Tom & Jerry Spotlight Collection Censored!

[Thad]

The following scenes have been edited on the Tom & Jerry DVD due out this Tuesday:

"The Milky Waif" - Jerry and Nibbles using shoe polish to disguise as black mice.

http://looney.goldenagecartoons.com/ltcuts/milkywaif.jpg

"The Truce Hurts" - A meat truck splashes mud on Spike, Tom, and Jerry, leaving them in blackface.

"The Little Orphan" - Tom gets burnt by a candle and turned into a 'pickaninny'.

http://looney.goldenagecartoons.com/lilorphan.jpg


WB is going to make up for this, as they have been advertising the set as uncut. Buyers will be able to exchange the edited disc for a completely unedited one by mail with Warner Home Video. Jerry Beck will have more information on the situation later this week.


-Thad

[corey3rd]

honestly this is the better route for Warners since parents who don't want the blackface moment won't be sending in their DVDs.

[J. B. Warner]

I was afraid of this...still, at least you can exchange them at no extra cost (at least, it better not be, aside from the postage).

[cabe624]

Yeah, Jerry told me about this a few weeks ago. I was somewhat angry because it seems that they didn't do enough checking ahead of time to make sure that the cartoons would be uncut. Thankfully, WB will be offering an exchange program.

[MF TOON]

I'm curious... does this mean that a follow-up Vol. 2 will purposefully NOT be LABELED as UNCUT in order to avoid possible p.c. contraversial material and save from a situation like such in which a disc replacement policy would have to be organized, or does it mean that WB will be more efficient in their future production efforts??

[Dan Porceddu]

I'm curious... does this mean that a follow-up Vol. 2 will purposefully NOT be LABELED as UNCUT in order to avoid possible p.c. contraversial material and save from a situation like such in which a disc replacement policy would have to be organized, or does it mean that WB will be more efficient in their future production efforts??Probably the latter... All indications are that the censoring of these three cartoons was a mistake that was caught after the discs were produced... Otherwise other cartoons like "Flirty Birdy" would also be censored as well.


-Dan

[Leviathan]

From what I've heard, The Transers for the Tom and Jerry Cartoons on the Set aren't all that great either (as in unrestored). What's With Warner Bros. and Paramount using Disney's (on Fantasia and Walt Disney Treasures: Wave 1) Bill-Censored-DVD's as uncut syndrome all of a Sudden?

Insted of Fruitlessly Chasing JAnet Jackson and Howard Stern, The FCC could be Doing it's Job and fining these companies for False Advertising

[Merrytoon]

So... Does this mean that eventrually we'll be able to buy the uncut set in stores, or is the only wat to get it to buy the censored set and to send it in? Because if that's the case it's not even worth the hassle to me.

[wundermild]

Replacing the censored DVD for an uncensored one, for anyone who asks for it ... whatever the benefits of this procedure are, I believe people like me who live outside the R1 countries are the ones who'll get stuck with this. Will the company replace my DVD I'll send to them from Germany? I very much doubt so. (Besides, mailing the piece across the Atlantic, only to mail it back and receive the ersatz DVD also across the Atlantic ... somehow makes little sense to me.)

Perhaps there are fellow GAC members who are willing to help out?

WW

[Kaleido]

Insted of Fruitlessly Chasing JAnet Jackson and Howard Stern, The FCC could be Doing it's Job and fining these companies for False AdvertisingI'm not sure what or how the FCC could do anything about this and I've noticed that it's gone out of its way to make it look like it's doing something without really doing anything - note that the FCC is going after Clear Channel for Howard Stern despite the fact that its financial stake in his show is minimal while Infinity Broadcasting, which does have a major stake in Stern, has been left untouched, but at least Warner Home Video is doing something immediately, which is more than what we can say about Paramount with its "uncut" Ren and Stimpy set.

So should I cancel my order with Amazon.com (which won't arrive until November because it's supposed to ship with my Golden Collection 2 set) or can I expect Warner Home Video to recall the sets from retailers as well and in a reasonable amount of time?

[Buttmunker]

I had a feeling this was going to happen. The Milky Waif is perhaps the mosst risque short in the whole series, and that's the one they decided to include in this new collection. They'd have been better off with a full-length Mammy short because, at least, she's a human and not a caricature (yes, I repeat, not a caricature - just watch Gone With The Wind), while Nibbles the Mouse and Jerry are caricatures of black women. I thought to myself: if this cartoon appears uncut, then it is a shoo-in that the rest of the series would be presented uncut, for sure.

But I knew it was too good to be true.

Now, why would Yankee Doodle Mouse be uncut when it was intact on 2000's Greatest Chases?

[Mac]

Buying the uncut version of a DVD of advertised uncut cartoons shouldn't be so difficult! I don't really know what to do about this as I don't want to miss out on this, but I also don't want to be stuck with the edited version. Hopefully Warners will send a replacement disk overseas, after all it'd be pretty rude of them not to! Another thing they could do, in addition to the exchange offer, is add the 3 uncensored cartoons on Volume 2 so that people can still have the COMPLETE collection.

Seeing as Amazon cannot currently bring up the page which allows me to cancel my orders, and because I still really want the rest of the cartons on this set, I think I'll get this anyway. I'll just keep my fingers crossed that they will replace my disc. I'd much rather Warners just delay the release to replace all the edited discs and deliver on what they promised.

[Vdubdavid]

Does anyone else feel like Yosemite Sam in the cartoon "From Hare to Heir", where you want to get angry but can't? I want to blow my top, especially because the ad I saw for this set said in big red letters "UNCUT", but I'm trying to hold my temper purely because Warner's is trying to fix this, and good for them, by the way. You didn't see Disney offering a replacement for the edited "Three Little Pigs" on the first Silly Symphonies set!

[Larry T]

still, at least you can exchange them at no extra cost (at least, it better not be, aside from the postage).Yeah, that's provided you even get it. What I don't trust about this is that you're forced to buy the edited set first, THEN send away for the replacement DVD.... hmmm.... and what if it never shows up? Who will you go to so that you can complain? Dial a 1-800-SCR-EWME so that you can be ping-ponged through a series of automated messages, and eventually just hang up because you can't be bothered..... yet the sales office still has your money.... this playing the consumer from over an arm's length strategy is really starting to wear thin.... it's just another form of aggressive (and deceitful) marketing.

All I can say about these recent DVD scams is this: Suppose I was a person who was allergic to peanuts. I bought a product specifically because it stated on the ingredients label, "This product does not contain whole peanuts nor traces of peanuts." So I eat it and my throat closes up, I go into seizures, and eventually die because even though the label stated there were no peanuts in the product, it had them anyway. That wouldn't be too great, would it?

[Sean Gaffney]

I think the peanut metaphor is a bit of a stretch. Yes, there was an error, but a) it doesn't look deliberate, b) they're fixing it as quickly as possible. I think we should cheer Jerry and WB on for being willing to hack into a possible profit margin in order to give the fans what they want, rather than simply say "Oops, oh well."



And no one is going to DIE from not seeing Jerry in blackface like they would if they were allergic to peanuts. It's just a cartoon. :tomcat: :jerry:

[Buttmunker]

I wonder if this puts a kabosh on Jerry Beck's good name?

[Thad]

I wonder if this puts a kabosh on Jerry Beck's good name?
Don't say moronic things like that. This is Warner Bros. fault and their's alone. Jerry has nothing to do with WB's idiotic tactics, and rather than pre-empting the DVD to fix it, they're doing a 'mail-in'. WB would rather put out defective discs and fix their error afterwards, rather than fix them before they're issued. Blame WB all you want, but don't blame Jerry for this situation AT ALL.


-Thad

[Martin Juneau]

Don't say moronic things like that. This is Warner Bros. fault and their's alone. Jerry has nothing to do with WB's idiotic tactics, and rather than pre-empting the DVD to fix it, they're doing a 'mail-in'. WB would rather put out defective discs and fix their error afterwards, rather than fix them before they're issued. Blame WB all you want, but don't blame Jerry for this situation AT ALL.


-Thad
For my part, the fault are the TV show today's and kids. Why featuring black characters today in TV shows when for classic cartoons are often censored?

[Larry T]

I think the peanut metaphor is a bit of a stretch. And no one is going to DIE from not seeing Jerry in blackface like they would if they were allergic to peanuts. It's just a cartoon.
My storytelling is an extreme example to make a point about deliberately misleading corporate advertising used to hype and/or sell a product, on which this entire issue is based. This DVD set was being touted (as well as Fantasia and Ren & Stimpy in recent times) as "uncut, original" and whatnot. If from the beginning we were told, "another collection of edited, PC-friendly T&J cartoons packaged into a special commemorative edition..... oh, by the way, purchase this and you can exchange one of the DVDs for another one containing uncut versions of the cartoons you originally wanted" it would be a completely different matter.

Knowing the way marketing executives think, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the set sells well anyway, sales are balanced against the amount of DVD exchanges that were done, and the bottom line features the marketers with a statement like, "See? People will buy these whether or not they're censored or tampered with... that was a minor issue in the buyers' minds. We don't need to care anymore about the real quality of the product, just its namesake. Now we don't have to worry about DVD-release precendents at all, because nobody is even raising the bar. Let the QC department go now and save yourselves a lot of money."

Blame WB all you want, but don't blame Jerry for this situation AT ALL.
That is exactly right. As I outlined earlier in another thread, Jerry is the right man to have at the helm. But what happens after he completes his assignment is not his fault. As far as he knew, the product was exactly the way he finished his work on it, until he learned otherwise. This is the work of the hands that get into the pot AFTER the product is prototyped.

[Bartman]

I don't plan on buying the set, since I already have all the shorts. I just knew this was going to happen...I knew it, I knew it!!


2 of those same cartoons were previoudly released on DVD in edited form - I knew it would happen again!!!

[Jaime_Weinman]

WB has done stuff like this before, though not censorship related. Their DVD of The Great Race (which sort of fits here because of all those cool Treg Brown sound effects) included a monstrously bad mistake in the mastering of the soundtrack, whereby the booing and cheering in the opening credits was mixed up, ruining the joke. They released it that way, and then they quietly fixed the problem and released it with the corrected soundtrack once the first batch was sold out -- but again, they either couldn't or wouldn't recall the disc and delay the release date.

[crow_T_robot]

i had high hopes for this set and everything was going to be uncut, i should of known better. i still plan on buying this but hopefully this dosen't become a new thing where we buy edited cartoons and exchange for uncut ones.

[Jaime_Weinman]

What About George Feltenstein? Can I Assume HE has a stake in this? Not necessarily -- the decision to do an exchange program rather than pulling defective discs off the market is a corporate decision, not one made by the people who developed the DVD projects.

I don't want to throw blame around because it's hard for me to know exactly how this happened. But as I said earlier, WB has pulled this before: they'll release a defective disc and then fix the mistake, rather than delaying the release date to give them time to fix the mistake before it's released.

[Leviathan]

Does anyone else feel like Yosemite Sam in the cartoon "From Hare to Heir", where you want to get angry but can't? I want to blow my top, especially because the ad I saw for this set said in big red letters "UNCUT", but I'm trying to hold my temper purely because Warner's is trying to fix this, and good for them, by the way. You didn't see Disney offering a replacement for the edited "Three Little Pigs" on the first Silly Symphonies set!
Not to Mention the Edited Clock Cleaners on the Mickey Mouse in Living Color Set

[grundle]

Jerry is a geat guy who always wanted these cartoons to be uncut. This is definiteley not his fault.

If this really was an "accident" on the part of someone at WB, then a corrected set will eventually be available in retaill stores. So all I have to do is wait for that to happen.

On the other hand, if it was deliberate on the part of some executive at WB, then a corrected set may never end up in stores.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see which of the two it is.

I did buy "Greatest Chases" in early 2000, even though I already knew before I bought it that one of the cartoons on it was censored. If the censorship on that was an "accident," then how come they still haven't released a corrected version in stores after more than 4 years?

[Mr. Jinks]

Not to Mention the Edited Clock Cleaners on the Mickey Mouse in Living Color SetNot to get off track, but Clock Cleaners was edited? What scene was edited???

[Jaime_Weinman]

I did buy "Greatest Chases" in early 2000, even though I already knew before I bought it that one of the cartoons on it was censored. If the censorship on that was an "accident," then how come they still haven't released a corrected version in stores after more than 4 years?
No, the censorship on that one definitely wasn't an accident. What I'm speculating is that WB re-used old DVD masters (the masters prepared for "Greatest Chases" and other DVDs) for this new DVD set, and the cuts had already been made, several years ago, to those DVD masters. That's where the "accident" comes in. I may be wrong, but like I said before, it definitely looks to me like they used old DVD versions instead of newly remastering most of these cartoons.

[Lee Glover]

Buying the uncut version of a DVD of advertised uncut cartoons shouldn't be so difficult! I don't really know what to do about this as I don't want to miss out on this, but I also don't want to be stuck with the edited version. Hopefully Warners will send a replacement disk overseas, after all it'd be pretty rude of them not to! Another thing they could do, in addition to the exchange offer, is add the 3 uncensored cartoons on Volume 2 so that people can still have the COMPLETE collection.

Seeing as Amazon cannot currently bring up the page which allows me to cancel my orders, and because I still really want the rest of the cartons on this set, I think I'll get this anyway. I'll just keep my fingers crossed that they will replace my disc. I'd much rather Warners just delay the release to replace all the edited discs and deliver on what they promised.I hope they will delay the release too, because I don't think Warner will allow us "foreigners" to send these discs back for replacements. :(

I pre-ordered this on dvdsoon.com along with all three Disney treasures at discounted prices. Unfortunately, if I had to cancel the order for the T&J set, I'll have to cancel the whole order and re-order the Treasures DVD, which have now increased in price. :eek:

This is going to be a big decision. Should I cancel or stick with my order?

[Nick]

Oh, this is just great. Mine has already shipped, so I guess I'm going to have to wait until I get it.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Mac]

Lee, I don't see why Warners wouldn't replace our discs just because we're overseas - We'll have bought the DVD fair and square and so the same rules should apply. I am very wary though that they won't! I'm paranoid that I'll have paid for a disc which I then pop into the post never to see a replacement - what a con! To be on the safe side, when we find out where we get our replacements I'll contact them before sending anything.

I've decided to stick with my order and hope for the best, but it was a hard decision and I'm still worried I'll get gypped.

[grundle]

No, the censorship on that one definitely wasn't an accident. What I'm speculating is that WB re-used old DVD masters (the masters prepared for "Greatest Chases" and other DVDs) for this new DVD set, and the cuts had already been made, several years ago, to those DVD masters. That's where the "accident" comes in. I may be wrong, but like I said before, it definitely looks to me like they used old DVD versions instead of newly remastering most of these cartoons. Thank you for that explanation.

I'm sure Jerry knew that the old ones were censored. And I'm sure he did everything in his power to use uncut versions for the new release. And I'm sure he told his supervisers at WB about the old versions being censored.

So I find it very hard to beleive that the censorship in the new set was an accident. Of course, it's possible that was is an accident. But I am very, very skeptical.

I will wait for a corrected version to be released in stores.

[Leviathan]

Not to get off track, but Clock Cleaners was edited? What scene was edited???
Donald's Voice (When He Says "Sez You") was redubbed, using a Clarence Nash recording form another Cartoon (I think "Sez You" was replaced with "Aw, Phooey") . I'm guessing Leonard Maltin and the Buena Vista Home Video Staff grabbed a post-1995 Disney Channel Master.

And I'll give You Three Guesses as to WHY it was edited.

[Duck Dodgers]

the uncut clock cleaners is available in the one hour in wonderland special included on the special edition of alice in wonderland.


i did suppose that these short would have been uncut ,i hope i'll find some guy who would buy the set for me and order the dvd for replacement for me,and then ship all to me,
i'll pay for the disturb of course,

if anyone want to do it please contact me!

i ask this because i think that wb will not do this for us who do not live in the states...

[Lee Glover]

Lee, I don't see why Warners wouldn't replace our discs just because we're overseas - We'll have bought the DVD fair and square and so the same rules should apply. I am very wary though that they won't! I'm paranoid that I'll have paid for a disc which I then pop into the post never to see a replacement - what a con! To be on the safe side, when we find out where we get our replacements I'll contact them before sending anything.Well, I'm still certain that Warner will not replace the discs for overseas customers. As far as they're concerned, we're not meant to be buying their DVDs (and they have been trying to stop us buying them when they intoduced RCE-encoding on certain titles). But I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they will accept the discs from us.

I've decided to stick with my order and hope for the best, but it was a hard decision and I'm still worried I'll get gypped.I'll be doing the same. I hope they have solved the problem before the DVDs hit the shelves.

[Senbei Norimaki]

Time-Warner has also released a censored/defective Johnny Quest DVD set. If these problems are really not intentional then Time-Warner needs to hire more competent employees.

[grundle]

You can read about the censorship of the Jonny Quest DVD set here. (http://tinyurl.com/6rcv6)

Even though I knew about the censorship, I figured that it would probably never be fixed, and since it is one of my five favorite TV shows of all time, I bought it.

I watched all 26 epidoes in about four days.

I am very glad that I bought it.

[Nelson]

Personally, I'm not one bit surprised by this, as it tells you that the folks over at Warner Home Video looks at this collection aimed for "kids" and not adults.I think that the idea, is that first, you buy the edited collection "first" and send the discs and get the uncut collection from WHV, is a very moronic idea, as the uncut dvd collection should be released in stores and not through mail order.In my opinon, this is not the way to honor the great works of Hanna-Barbera's Tom And Jerry theatrical cartoons in any way, but destroys their art in this collection.

I have no plans to purchase this set on this bonehead decison.:mad:

[goatgod]

I can't help but feel cheated. From day one this set has been hyped as THE set. Wasn't it supposed to be in chronological order at one point? Anyway, from the get-go this was billed as uncut. They had to know how big of a deal unedited content was, and to me their labeling it as uncut is proof. When they restore these toons, are they using TV prints? I honestly don't think the original negatives have been edited in any way. How did edited prints show up on the set then? Are these even really being restored? I sincerely hope that these last minute edit discoveries don't plague the days prior to the release of the 2nd golden collection.

[decentdave]

:eek: My set has just arrived along with wacky races and yes it's censored. This stinks , while i would have probably bought it anyway this was supposed to be the best T&J set ever - it's got the same poor cuts for milky waif and little orphan that are on a T&J region 2 set over here in UK ( six dics with over 140 T&J's which were used as an example of how not to butcher cartoons ).


The other thing i've noticed is on the spine of the DVD box there is no number to indicate if this will be part of a set - Flintstones season 1 has a 1 to indicate the first of a set , and wacky races has a 1 as this is the first set of a classic collection. I dont usually believe in conspiracy theory's but this just looks like one big con and we've all gone and bought a set of cartoons that are freely available elsewhere

Heres some relevant questions- ( i dont expect warner to answer these)

Will this non-edited disc be available in stores later? :rolleyes:

Will warner accept exchanges from outside the US ?:mad: :(

Who pays postage for this?:mad: :(

[decentdave]

Just one more thing - nowhere on the box does it state that this set would be uncut - just restored? and remastered:rolleyes: . Now i'm not one of those people who has to have everything as origonal, i can still enjoy these films as they are but all the press relases i saw said they would be restored - surely that means back to origonal state - fortunatly i have these as video clips on my pc and i'm old enough to remember what they look like but a lot of people will not .

This cannot have been a last minute executive decision to include these as they are as the DVD's would have been in production for some weeks now!!

I may be coming across as angry about this - i'm not - i'm just disappointed.

I sometimes think too much is made of getting cartoons back too origonal state but i just feel let down.

[Scaramanga]

I received the set today and all I can say is I'm disappointed ... being a European who especially ordered this set hoping it would be uncut I feel even worse. I payed quite a bit for the dvd set and even more import and customs taxes to get them and then this ... :(

Even quality wise I'm disappointed, they are supposed to be restored and remasterd ... I wonder which of the cartoons they're referring to ? Even the best one of the shorts on this set doesn't look nearly as good as the ones on the Looney Tunes Golden Collection.

I'm just disappointed I guess. I hope I'll be able to get a replacement too, although since I'm overseas for some reason I highly doubt that's gonna be the case. Cause no way I'm sending those discs back (which would could me dearly) without some kind of reassurance I will get uncut discs in return.

:( :(

In retrospect, maybe I'm a bit too harsh about the remastering / restoring of these cartoons. Guess it's all because I'm so disappointed about the cuts. They really kinda spoil the release :(

[Cartman]

Personally, I'm not one bit surprised by this, as it tells you that the folks over at Warner Home Video looks at this collection aimed for "kids" and not adults.I think that the idea, is that first, you buy the edited collection "first" and send the discs and get the uncut collection from WHV, is a very moronic idea, as the uncut dvd collection should be released in stores and not through mail order.In my opinon, this is not the way to honor the great works of Hanna-Barbera's Tom And Jerry theatrical cartoons in any way, but destroys their art in this collection.

I have no plans to purchase this set on this bonehead decison.:mad:
Well put, Nelson. I'm glad yet another classic animation studio is releasing their cartoons on DVD, but it should follow the same forumula that Disney and WB did, releasing every cartoon uncut.

[MF TOON]

Well I can't buy this until either Warner Bros. or Jerry Beck comment on the situation... I'm very dissapointed.

[Leviathan]

"Uncut and from Brnad New Transfers" indeed. I Guess this means there'll be no Mammay Cartoons on DVD at all, they'll get to Join the Popeye and Tex Avery cartoons in WHV Purgatory. This is NOT something that Feltenstein and WHV can just blow over like not inlcuding "What's Opera Doc" and "ONe Froggy Evening" on the first LTGC. Hopefully WHV will get the PR beating they deserve


I say WHV should get some more competent employees.

[Mr. Jinks]

Do you think Warner spent so much more time and focus on Looney Tunes Wave 2 that they "neglected" Tom and Jerry???

[Senbei Norimaki]

I bought the set this morning at Target. I really liked the Documentaries & Jerry Beck's commentaries. It was also very cool to see the 3 cartoons in widescreen. Hopefully Time-Warner will start replacing the defective disc soon. Not bad for $15.99.



Did Time-Warner really have to put a trailer for a cartoon cartoon on this set.:rolleyes: It’s bad enough I see them every time I watch cartoon network I don’t need to see them on my DVDs!

[Duck Dodgers]

uhmmm...the looney tunes presented in the first two waves are uncut,but they do not present particular racial stereotypes or particular things who could be censored...and the tom and jerry dvd set is censored...oh boy,this could mean we'll never have an uncensored dvd boxed set of tex avery cartoons!:befuddled :ysam:

[Hippety Hopper]

Lee and Mac let me know how it goes will Warner's, I cancelled my order (not wanted to have the same cartoons again with the SAME cuts as before). If you get a good response I'll definately pick the set up.

[corey3rd]

uhmmm...the looney tunes presented in the first two waves are uncut,but they do not present particular racial stereotypes or particular things who could be censored...and the tom and jerry dvd set is censored...oh boy,this could mean we'll never have an uncensored dvd boxed set of tex avery cartoons!:befuddled :ysam:
Tex Avery set will appeal more to grown ups so it shouldn't be snipped up.

[Eddie Estes]

:mad: Is there a anyone at WBHV that we can contact to raise a little he**.
I really wanted and bought it against my better judgement after seeing
news that Warner may replace the first disc.

[Nick]

I got this set today, and I must say, I'm quite disapointed. :( For a DVD, the quality of the cartoons is poor, even though on the back it says that they are remastered and restored. Nonetheless, it is fun watching the cartoons, but WB could of done better. :tomcat: :jerry:

[Martin Juneau]

I got this set today, and I must say, I'm quite disapointed. :( For a DVD, the quality of the cartoons is poor, even though on the back it says that they are remastered and restored. Nonetheless, it is fun watching the cartoons, but WB could of done better. :tomcat: :jerry:
Who's the same copy right to the previous DVD? :tomcat: :jerry:

Well, the only thing for this DVD's are featurettes and Jerry Beck's commentaries.

[Thad]

To be honest, people, what do you expect for a DVD that's less than $20?!

I bought it at Target today, and I am pleased with it. 37 out of the 40 cartoons are uncensored, and three of those are all new restored wide-screen prints (so yes, they look better than they did on laserdisc). Jerry Beck's commentaries on ZOOT CAT, KITTY FOILED, and HEAVENLY PUSS are fun to listen to, as well as the informative documentaries. "How Bill & Joe Met Tom & Jerry" is 27 minutes, and "Behind the Tunes" is 17 minutes.

Just to let everyone know, CN's copies of these cartoons ARE the remastered copies, they've been restored since 2000, and are NOT the same prints used on the Tom & Jerry laserdisc sets. For one, KITTY FOILED has DVNR (which it doesn't on the LD), and there's still that 'wobble' everytime there's a jumpcut on certain cartoons, which was NOT present on the laserdisc.

Since WB is going to make good on this (again, Jerry will have more info on this this week), go out and buy it. For $15.99, do you honestly expect a plethora of "Golden Collection" extras?


-Thad

[MF TOON]

Again, I'll be more than contempt and quick to overlook the short-sighted production on this one if Warner Bros. does decide to make good of the situation as you'd described but until it's officially confirmed (not that I doubt your sources), I can't justify a purchase.

[Duck Dodgers]

i understand your point,thad but i still want to wait jerry beck's explanations when he wil allow to say them...

[Jon Cooke]

To be honest, people, what do you expect for a DVD that's less than $20?!

I would have at least expected all the Academy Award winners/nominees the back of the box promised me (not many people have pointed that out...). :(

The "what do you expect for a DVD that's less than $20?!" argument would make sense if this was yet another bare bones family-friendly release (like HIJINKS & SHRIEKS or PAWS FOR A HOLIDAY or WHISKER'S AWAY)... but many people *were* expecting a bit more from this collection.

I kind of expected this DVD to be edited, the way they avoided all appearances of Mammy (including the historic "Puss Gets the Boot"!). I had a feeling somebody at WB Home Video would just grab the pre-edited DVD masters used for the foreign DVD releases and hope nobody would notice.

The folks at WB Home Video need to realize that most of the folks buying a DVD collection like this already *know* Tom and Jerry cartoons feature violent gags and some politically incorrect gags. If you are still worried, slap some disclaimers on there (a la Leonard Maltin on the Disney Treasures discs). Just don't throw stuff like this into stores and expect fans to be happy at the idea of going through the hassles of sending their discs in and waiting 3-to-6 weeks for the version that should have been available in the first place. (I do applaud WB for offering the fix, though... better than nothing, I suppose... we still need to wait for the "official" announcement, though...).

Here's hoping WB doesn't pull something like this again...


-Jon

[Jeff]

Again, I'll be more than contempt ...
Nice typo there ;)

[MF TOON]

haha, woops.


conten...conten...conte..con...uh.. satisfied. :ham:




Btw, Jon summed up my feelings towards all of this better than I could have possibly expressed myself!

[corey3rd]

from what I've figured out, All Seven of the Oscar winning Tom & Jerry cartoons are on the set:
1943"The Yankee Doodle Mouse" (javascript:remote('oscars_view.cfm?id=1','','scro llbars=no,width=440,height=235'))1944"Mouse Trouble" (javascript:remote('oscars_view.cfm?id=2','','scro llbars=no,width=440,height=235'))1945"Quiet Please" (javascript:remote('oscars_view.cfm?id=3','','scro llbars=no,width=440,height=235'))1946"The Cat Concerto" (javascript:remote('oscars_view.cfm?id=4','','scro llbars=no,width=440,height=235'))1949"The Little Orphan" (javascript:remote('oscars_view.cfm?id=5','','scro llbars=no,width=440,height=235'))1952"The Two Mouseketeers" (javascript:remote('oscars_view.cfm?id=6','','scro llbars=no,width=440,height=235'))1953"Johann Mouse"
Now the big problem is the follow up when they save "nine" nominated since I've only found six non-Oscar winning cartoons - thus it seems a copy writer at Warners played fast and loose with the numbers since the only Nominated cartoons on the batch are "Jerry's Cousin" and "Touché, Pussy Cat!"

Thus putting four nominated cartoons into the next batch ("Puss Gets the Boot," "The Night Before Christmas," "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Mouse" and "Hatch Up Your Troubles." Even if they included these four nominate cartoons, you'd still be short 3 nominated that don't exist. And it's not like all of these films featured Mammy.

Maybe in the end, they realized that had to give people a reason to pick up Vol. 2.

If you feel cheated by WHV, then call up their legal department and promise them a class action lawsuit. It worked against another studio.

[MF TOON]

Corey, wasn't "Mouse In Manhatten" also nominated and should be slated for release on the follow-up set?

[Thad]

Corey, wasn't "Mouse In Manhatten" also nominated and should be slated for release on the follow-up set?
It was never nominated (though it's one of the few T&J films that feels like they were thinking "THIS one is going to win an Oscar" while making it), but there's still a screen shot of it on the packaging.


-Thad

[MF TOON]

woops, don't know why I thought that. It certainly does feel like it was striving for the award with the extra attention to details and quality in deviating from the fast-paced familiar slapstick chase context of how a Tom & Jerry cartoon traditionally unravels..

Well, that's two-strikes for me so far in this thread. :}


One thing I don't get though, there's a screen shot from it on the actual packaging of the box-set, Thad?

Is it even featured in this first volume because I was under the impression that it wasn't...

[corey3rd]

Corey, wasn't "Mouse In Manhatten" also nominated and should be slated for release on the follow-up set?
Nope. 1945's winner was T&J's Quiet Please! - here is how it played out:

Best Short Subject, Cartoons

Winner:

Quiet Please! (1945) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038011/) - Fred Quimby (http://www.imdb.com/Name?Quimby,+Fred)
Other Nominees: Donald's Crime (1945) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0037657/) - Walt Disney (http://www.imdb.com/Name?Disney,+Walt)
Jasper and the Beanstalk (1945) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0037828/) - George Pal (http://www.imdb.com/Name?Pal,+George)
Life with Feathers (1945) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0037879/) - Edward Selzer (http://www.imdb.com/Name?Selzer,+Edward)
Mighty Mouse in Gypsy Life (1945) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0037912/) - Paul Terry (I) (http://www.imdb.com/Name?Terry,+Paul+(I))
Poet & Peasant, The (1945) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0037994/) - Walter Lantz (http://www.imdb.com/Name?Lantz,+Walter)
Rippling Romance (1945) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038028/) - Columbia

[grundle]

To be honest, people, what do you expect for a DVD that's less than $20?!
Regardless of price, I expect what is advertised. The DVD was advertised as being "uncut," and that's what it should be. What I don't expect is false advertising and fraud.

I have plenty of DVDs that I bought for less than $20 that were exactly as advertised. For example, I bought the 1991 film Drop Dead Fred for only $13, and it was complete and uncut, exactly as it should have been. Fans of Looney Tunes are suggested to check out this wonderful live action film!

Since WB is going to make good on this............ I will believe it when I see it.

They promised that the new Tom and Jerry DVD would by "uncut," but it's not.

Based on that, why should I trust them when they say that if I buy it and mail it in, they will replace it with a proper disc?

If they truly intend to release the correct disc, then they should have no problem with people like me who prefer to wait until the correct disc reaches stores. I am patient.

If you wish to buy it knowing that it's censored, and then eventually attempt to do the exchange by mail, that is your choice, and I respect that. I hope that you will respect the choise of people who prefer to wait until the corrected version reaches stores.

[Martin Juneau]

How also have a audio french and spanish track in the new Tom and Jerry DVD set? I search all day but i not find!! :eek: :rolleyes:

[Senbei Norimaki]

How also have a audio french and spanish track in the new Tom and Jerry DVD set? I search all day but i not find!! :eek: :rolleyes:
The DVD only has an English audio track. There are English, French & Spanish subtitles though.

[Martin Juneau]

The DVD only has an English audio track. There are English, French & Spanish subtitles though.
Zut! :(

Well, i have again RFO airing uncut Tom & Jerry cartoons with various quality

[Thad]

I just want to get it out in the open. I am NOT working for Warner Bros. and do not support their actions. :p

Censorship is WRONG, and advertising it as uncut was WRONG, and despite that they are going to replace the discs, it is still a poor decision. I'd have preferred waiting another 3 weeks for it to come out if it was to make it BETTER...

Fans have every right to complain, as this is an outrage what we have to do to get our cartoons uncut. I'm an optimist (for a change..), and I believe if the fans DO give enough of an outcry, idiots will be fired, and mistakes like this won't happen again.

It is still 'nice' the way it currently is, but wouldn't you rather have a 'perfect' collection instead?


-Thad

[corey3rd]

I just want to get it out in the open. I am NOT working for Warner Bros. and do not support their actions. :p

Censorship is WRONG, and advertising it as uncut was WRONG, and despite that they are going to replace the discs, it is still a poor decision. I'd have preferred waiting another 3 weeks for it to come out if it was to make it BETTER...


-Thad
Odds are that Warners did even know about the screw up until after all the disc were packaged and ready for shipment. What's the chance that the problem didn't even come to their attention until after early copies were reviewed. I seriously doubt that every step of the way they had an expert like Jerry Beck checking out what was going on the disc.

Case in point - MGM put out their Midnite Movies Double Feature DVDs. While the packaging on "Beach Blanket Bingo/How to Stuff A Wild Bikini" promised both films in letterboxed Cinemascope, but "Bikini" was pan and scan. I picked up the DVD two weeks after it was released, when I first called their customer complaint number, they hadn't heard of the problem. And after a couple weeks of dealing with them, they realized that they had screwed up royally. They are in the process of fixing the DVDs and replacing ones that were bought. We're not talking about a minor edit here - it doesn't take an Eastman House genius to see that the film is pan and scan - there's even the warning at the start of the film that it's been altered.

So as long as we keep on top of this and give Warner's toll-free complaint number a ring, they'll fix it. Or I'll call up a class action lawyer and we'll get real action.

[Greg Method]

The other thing i've noticed is on the spine of the DVD box there is no number to indicate if this will be part of a set - Flintstones season 1 has a 1 to indicate the first of a set , and wacky races has a 1 as this is the first set of a classic collection.My guess would be that unlike the DVDs of the television shows, the sets for the theatrical cartoons don't go in any order, so putting a number on the side wouldn't really be necessary. Otherwise you'd get people in stores saying "Hey, this Looney Tunes DVD has a '1' on it! This must have the first sixty cartoons ever" or something.

It's probably done just to diffuse the idea that they're going chronologically.

[Zork]

The 'Little Orphan' screen frame capture is interesting. I have an old tape of this T&J that is 'uncut'. It has the full footage but the headdress Tom is wearing appears to have been modified. The frame is different on my tape and the feathers are left more or less intact. Anyone know about this?

[Duck Dodgers]

thad,


how us overseas can have the replacement disc?

would you think i'll have to wait much time to be able to order a version from amazon with the replacement disc included ?

[Scaramanga]

To be honest, people, what do you expect for a DVD that's less than $20?!

For $15.99, do you honestly expect a plethora of "Golden Collection" extras?

Let's see ... I payed little over 35$ for the LT Golden collection which had 4 discs. Now I payed a little less then 17$ for the T& J Spotlight Collection for 2 discs.

So in the LT GC I payed 8,75 per disc, in the T&J SC I payed 8,5 per disc.
I fail to see how the lower price could explain for a lack of quality ? Had it been 17$ for 4 discs then you'd have had a point, but now you don't IMO. Because in comparison the prices are the same for each set.

[decentdave]

Some good news at last

There is a full explanation of the way the DVD's were brought out on Mr Beck's cartoonresearch forum by the man himself. It looks like it was a genuine mistake and there will be a replacement of disc 1 with fully uncut films on it available to everyone soon. :)

There is also an explanation by Mr Beck about the quality of the DVD transfers and why they do not apear to be as good as the LTGC.:)

The only outstanding question as far as i am concerned is will the import company i used to get this set ( i've just email them to get their response) take it back as it has been opened and played or will warners replace my disc at their expense.

This whole sorry episode has overshadowed an otherwise good DVD release and the excellant Wacky Races DVD.

[Thad]

Here is what Jerry had to say exactly:



Warner Bros. Home Video is very, very upset over the edited cartoons that made their way into the TOM & JERRY SPOTLIGHT COLLECTION.

This was a mistake made at the servicing level. Warner Home Video and I became aware of the error only ten days before the official release date - and by then, the dvds were on their way to the stores.

It is part of Warner Bros. Home Video's marketing plan not to release edited or censored cartoons because they know that collectors want them complete.

The company is taking immediate steps to correct the situation. The proper digital masters of all three cartoons have been located and are being prepared now for replication. It may take as long as six to eight weeks to have a corrected disc ready for replacement.

From what I’ve been able to gather, the intention is for fans to be able to replace Disc 1 at no charge to them. I know from personal experience that Warners had a problem a year ago with the film KISS ME KATE. The transfer was not done correctly and fans were upset. Warners responded immediately, created a new transfer and eventually fans recieved replacement discs. It was not an overnight process. But it all worked out in the end.

Those of you waiting for the uncut disc 1 to appear on store shelves, I cannot say when that will happen. It will not happen soon. The quickest way to get the set the way you want it is to buy it now and go through the replacement process.

-Thad

[MF TOON]

Well I was one of the first in this thread to criticize Warners over the cuts, but after reading Jerry's statements over at Cartoon Research, I feel I should post what I had on his messageboard as well...

Mistakes are not above us, these things do happen from time to time and the fact the Warners is doing all that they can to correct the situation and accomodate us more than makes up for the production oversights. It might be a bit of an inconvenience, but it's better than having censored prints to watch and the fact that Warners feels so strongly about the issue bodes very well for us animation fans with future releases. It also shows just how far they are willing to go for their consumers which is honestly much more than we can say for most of the major studios these days. Who else has been delivering such consistent product and been as devoted in the realm of classic animation? What other studio holds so much signifigance over customer satisfaction and takes our criticisms to heart? I really see no valid reason for complaints given what we now know. I'm sure this is just as disadvantageous for WB and will ensure that the company puts forth an extra effort toward efficiency with upcoming titles in order to avoid similair reoccurances. Once the discs are corrected and exchanged, we will have exactly what we were promised. The cleanest uncut available prints that could possibly be obtained, presented in their original theatrical aspect ration in chronological order for what's been delivered in each volume, and packed with a plethora of great supplemental features including commentary tracks by our very own Jerry Beck, some wonderful documentaries on Bill Hanna and Joe Barbera (the first of which I'm sure any of us have ever seen), along with art galleries and pencil tests, etc. An excellent value for a relatively low cost and rather than criticizing and condemning Warner Bros. for their unfortunate shortsighted production error which they are working hard to amend, we should all be sending emails and putting in phone calls letting them know just how me we animation fans appreciate their dedication to deliver us what we ultimately want which is uncut and remastered prints of these great films which to date, no other studio has put forth even a fraction of the effort to match! I'm now very much looking forward to picking up this set and I want to thank Jerry Beck for all the hard work that he's put in as well in supporting all of us!!!


I'll be picking up my copy of the set this afternoon!

:tomcat: :jerry:

[Bugsmer]

Knowing this, it may well be worth the wait to see this come out in stores. Nevertheless, don't they have somebody to look at this DVD set before it gets sent out?

[Billy]

The 'Little Orphan' screen frame capture is interesting. I have an old tape of this T&J that is 'uncut'. It has the full footage but the headdress Tom is wearing appears to have been modified. The frame is different on my tape and the feathers are left more or less intact. Anyone know about this?According to the Censored Cartoons page that headdress was reanimated onto the original footage when CBS showed it, to make the scene look less like a blackface by covering up the hair.
I've got that version too...but the original version is available on the uncut version of the clipshow 'Life with Tom'.

As for the DVD...yeah, it's stupid that it's edited, but at least WB are letting people get an uncut version too. Thing is, I hope they do it overseas too for people like me...

[Martin Juneau]

That's a copy from Tom and Jerry Online (http://www.tomandjerryonline.com) about the cartoon "Touché, Pussycat!" was edited:

I will be biting the hands that feed me on this. I am not a happy camper! I watched, for the first time in my life, the letterbox version (original version) of Touche' Pussycat. To my horror it was EDITED!!!! In the original version Nibbles/Tuffy is painting a goofy looking Tom on the wall he is singing "Frere Jacque". In version on the DVD it is cut! Gone! Nibbles/Tuffy is NOT singing the song! The only semblence of it's prior existence in the film is that the melody is there...no singing. My question is WHY! Why was it cut?!? Please someone explain this to me. Did I get a bad DVD? Or was it intentionally cut? Why was it cut from it's original Oscar Winning Version!!!!!!!! What is wrong with these lyrics:

Frere Jacque, frere Jacque
Dormez-vous, dormez-vous ?
Sonnez les matines, sonnes les matines
Din, dan, don
Din, dan, don

[Duck Dodgers]

Just to let everyone know, CN's copies of these cartoons ARE the remastered copies, they've been restored since 2000, and are NOT the same prints used on the Tom & Jerry laserdisc sets. For one, KITTY FOILED has DVNR (which it doesn't on the LD), and there's still that 'wobble' everytime there's a jumpcut on certain cartoons, which was NOT present on the laserdisc. Since WB is going to make good on this (again, Jerry will have more info on this this week), go out and buy it. For $15.99, do you honestly expect a plethora of "Golden Collection" extras? -Thad

par'me,CN stays for....?

[Sean Gaffney]

I wonder if the Touche, Pussy Cat problem is because they used the Widescreen version rather than the fullscreen. Were there actual differences in content between the two?

[Scaramanga]

As far as Touché Pussy Cat goes: it's normal that the lyrics by Nibbles / Tuffy / that little grey mouse on Frere Jacques are missing. That's because it's the one and only cartoon that has a stereo soundtrack. Somehow it seems that way back in the 50's when the stero soundtrack for the short was composited someone forgot to add those lines. Stereo wasn't common back then, so of course a mono soundtrack for the short was also prepared (or was it done first ?) anyway, they did add the dialogue in that one.

So there's nothing wrong with the dialogue or soundtrack in Touche Pussy Cat, that's just the way the stereo soundtrack is ...

To answer another question: the full screen version of the short is a horrid pan & scan version. To be avoided at all cost.

[Matthew Hunter]

I think it sucks that the set is edited, but I don't mind it if they're offering a mail-in replacement. I know Jerry Beck had nothing to do with the cuts. I do expect to have the mail-in offer honored if I buy the set, though, and I should hope that they'll make it very well-known that they're doing it, so that every buyer of the set has the option. The more people that send it back, the more Warner Home Video will realize that they can't pull this move and expect people to tolerate it. The worst thing we as fans and historians can do is to NOT send it back. Sure, these seem like pretty minor edits...but they're still edits and they're still deliberate censorship. They should save the edits for the little 7-cartoon fluff collections they release of Tom and Jerry, and not a collector's set.
-Matthew

[Duck Dodgers]

jerry beck said that the process of replacing the disc would take even two months(he said 6 to 8 weeks)and probably more time to wait to have the uncut set be available in stores!!


i think i'll wait january to order the set and probably i'll be able for that time,here in italy,to order a direct uncut set!

[janiepooh34]

Aside from the obvious edits, has anyone else had problems with their dvds? I am not hearing the commentary on Kitty Foiled. Commentary works on Zoot Cat and Heavenly Puss just fine so I know that it is not me being in the wrong menu.

[MF TOON]

jerry beck said that the process of replacing the disc would take even two months(he said 6 to 8 weeks)and probably more time to wait to have the uncut set be available in stores!!


i think i'll wait january to order the set and probably i'll be able for that time,here in italy,to order a direct uncut set!
Where's this? Has WB came forth with any definitive information or instructions on how to go about replacing the censored discs?

[lorentz.dl]

As far as Touché Pussy Cat goes: it's normal that the lyrics by Nibbles / Tuffy / that little grey mouse on Frere Jacques are missing. That's because it's the one and only cartoon that has a stereo soundtrack. Somehow it seems that way back in the 50's when the stero soundtrack for the short was composited someone forgot to add those lines. Stereo wasn't common back then, so of course a mono soundtrack for the short was also prepared (or was it done first ?) anyway, they did add the dialogue in that one.

So there's nothing wrong with the dialogue or soundtrack in Touche Pussy Cat, that's just the way the stereo soundtrack is ...

To answer another question: the full screen version of the short is a horrid pan & scan version. To be avoided at all cost.

Years ago the BBC in the UK used to show Touché Pussy Cat and another Tom and Jerry short Pet Peeve in fullscreen and they were not pan and scan prnits.. I have these versions on VHS and they are not the fullscreen pan and scan versions that appear on the Tom and Jerry Classic Collection discs that are available in Europe that are truely awful.. this makes me think that these two shorts exist in three different versions ; widescreen, pan and scan and fullscreen.. can someone confirm please??? The VHS versions of Tom and Jerry Cartoon festival released in the late 1980's in the UK were also uncut and without the horrendous dubbing of Mammy's voice.. I have taken the audio from these cartoons and put them on these new dvd releases where it was possible.. It seems that they have used the same masters for the Spotlight Collection dvd.. On the plus side we have unedited versions of Casanova Cat and His Mouse Friday in the Classic Collection set but we are missing Million Dollar Cat and Busy Buddies.. :tomcat: :jerry: :twoshoes:

[Sean Gaffney]

Aside from the obvious edits, has anyone else had problems with their dvds? I am not hearing the commentary on Kitty Foiled. Commentary works on Zoot Cat and Heavenly Puss just fine so I know that it is not me being in the wrong menu.

Kitty Foiled has a commentary on my copy. In fact, Jerry says it's his favorite Tom and Jerry.

[rodney]

Let's not forget that they could pull a Spumco and just tell us that the edits aren't their fault. I for one am grateful that they made another decision.

[cabe624]

Well, it really sucks that I might have to wait 6-8 weeks for a replacement. However, I'm glad that WB is going to do it at all.

[MF TOON]

Oh I know, I post on his forum as Am01ne... I was referring to the 6-8 week wait thing for the disc replacement.

[Duck Dodgers]

Oh I know, I post on his forum as Am01ne... I was referring to the 6-8 week wait thing for the disc replacement.

read more carefully:

jerry beck:


^It may take as long as six to eight weeks to have a corrected disc ready for replacement.^

and that's what he says about finding the uncut disc in stores:

^Those of you waiting for the uncut disc 1 to appear on store shelves, I cannot say when that will happen. It will not happen soon.^

[Daffysleftfoot]

This was a mistake made at the servicing level. Warner Home Video and I became aware of the error only ten days before the official release date - and by then, the dvds were on their way to the stores.
So THAT'S how these censor-monkeys work. They don't just lobby up & down demanding the removal of controversial material, they sneak in and do it themselves. Much the same way boss Jim W. Getties screwed over Charles Foster Kane in the election.

That's dethhhhhhhhpicable! :daffy:

[Geezil]

So THAT'S how these censor-monkeys work. They don't just lobby up & down demanding the removal of controversial material, they sneak in and do it themselves.
Not to beat this point senseless yet again, but do you really think inflammatory comments like that, aimed at the folks in the supply chain, will help us get more of the pristine boxed sets we want in the future? Chill out, please!

[Dan Porceddu]

I can't find the set at any of the regular stores (Target, Costco, Wal-Mart, I even checked Barnes & Noble :p) in my area. I'm not in any rush to get it, seeing as it's edited, so I guess it's no big deal. Now, the second LT Golden Collection... that had BETTER be available here when it's released! :p :bugs2:


-Dan

[Buttmunker]

Yeah, same with me. You'd figure New York would be the best place, but I never find any Tom and Jerry's upon being newly released (it took me to ordering Greatest Chases online).

[cabe624]

I can't find the set at any of the regular stores (Target, Costco, Wal-Mart, I even checked Barnes & Noble :p) in my area.
-Dan
I found my copy at Best Buy. I had some trouble locating it in the store, however, because some numbskull had stocked it in the Horror section! :confused:

[ohmahaaha]

I found my copy at Best Buy. I had some trouble locating it in the store, however, because some numbskull had stocked it in the Horror section! :confused:
Probably the only Tom & Jerry cartoon the stocking person had seen was "The Two Mousketeers," you know how that ends - pretty much horrific! :tweety:

[Buttmunker]

Someone should start a thread called Favorite Tom & Jerry Shorts - shown by pictures. I'd do it, but for some reason I can't start new threads:(

Like so:

http://www.cartoonnetwork.co.jp/tomjerry/images/hb_img.gif

[Lee Glover]

I received my copy through the post today. Had a quick glance at the cartoons, and I've spotted the edits on disc 1 (man, that is disappointing). Like I said before, I don't think Warner will allow overseas customers to exchange their discs, so I guess I'm stuck with it. :(

But I'm really impressed with the three cinemascope cartoons. It's great that we now have the chance to see them as intended, and the picture and sound quality is top notch. The extras do seem very interesting. Despite the edits and the near-absence of Mammy, it is a fine DVD set. ;)

[decentdave]

I received my copy through the post today. Had a quick glance at the cartoons, and I've spotted the edits on disc 1 (man, that is disappointing). Like I said before, I don't think Warner will allow overseas customers to exchange their discs, so I guess I'm stuck with it. :(

But I'm really impressed with the three cinemascope cartoons. It's great that we now have the chance to see them as intended, and the picture and sound quality is top notch. The extras do seem very interesting. Despite the edits and the near-absence of Mammy, it is a fine DVD set. ;)
I got my set through loaded247 and they have said they will take it back if i'm not happy with the set due to the edit's. I agree with you when you say you don't think WBHV will not do an exchange for overseas customers. I'm not sure what i'm going to do at the moment cos when it becomes available uncut i'm sure i'll buy the set again.

[Buttmunker]

Well, I just bought mine at Coconuts ($22.), so I eagerly await to hear about the Exchange Program.

[Buttmunker]

Did anyone else notice that some shorts are louder than others?

[dsross]

Any news regarding the exchange program for the censored DVD?

Thanks.

[Eddie Estes]

What does the servicing level in this case consist of and how could
they affect these changes?

[travis t]

^Those of you waiting for the uncut disc 1 to appear on store shelves, I cannot say when that will happen. It will not happen soon.^[/QUOTE]



Think it will be in stores by the time I get back from the deployment I'm going which I should be back in May or so.

[Cdawg]

I emailed Warner home video at whvcustserv@emsi.echomail.com to ask if there was any news yet about the problem with the 3 edited cartoons, but I haven't heard anything back yet. Maybe more people should contact them. The mailing address is:

Time Warner Order Center/WHV
P.O. Box 30620
Tampa, FL 33630-0620

[SatStorm]

http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0006PPUPE/qid=1105452231/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_11_1/028-8834218-4982127


I need infos regarding this realease! Please, inform us!

[Hippety Hopper]

At a guess I'd say they are the same DVD's that were released in the UK last year. But that would only mean 10 disc's (if their single sided) so I don't know.