Bugs had previously had small roles in Porky Pigs Feat, Crazy Cruise, and The Goofy Gopher, all of which were ending gags, and were close in legnth as the ending gag in this cartoon.

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Speedy Boris
09-09-2007, 12:51 AM
I didn't have a problem with it either. The ending only makes the whole cartoon much better, as it suddenly makes sense why this particular artist wants to tease Daffy so.

J. J. Hunsecker
09-09-2007, 12:57 AM
On the audio commentary for Duck Amuck in the first Golden Collection, it's said that the cartoon almost had a different ending because Warner Brothers didn't want Bugs Bunny to have such a small role in a cartoon. However, I have started to wonder what the big deal was. Bugs had previously had small roles in Porky Pigs Feat, Crazy Cruise, and The Goofy Gopher, all of which were ending gags, and were close in legnth as the ending gag in this cartoon.

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Maybe because the ealier cartoons you've mentioned were made when Leon Schlesinger was the producer, while Duck Amuck was made when Edward Selzer took over the job. Schlesinger was described as having a sense of humor, while Selzer was described as being humorless.

Or the tale about the ending to Duck Amuck could just be an apocryphal anecdote.

oceansoul
09-09-2007, 04:12 AM
Anyone knows what were the unfamous Selzer's favourite cartoons or characters? I only hear about him as someone who didn't want Tweety to pair Sylvester, and hated the Tasmanian devil (which isn't actually a bad thing, I hate it too :D ).

J. B. Warner
09-09-2007, 11:20 AM
Anyone knows what were the unfamous Selzer's favourite cartoons or characters? I only hear about him as someone who didn't want Tweety to pair Sylvester, and hated the Tasmanian devil (which isn't actually a bad thing, I hate it too :D ).

Rumor has it that he also hated the Road Runner and Wile E. Coyote because their cartoons didn't require any voice acting (I believe his exact words were "Dammit, we pay Mel Blanc!"). And he didn't think Pepe le Pew's fractured French was funny.

Favorites? Heck, I don't think he liked cartoons at all.

Jack G.
09-09-2007, 03:53 PM
Selzer's comment, "What the hell does this all this laughter have to do with making cartoons?" sums the guy up pretty good.

oceansoul
09-09-2007, 08:59 PM
OMG, pretty sad. :(

But at least he was spot on with some dislikes (Pepe le Pew, Tasmanian Devil) ;)

Ray Pointer
09-10-2007, 03:11 PM
The point of the ending of DUCK AMUCK is that it is a cameo gag. Bugs' presence is throuhout the cartoon, by not realized until the end. It is yet another of Jones' rivalry set ups between Bugs and Daffy, which gave them a new dimension and new opportunities for comedy based on Daffy's vanity and greed. Because of these traits, he is the cause of his own misfortune. Too bad that this had to be explained for people like Eddie Seltzer, if that was indeed necessary. I suppose the returns in film rentals were what "entertained " him the most.

Marty26
09-10-2007, 07:10 PM
Maybe because the ealier cartoons you've mentioned were made when Leon Schlesinger was the producer, while Duck Amuck was made when Edward Selzer took over the job. Schlesinger was described as having a sense of humor, while Selzer was described as being humorless.

Or the tale about the ending to Duck Amuck could just be an apocryphal anecdote.

Wait a second. The Goofy Gophers was released in January, 1947. Wasn't Schlesinger gone by then?

Marty26
09-10-2007, 07:12 PM
By the way, Ed Selzer also thought Bully For Bugs would be a flop because "Bulls aren't funny." :befuddled

J. J. Hunsecker
09-10-2007, 07:33 PM
Wait a second. The Goofy Gophers was released in January, 1947. Wasn't Schlesinger gone by then?
The Goofy Gophers was started under Schlesinger's rein, but release when Selzer took over. It was one of the cartoons that Clampett started and Art Davis completed. (I think Clampett finished the soundtrack.)

SirRuppOfFiggs
10-08-2007, 01:49 PM
Eh?? I remember an interview fragment with McKimson in Maltin that Selzer encouraged more Tasmanian Devil cartoons.

Jack
10-08-2007, 02:14 PM
Wait a second. The Goofy Gophers was released in January, 1947. Wasn't Schlesinger gone by then?
Also, a cartoon was usually released a year, maybe even two, after it was actually begun. This was due to film processing or because the studio had a backlog of cartoons built up.

Jack G.
10-08-2007, 04:32 PM
Eh?? I remember an interview fragment with McKimson in Maltin that Selzer encouraged more Tasmanian Devil cartoons.I read that interview and I'm pretty sure it was old J.L. that liked Taz.

Matt the Y
10-08-2007, 04:58 PM
I read that interview and I'm pretty sure it was old J.L. that liked Taz.

Yes; Selzer himself vehemently disliked Taz and ordered McKimson never to make another cartoon with the character again. However, a few years later, J.L. Warner remembered the character with fondness and longed for more and asked Selzer why they hadn't bothered to use the character again after "Devil May Hare". Selzer explained that he ordered them to stop making Taz pictures after the first outing. J.L. then ordered, "Get back in there and make some more of them; he's a funny character!". I must say, I actually disagree with J.L. in this case (Taz is an interesting character, to say the least, but he isn't THAT great!!!!!) but it's good to see that, for once, someone was able to put Selzer in his place.