Jeeper's Creeper's Screenshot question

[looneymaniac]

Does anyone have the Looney Tunes cartoon Jeeper's Creeper's? If so could you please send pictures of it?

[dandu]

I do I will post some soon...

[Marty26]

Veering a little off topic, I've noticed that even though most of the musical note intros for the computer colorized Looney Tunes shorts (1936-1942) use a green background, the intro for the computer colorized Jeepers Creepers uses a red background. Was this ever corrected or did the people responsible for the computer colorization of this cartoon simply feel it would look neat?

[dandu]

That also happened to Porky's Poppa, and some use blue as well as purple, but the redrawn of Jeepers Creepers has a solid blue background then the "Featuring Porky" title has a green musical note background, go figure!

Jeepers Creepers (Redrawn)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi0NFrcmBmo

Ali Baba Bound (Redrawn) (Looneymaniac asked for this a few months ago)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsE-qe1v_9U

[Marty26]

That also happened to Porky's Poppa, and some use blue as well as purple, but the redrawn of Jeepers Creepers has a solid blue background then the "Featuring Porky" title has a green musical note background, go figure!

Jeepers Creepers (Redrawn)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi0NFrcmBmo

Ali Baba Bound (Redrawn) (Looneymaniac asked for this a few months ago)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsE-qe1v_9U

Those have to be some of the worst looking redrawns I've ever seen. What on Earth was up with that Looney Tunes opening for Ali Baba Bound?

[dandu]

I think that was for home movie distributors, so that they can release copyrighted redrawns under black and white pd titles...they replaced the seven arts titles with rings so that no one will be any the wiser....

[Marty26]

I think that was for home movie distributors, so that they can release copyrighted redrawns under black and white pd titles...they replaced the seven arts titles with rings so that no one will be any the wiser....

Yeah, that's not at all obvious. :rolleyes: That yellow ghost in Jeepers Creepers and transparent Brown Turbin in Ali Baba Bound were also brilliant moves on the part of the animators. :rolleyes:

Anyway, does anybody here also have the redrawn Get Rich Quick Porky? If so, could you post it on Youtube (it's in the public domain, now)? I've heard that's supposed to be among the absolute worst of the redrawns and am curious to see how bad it really is. Ditto to The Village Smithy (which, unfortunately, is not in the public domain).

[dandu]

I am going to post it later on, my copy has a frozen opening but a seven arts ending and it isnt the worst, A Coy Decoy is the worst I have ever seen really bad animation, daffy with a pink neck! eww! and the title card with the moving duck was badly rendered too!

[Studio Toledo]

I think that was for home movie distributors, so that they can release copyrighted redrawns under black and white pd titles...they replaced the seven arts titles with rings so that no one will be any the wiser....
I remember seeing that done on Super-8mm films as well for a few of those.

[Marty26]

I am going to post it later on, my copy has a frozen opening but a seven arts ending and it isnt the worst, A Coy Decoy is the worst I have ever seen really bad animation, daffy with a pink neck! eww! and the title card with the moving duck was badly rendered too!

Heh, could you upload that one too, then? I know several of the redrawn Daffy cartoons (such as the redrawn Daffy's Southern Exposure) had him painted brown, but I wonder if there's ever been a redrawn cartoon where Daffy was green or blue or, even worse, white.

By the way, veering a little off topic, didn't one of the computer colorized 1939 Porky shorts incorrectly use the 1936-1937 Looney Tunes theme music? I know several computer colorized 1941-1942 shorts (such as The Henpecked Duck, Porky's Midnight Matinee - which actually spawned one of the better looking redrawns IMO, and Notes To You) did. But what was the 1939 short that incorrectly used it (despite using the correct Porky In Drum ending)? All I know is that it was a Bob Clampett short.

[dandu]

Guild films clipped the soundtrack off of the black and white looney tunes during the 1950s when it came to remastering in the early 1990s, there was some incompetance...
I have a question do you guys have a complete redrawn copy of Daffy's Southren Exposure, since I have 2 minutes missing off the beginning for some reason...

[Marty26]

Guild films clipped the soundtrack off of the black and white looney tunes during the 1950s when it came to remastering in the early 1990s, there was some incompetance...


Understood. I'm just wondering why it was mostly with the 1941-1942 shorts that this happened. And again, what was that 1939 short that also fell victim to this mix-up?

[Matthew Hunter]

WOW those suck. Thanks for giving me tonight's nightmare a little early!

[Leviathan]

Jeepers Creepers is now at the top of my list of "Shorts that I would like to see on the fifth Golden Collection, but undoubtedly won't be".

Why?

-The Ending (which is sadly cut here)
-It's a Bob Clampett cartoon
-It's been redrawn
-It's a Looney Tune (as opposed to a Merrie Melodie) that's based around and named after a contemporary song)
-The Ghost kinda sounds like Barney Rubble (and kinda like Pinto Colvig as well)

[dandu]

Here are some more requests:

Get Rich Quick Porky (Redrawn)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CN6l0m-APE

A Coy Decoy (Redrawn)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MINZ537a788

And just for fun:

The Timid Toreador (Redrawn)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xCNwnlxEoA
The Henpecked Duck (Redrawn)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11rHRclU-vQ

[Marty26]

Here are some more requests:

Get Rich Quick Porky (Redrawn)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CN6l0m-APE

A Coy Decoy (Redrawn)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MINZ537a788

And just for fun:

The Timid Toreador (Redrawn)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xCNwnlxEoA
The Henpecked Duck (Redrawn)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11rHRclU-vQ

Thanks for posting those. First of all, I must say that one of my pet peeves is the way a lot of PD tapes (and even some non-PD tapes, including the Golden Collections) either manually speed up or slow down these cartoons so as to fill a certain runtime. The Timid Toreador, in particular, is horribly slowed down here.

Anyway, IMO, the Timid Toreador and The Henpecked Duck were probably the worst of those redrawns. The former had an entirely frozen opening scene (!), bad color choices, and a horribly faded look. While the latter had almost no colors to speak of, and even replaced the backgrounds with an awful yellow and white blur during close-up shots.

Meanwhile, A Coy Decoy had choppy and sometimes poorly syncronized animation (was it originally like this or is the video playback just messed up?). While the redrawn Get Rich Quick Porky had some rather odd color choices, such as the weasel being given a blood red color and the dog being painted blue (with his color scheme darkening as the cartoon goes on).

And, of course, all these cartoons had the wrong openings, and two had the wrong closings. The Timid Toreador's, in particular, was really strange.

[dandu]

A Coy Decoy was really like that, it was really bad, and for the Timid Toreador, the slow down wasn't as noticable to me as Get Rich Quick Porky, I fixed up the sound in the wave player and Timid Toreador took only 5 notches whearas Get Rich Quick took 10 notches to sound normal...

[Do-Do]

Thanks for posting those. First of all, I must say that one of my pet peeves is the way a lot of PD tapes (and even some non-PD tapes, including the Golden Collections) either manually speed up or slow down these cartoons so as to fill a certain runtime. The Timid Toreador, in particular, is horribly slowed down here.


I'm almost certain that the speed changes were unintentional. It only makes a few seconds difference either way, so it wouldn't be worth the effort to deliberatly manipulate the speed.

[Studio Toledo]

A Coy Decoy was really like that, it was really bad, and for the Timid Toreador, the slow down wasn't as noticable to me as Get Rich Quick Porky, I fixed up the sound in the wave player and Timid Toreador took only 5 notches whearas Get Rich Quick took 10 notches to sound normal...
It was great seeing how bad these are. I only wish they had the W7 Opening/Cllosing bits I remember too well seeing off a UHF station in town 25 years ago, or the other ones with the Warner Communications bit after "That's All Folks!" (that part gets frozed before the logo shows up on the later airings but back when TV stations bothered handling 16mm prints it was seen anyway).

Also of note, the misspelling in A Coy Decoy for a book entitled "THE WOLE OF WALL STREET". Really, it was that bad! :D

[Marty26]

It was great seeing how bad these are. I only wish they had the W7 Opening/Cllosing bits I remember too well seeing off a UHF station in town 25 years ago, or the other ones with the Warner Communications bit after "That's All Folks!" (that part gets frozed before the logo shows up on the later airings but back when TV stations bothered handling 16mm prints it was seen anyway).

Also of note, the misspelling in A Coy Decoy for a book entitled "THE WOLE OF WALL STREET". Really, it was that bad! :D

I noticed that too!

And in response to Do-Do's comment, why didn't the producers of these tapes simply take note of these playback problems and fix them? Are they THAT careless?

I used to have a Public Domain Heckle and Jeckle VHS tape. It featured The Talking Magpies and three other shorts (Dick Whittington's Cat - which was mistakenly titled "Dick Whittington's Crazy Cat" on the box, Yankee Doodle Donkey, and WB's own Rookie Revue). The several of the cartoons were played back at a slower speed than normal and the picture quality was horrible (basically, the cartoons looked like redrawns - and may very well have been). The tape was accidentally recorded over, and I purchased a new one. Lo and behold, the new copy (despite being the same tape with the same cartoons) had a much better picture quality and the cartoons that were played back at the wrong speed on my original copy were now played back at the correct speed. But in return, the cartoons that were played back at the correct speed on my original copy were now played back at a faster speed than normal. Goes to show you not all Public Domain VHSs are created equal.

[Studio Toledo]

I noticed that too!
I don't think there was any REAL communication that were in place to allow for a better supervising or correction of said problems, especially in an era when things we take for granted like FedEx and DHL didn't exist (let alone anything beyond the telephone for expensive long-distance assistance), or to hire someone of competency to go over there and check over the work to make sure said mistakes could be corrected before everything is shipped back. Of course these types of remedies would later come to be implimented into the work we see today (also the internet has probably helped in getting these things in proper order as well), but none of that ever came to anyone's mind at the time as it wasn't feasible or thought to be possible.

I used to have a Public Domain Heckle and Jeckle VHS tape. It featured The Talking Magpies and three other shorts (Dick Whittington's Cat - which was mistakenly titled "Dick Whittington's Crazy Cat" on the box, Yankee Doodle Donkey, and WB's own Rookie Revue). The several of the cartoons were played back at a slower speed than normal and the picture quality was horrible (basically, the cartoons looked like redrawns - and may very well have been). The tape was accidentally recorded over, and I purchased a new one. Lo and behold, the new copy (despite being the same tape with the same cartoons) had a much better picture quality and the cartoons that were played back at the wrong speed on my original copy were now played back at the correct speed. But in return, the cartoons that were played back at the correct speed on my original copy were now played back at a faster speed than normal. Goes to show you not all Public Domain VHSs are created equal.
I can never explain the slower speed bit myself, but often I wonder if that was the case of some company that felt they needed to stretch the running time out so they could fit three cartoons on a 30 minute cassette or what-not. It's like the reverse of the time compressed fastness we've seen done on TV today. Often times on these PD releases I can see the same master of a cartoon used by different companies, and note those oddities with the way they look depending on telecine/print quality, or the odd editing choices like the oddly generic 'The End" you've seen on some of these. There's not a real answer and really it's more these companies don't really care a bit as long as they have something to stick on a tape or disc and be happy with whatever profits they might make out of a general sale at any outlet that might carry their product.

[Marty26]

One cartoon I'm still dying to see is Porky's Double Trouble. I don't care if it's a redrawn, the black and white original, or computer colorized. I just want to see it. WITH THE CORRECT OPENING/CLOSING.

[dandu]

I can download the black and white version and post it, but I myself would like to see a redrawn of that as well as a redrawn of "The Case of the Stuttering Pig" and "Fish Tales"...

[Marty26]

I can download the black and white version and post it, but I myself would like to see a redrawn of that as well as a redrawn of "The Case of the Stuttering Pig" and "Fish Tales"...

That's fine. I actually remember seeing the redrawn COTSP when Looney Tunes was still on Nickelodeon. I don't really remember it very well, but I'm pretty sure it was just as rubbish as most of the other redrawns.

[dandu]

http://cgi.ebay.com/6-Warner-Brothers-Cels-1960s-Porky-Pig-Daffy-Duck_W0QQitemZ150063068055QQihZ005QQcategoryZ1532Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Looking at this auction, Daffy's body in one cartoon was colored brown and had a yellow neck! I wonder what cartoons these cels are from...Can you especially identify the third picture by the way, it looks like its from a betty boop cartoon...

[Greg Method]

I wonder what cartoons these cels are from...
Well, the colorized Porky and Daffy one looks like it's from "Porky Pig's Feat."

[Marty26]

http://cgi.ebay.com/6-Warner-Brothers-Cels-1960s-Porky-Pig-Daffy-Duck_W0QQitemZ150063068055QQihZ005QQcategoryZ1532Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Looking at this auction, Daffy's body in one cartoon was colored brown and had a yellow neck! I wonder what cartoons these cels are from...Can you especially identify the third picture by the way, it looks like its from a betty boop cartoon...

Another oddity I've noticed about a lot of redrawns is that the characters all have this thick black outline. Just another reason why the redrawns should be buried somewhere in the middle of the Sahara Desert.

[J Lee]

One cartoon I'm still dying to see is Porky's Double Trouble. I don't care if it's a redrawn, the black and white original, or computer colorized. I just want to see it. WITH THE CORRECT OPENING/CLOSING.

"Porky's Double Trouble" was one of the B&W Looney Tunes that was never redrawn in Korea. Only the B&W version and the 1995 computer colorized versions exist (the opening on the B&W has Stalling's 1937 Version 2 of "The Merry-Go-Round-Broke-Down", but in the prints I've seen, it's clipped, so if Warners wants to restore it correctly, they'll have to borrow the theme from one of the two Clampett Porkys that also used it).

[Marty26]

"Porky's Double Trouble" was one of the B&W Looney Tunes that was never redrawn in Korea. Only the B&W version and the 1995 computer colorized versions exist (the opening on the B&W has Stalling's 1937 Version 2 of "The Merry-Go-Round-Broke-Down", but in the prints I've seen, it's clipped, so if Warners wants to restore it correctly, they'll have to borrow the theme from one of the two Clampett Porkys that also used it).

I guess that's why, in the late-80s/early-90s, it was one of only a handful of Porky cartoons that was aired in its original black and white form rather than redrawn the way all their other Porky shorts were. Interestingly enough, Wise Quacks aired strictly in black and white until it was finally computer colorized in 1995. Considering the fact that in this cartoon Daffy was given a mask around his eyes, I can imagine the redrawn (if it exists) must look absolutely hideous.

[Studio Toledo]

Another oddity I've noticed about a lot of redrawns is that the characters all have this thick black outline. Just another reason why the redrawns should be buried somewhere in the middle of the Sahara Desert.
These cels should've been burned immediately after production, but apparently someone didn't bother, and have since crept into the animation collective in the later decades.

And because the auction just ENDED right now, someone out there'll have to shill out $54.27 for this crap!

Sorry if I'm in a bad mood right now, I spent endless hours watching lame Korean animated knock-offs on YouTube and it's raining outside. Perhaps I'll feel better after work. ;)

[dandu]

I have a question does anyone remember the Daffy Doc's title card, redrawn? Did the ambulance move or was it all motionless? I would like to see either screens or video of this, thank you...

[Marty26]

I have a question does anyone remember the Daffy Doc's title card, redrawn? Did the ambulance move or was it all motionless? I would like to see either screens or video of this, thank you...

I don't have any screenshots, but I remember that the ambulence did move. Of course, whether its wheels actually rotated or it just "glided," I don't know. I remember the redrawn also incorrectly using the 1937-1938 Porky Facing Left Looney Tunes card. Despite still using the 1937-1938 Merry-Go-Round Broke Down theme (version 1), the cartoons from I think Porky In Wackyland through that particular cartoon used the Porky Facing Right Looney Tunes card.

One thing about the redrawn that I never understood is the way the almost-final scene (where both Porky and Daffy get their heads stuck in that oxygen tank) was cut out. So it just showed Porky and Daffy running into a room and then abruptly cut to their bodies and heads alternately inflating/deflating.

[Do-Do]

The Daffy Doc title card was fully animated in the redrawn version. I used to see it all the time on Nickelodeon as a kid, and now seeing the uncut version just seems weird.

[absolutpaul]

The redrawn Patient Porky has a similar title set-up, only the ambulance is not moving. I don't know if it did or not in the original.

[dandu]

Is Fish Tales the least annoying redrawn ever made? Can someone post it on youtube, I would love to see it, I remember seeing it as a kid and unlike the redrawn popeyes I never found anything "fishy" about it...

[dandu]

The redrawn Patient Porky has a similar title set-up, only the ambulance is not moving. I don't know if it did or not in the original.

I looked at the original and it is static like in the redrawn.