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What do you think are the rarest Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies out there? Give me your top N list...
Regards,
Jeff
"Africa Squeaks"
"Meet John Doughboy"
"Injun Trouble" (1969 version :coolcat: )
"Daffy Duck And Porky Pig Meet The Groovie Goolies"
"Little Go Beep"
Javeman
08-12-2004, 03:40 PM
"The Door" ranks as one of the rarest WB toons ever. I find it hard to believe it even exists!
"The Door" ranks as one of the rarest WB toons ever. I find it hard to believe it even exists!
That is cool (just looked it up on The Big Cartoon Database).
The rarest WB cartoons ever? The only three I have no way of getting for now are...
"The Phantom Ship" - UNCUT
"Porky the Wrestler" - UNCUT
"Porky the Fireman" - UNCUT
-Thad
Thad, care to elucidate on what scenes are missing from the copies of those cartoons circulating around on the Collector circuit? I don't have Porky the Fireman but I have copies of the other two.
I really don't know what's missing from any of them, except that they are missing something (abrupt cut in soundtrack, short running time).
-Thad
Peter Melnick
08-12-2004, 05:54 PM
Definetly "Injun Trouble" (1969). I'd love to get my hands on a copy of that short...
- Peter Melnick
Pietro
08-12-2004, 06:27 PM
I really don't know what's missing from any of them, except that they are missing something (abrupt cut in soundtrack, short running time).
I remember reading someplace that the gag excised from "Fireman" was Jolson impersonation.
Snafu's "Secrets of the Caribbean" is pretty rare - Jerry Beck claims the Library of Congress has a copy, however I've searched their online records and I haven't found anything.
-Pietro:daffy:
Matthew Hunter
08-12-2004, 06:28 PM
"The Door" ranks as one of the rarest WB toons ever. I find it hard to believe it even exists!
It's one of the few I think should STAY that way! You're not missing much! :ysam:
-Matthew :beepbeep:
Pietro
08-12-2004, 06:29 PM
"Meet John Doughboy"
I wouldn't say so - CN has aired that a few years ago (twice, if I remember correctly, once on "Late Night Black and White" and then on "The Bob Clampett Show")
-Pietro:daffy:
Philo & Gunge
08-12-2004, 06:48 PM
Africa Squeaks
Norman Normal
The Door
Injun Trouble (:coolcat: )
Philbert (Three's A Crowd)
Little Go Beep
Father Of The Bird
Boom Boom
All the Doyle LT's except Whizzard Of Ow
Pietro
08-12-2004, 07:02 PM
Boom Boom
CN has aired that one a handful of times back in the old days and it has appeared on several public domain compilations to boot.
-Pietro:daffy:
Philo & Gunge
08-12-2004, 07:10 PM
CN has aired that one a handful of times back in the old days and it has appeared on several public domain compilations to boot.
-Pietro:daffy:Yeah, but not many people taped it and all those PB videos are out of print.
Billy Joel Fan
08-12-2004, 07:12 PM
Norman Normal
The Bosko Shorts
goofy Geer
and the buddy shorts are on my list of rarest shorts
Sean Gaffney
08-12-2004, 07:14 PM
Norman Normal
The Bosko Shorts
goofy Geer
and the buddy shorts are on my list of rarest shorts
Heh. Having watched the Nickelodean years incessantly while they were on, I can never think of the Bosko and Buddy cartoons as rare. Why, we saw them all the time! I saw Buddy the Woodsman so often I almost have it memorized, which is a shame, as it's... well, a Buddy cartoon. :buddy:
Cartman
08-12-2004, 07:28 PM
My picks:
NORMAN NORMAL
THE DOOR
AFRICA SQUEAKS
INJUN TROUBLE :coolcat:
Ray Pointer
02-04-2005, 03:15 AM
"All This and Rabbitt Stew" with the "Negro stereotype" hunter is on the rare list.:bugs2:
wundermild
02-04-2005, 03:56 PM
"All This and Rabbit Stew" with the "Negro stereotype" hunter is on the rare list.I wouldn't call this one particularly rare. In fact, it's quite commonly found on filesharing platforms, and I think there's more than a handful of public domain collections that contain this short.
I've never seen Porky's Pooch, for example, but I think I just haven't tried hard enough to track down this one. I believe it's a managable task to compile a collection with all classic Warner Bros. cartoons within a reasonable time (with the possible exceptions of Little Go Beep right now).
Perhaps Thad is closest with his list of cartoons uncut; but what about this one:
A version of Dog Daze (1937) including the scene near the beginning with the dog stopping by the pole? (Is there really a cut?)
WW
(proud of his 1969 Injun Trouble copy)
chesterfield
02-05-2005, 02:25 AM
"All This and Rabbitt Stew" with the "Negro stereotype" hunter is on the rare list.:bugs2: A few years ago, they had a bunch of new PD tapes at a used book store here in Texas and this toon was one of the three that were on the tape. I bought one (at the time I hadn't seen "Rabbit Stew") and as I stood in line I noticed that there were at least six other people buying the same tape. I had to go back the next day to pick up a book that had been ordered for me and I saw that they had sold out their entire stock of this one PD tape in just two days. I'm thinking that maybe it's not the majority that's so PC, but the ones who are this way make such a fuss that it just seems that way.;)
mmm...donuts
02-05-2005, 04:55 PM
A few years ago, they had a bunch of new PD tapes at a used book store here in Texas and this toon was one of the three that were on the tape. I bought one (at the time I hadn't seen "Rabbit Stew") and as I stood in line I noticed that there were at least six other people buying the same tape. I had to go back the next day to pick up a book that had been ordered for me and I saw that they had sold out their entire stock of this one PD tape in just two days. I'm thinking that maybe it's not the majority that's so PC, but the ones who are this way make such a fuss that it just seems that way.;)I have an italian PD DVD with "All This and Rabbit Stew" on it, but it was a very faded version.
David Gates
02-06-2005, 12:34 AM
As a rule, I consider any one I don't have very rare...One nobody's mentioned is "I Was A Teenage Thumb" which isn't available on video (yet) and was very rarely seen on CN. I only know of it being shown on CN uncut once.
PorkyIsntFat
02-06-2005, 11:54 AM
i dont know what about you but I got a copy of injun trouble(1969) in mpg format but with timecode
Larry T
02-06-2005, 04:37 PM
I saw Buddy the Woodsman so often I almost have it memorized, which is a shame, as it's... well, a Buddy cartoon. :buddy:
Yeah, but the uncut one is a lot funnier, and I'm pretty sure Nick aired that one after they gave it the scissor treatment. One scene which always makes me bust out laughing happens when the Chinese cook rings the dinner bell.
I've never seen Porky's Pooch, for example, but I think I just haven't tried hard enough to track down this one.
A beautiful B&W version is available on the Columbia House Looney Tunes VHS series, with the original opening and closing credits. I have a much sharper one run from an original 16mm print, with its proper titles too.
I think Thad identified the three main ones. The only way we'll ever see those three uncut is if WB releases then on DVD collections, or if an original print turns up somewhere in someone's collection. Mark Kausler said once that "Porky The Wrestler" is missing roughly 45 seconds - 1:15 minutes of animation in its edited form.:(
Personally, I'd like to see many of the rare early Merrie Melodies ("The Miller's Daughter", "Those Were Wonderful Days", "I've Got To Sing A Torch Song", etc) with their titles restored, because each of the endings were animated uniquely for each specific cartoon.
I think the rarest WB cartoon is Coal Black. :sowhite: WB would probably never release it and it hasn't (yet) fallen into public domain.
I think I read somewhere that Steamboat Willie is close to falling into public domain.:mickey:
Martin Juneau
02-06-2005, 04:54 PM
The Sheepish Wolf
Westward Whoa!
Any Bosko/Buddy shorts
Any Bosko/Buddy shorts
Yes, all of the Buddy shorts are very rare but I'm pretty sure that all of the Bosko shorts from 1930-32 are in public domain. Only the 1933 shorts are very rare.
rodney
02-07-2005, 09:39 PM
Anybody got a black and white print of Rover's Rival? I've not seen that in ANY collections, and I don't think it ever aired on Late Night Black and White. I did see a 16mm print for sale on ebay once, but I don't know if anyone around here happened to pick it up. It sold for over $100.
Injun Trouble (1969) made it's way like wildfire into our collections as soon as a copy was finally released. Now......if anyone has that without the time code, you've got something really grand on your hands.
The uncut Buddy The Woodsman is pretty difficult to get too. I've got a few copies of that one, and I'm not positive if any of them are uncut (it's been a loooong time since I pulled it out), but one of them may be.
I like this sort of thread!
Sogturtle
02-08-2005, 06:20 AM
Anybody got a black and white print of Rover's Rival? I've not seen that in ANY collections, and I don't think it ever aired on Late Night Black and White. I did see a 16mm print for sale on ebay once, but I don't know if anyone around here happened to pick it up. It sold for over $100.
Injun Trouble (1969) made it's way like wildfire into our collections as soon as a copy was finally released. Now......if anyone has that without the time code, you've got something really grand on your hands.
The uncut Buddy The Woodsman is pretty difficult to get too. I've got a few copies of that one, and I'm not positive if any of them are uncut (it's been a loooong time since I pulled it out), but one of them may be.
I like this sort of thread!
Rodney~
Actually my good friend, a 16mm b&w print of "Rover's Rival" just closed on Ebay a couple of days ago (I would know, somebody outbid me! ). Went pretty darned high!!! (I had bids out on some other rareties at the time)
For my own consolation, I do have a 16mm print of "Buddy The Woodsman" loitering around here somewhere!
And very recently a color 16mm print of "Injun Trouble" (1969) surfaced, it sold on Ebay for over a hundred smackeroos...
Larry T
02-08-2005, 07:06 AM
Anybody got a black and white print of Rover's Rival?
I do, run from a 16mm original (which unfortunately is showing its age- the sharpness has been lost somewhat). It has the original opening and closing WB credits as well.
frizfrelengfan
02-08-2005, 08:44 AM
The Sheepish Wolf
Westward Whoa!
Any Bosko/Buddy shorts
"Westward Whoa" was shown on Toon Heads. I've got it on tape.
rodney
02-08-2005, 06:39 PM
And very recently a color 16mm print of "Injun Trouble" (1969) surfaced, it sold on Ebay for over a hundred smackeroos...
Very interesting. I'd assume that 16mm prints of this short are extremely rare since it wasn't part of any syndication packages in the US. I wonder if this print was a reduction from 35mm or something (I think that's possible anyhow).
Rover's Rival is an interesting thing, because as near as I can tell, there's no reason at all why it should be any rarer than any other black and white Porky cartoon. Most of those are pretty common (though a few seem to be colorized versions with the color turned off if you got them from CN). Aside from the two ebay prints that have surfaced, Larry is the only collector I know with a copy of this short.
I've also found Porky's Super Service to be pretty rare in black and white.
YPSmitGimmick
03-02-2005, 01:34 PM
Here are some Pics from "Injun Trouble". It aired in early 2004 on CN France.
http://www.duckfilm.de/temp/injun/injun1.jpg http://www.duckfilm.de/temp/injun/injun2.jpg http://www.duckfilm.de/temp/injun/injun3.jpg http://www.duckfilm.de/temp/injun/injun4.jpg http://www.duckfilm.de/temp/injun/injun5.jpg http://www.duckfilm.de/temp/injun/injun6.jpg http://www.duckfilm.de/temp/injun/injun7.jpg http://www.duckfilm.de/temp/injun/injun8.jpg
Unfortunately, it's no 24 to 25 fps speed up but a very lousy NTSC 29.97fps to PAL 25fps conversion. It's impossible to recover the original progressive frames. Most frames look like that :(
http://www.duckfilm.de/temp/injun/injun9.jpg
Unfortunately, it's no 24 to 25 fps speed up but a very lousy NTSC 29.97fps to PAL 25fps conversion. It's impossible to recover the original progressive frames. Most frames look like that :(
http://www.duckfilm.de/temp/injun/injun9.jpg
Why would you say impossible to recover the progressive frames? Surely some software could do that...
anyhow,"injun trouble" comes up twice a month in the french Boomerang or cartoon network.It's the b/w cartoons we don't get to see here in europe.
i'd be happy to trade that ,with one b/w porky of the 15 i'm missing
frogboxer
03-03-2005, 01:51 AM
From what I've gathered reading these forums the last few years, it certainly seems like "Injun Trouble" is the rarest - or, at least, the most sought after of the rare cartoons. I was wondering, though - is this cartoon coveted so much because it's so rare or because it's a really good cartoon?
P.S.: Matthew Hunter, I love that avatar. Did you draw that yourself?
cbrubaker
03-03-2005, 02:33 AM
I traded with a guy from UK for various cartoons, and one of them was a UK airing of INJUN TROUBLE with no timecodes. It's in the process of being converted to NTSC.
I don't know if that airing was NTSC to PAL recording, but hopefully, it's not.
Greg Method
03-03-2005, 03:07 AM
I was wondering, though - is this cartoon coveted so much because it's so rare or because it's a really good cartoon?Deep down, I think everyone will agree it's the former.
Of course, even if it had always been in normal rotation since the days of "Looney Tunes on Nickelodeon" like the other late '60s shorts, fans would probably still want it for its historical significance as the final short...but by now most would have been able to record it easily.
radrat
03-03-2005, 05:04 PM
http://homepage.mac.com/slowderanim/ken_mundie/iMovieTheater142.html This link will take you to "The Door"
simple
03-04-2005, 09:52 AM
I think I will go for :
The Fire Alarm
Girl At The Ironing Board
Miller's Daughter
Phantom Ship
Why Do I Dream These Dreams
I've Got A Torch Song
All missing from my collection ...... and never seen. Maybe someone can put me out of my misery after more than 30 years wait !!!!!
rodney
03-04-2005, 11:35 PM
An uncut version of I've Got To Sing a Torch Song is quite rare. At least a couple of the others appeared on Nickelodeon.
Rusty0918
03-05-2005, 05:52 PM
I remember on Nickelodeon when their second short was usually a black and white one (Bosko/Buddy/Beans/old Porky/etc.). I've seen quite a few of those on that channel.
I remember early on when they showed those on Nickelodeon, those mid-late 1960's shorts were fairly common. Cool Cat, Merlin the Magic Mouse, etc. I even saw Norman Normal several times.
frizfrelengfan
03-05-2005, 08:58 PM
http://homepage.mac.com/slowderanim/ken_mundie/iMovieTheater142.html This link will take you to "The Door" Interesting short. While it's distinctly American, it reminds me of some of the "art animation" from Europe. Not what I usually watch in animation, but my mind is open to it nonetheless.
Is this even considered a Looney Tune or Merrie Melodie? It was not made by the usual gang of idiots. It was directed by Ken Mundie and produced by Campbell-Silver-Cosby (Cosby being the famous Bill). WB must have just picked up distribution, just as they picked up the artists on Cosby's record label, Tetragrammaton, when it went bankrupt (Cosby being one of those artists). Was it first shown in theaters or on TV?
sniffles
03-06-2005, 12:02 PM
Greetings,
Another WB cartoon I've never seen in any of the "public domain" collections is "Going to heaven on a mule" (1934). Does anyone know where I can find that one.
Thanks,
Ron Simmons
PorkyIsntFat
03-06-2005, 01:23 PM
Greetings,
Another WB cartoon I've never seen in any of the "public domain" collections is "Going to heaven on a mule" (1934). Does anyone know where I can find that one.
Thanks,
Ron Simmons
i got this cartoon on my computer from Emule
but it didnt complet so i have to wait untill this cartoon will be download
cabe624
03-07-2005, 10:31 AM
Some of the rarest would probably include the following:
1. Wholly Smoke (1938, Tashlin)
2. Africa Squeaks (1940, Clampett)
3. Porky the Fireman *UNCUT* (1938, Tashlin)
Many of the B&W Looney Tunes cartoons are very hard to find as they are were not aired on TV as much as the Technicolor shorts.
Larry T
03-07-2005, 01:44 PM
1. Wholly Smoke (1938, Tashlin)
2. Africa Squeaks (1940, Clampett)
I have those uncut, shot from 16mm film.
An uncut version of I've Got To Sing a Torch Song is quite rare
That too, thanks to a certain TTTP contact who was generous enough to think of me one day ;) . I fixed mine up so that the image quality is a bit better and the sound is turned up (the source print had extremely low audio).
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