Superior pics from a Blackie the Lamb Cartoon

[Duck Dodgers]

Enjoy an original print ( complete with opening and closing titles and credits) of "No Mutton Fer Nuttin" and post a comment on my blog too!


http://classiccartoons.blogspot.com/2006/06/today-menu-lamb-chops.html

Also look at my other posts, highlighting the work of Tytla at Terry and of Tashlin at Screen Gems.
Plus, the rare cut scene from "the Reckless Driver".

[SatStorm]

It came from a well known French channel, right?

[J Lee]

Nice to get a chance to see decent color (and uncut) images of the very first Noveltoon for a change. Thanks.

[Duck Dodgers]

Don't forget this post too!;)

http://classiccartoons.blogspot.com/2006/06/tish-tash-moment-red-riding-hood-rides.html

[Timber Wolf]

Where does the channel get those prints? I thought all existing prints are faded and have those black bars over Paramount and Technicolor names.

[Duck Dodgers]

Where does the channel get those prints? I thought all existing prints are faded and have those black bars over Paramount and Technicolor names.

I don't know. Many of the cartoons come from original 35mm prints, other from reissue 35mm, "A Paramount Champion,Brought Back By Popular Demand!".

However,no one of these copies is one of the altered TV prints.

More to come next week.


Ehi, Jon!
Do you like these pics?:)

[Vdubdavid]

Are these prints dubbed in another language? If they aren't is there any chance they could be posted on Youtube (if that isn't putting undue pressure on you, of course)? I would love to see and hear these cartoons!

[Duck Dodgers]

Are these prints dubbed in another language? If they aren't is there any chance they could be posted on Youtube (if that isn't putting undue pressure on you, of course)? I would love to see and hear these cartoons!


When you see that "5" on a screenshot posted on my blog, that means that the cartoon aired on a particular French channel, and it is unfortunately dubbed in French.
However, even if it was in original language, I would never post it on YouTube.
It is against the laws of copyright.
Sorry.
It is my policy.

[SatStorm]

Just for those that interests:
The specific french channel is called France 5 (www.france5.fr). You can recieve this channel easy in Europe, Northern Africa & middle East. It broadcasts free to air, through Atlantic bird 3 satellite (5 West). Freq:11591 V, S.R.:20000, FEC 2/3.
Some english info regarding the channel itself here: www.france5.fr/pres/W00062/8

[J. J. Hunsecker]

Funny how in the ending to both cartoons, "No Mutton Fer Nuttin'" and "Red Riding Hood Rides Again", the war effort intrudes upon the story, all to the protaganist's favor.

[Duck Dodgers]

Just for those that interests:
The specific french channel is called France 5 (www.france5.fr) (http://www.france5.fr)/). You can recieve this channel easy in Europe, Northern Africa & middle East. It broadcasts free to air, through Atlantic bird 3 satellite (5 West). Freq:11591 V, S.R.:20000, FEC 2/3.
Some english info regarding the channel itself here: www.france5.fr/pres/W00062/8 (http://www.france5.fr/pres/W00062/8)

I don't know that channel is still airing them cartoons.

[J Lee]

When you see that "5" on a screenshot posted on my blog, that means that the cartoon aired on a particular French channel, and it is unfortunately dubbed in French.
However, even if it was in original language, I would never post it on YouTube.
It is against the laws of copyright.
Sorry.
It is my policy.

Though techinally, I suppose it is possible to use the video from the French channel and dub in the audio from an uncut NTA public domain print of NMFM (or any of the other shorts being shown over there), and you'd have as close to a pristine English-lanugage version of the cartoon are you're going to get until Paramount figures out they're sitting on marketable animation properties.

[Duck Dodgers]

Though techinally, I suppose it is possible to use the video from the French channel and dub in the audio from an uncut NTA public domain print of NMFM (or any of the other shorts being shown over there), and you'd have as close to a pristine English-lanugage version of the cartoon are you're going to get until Paramount figures out they're sitting on marketable animation properties.

Thanks to a friend here, I'm doing this for my Mighty Mouse cartoons.
I gave him all my superior copies dubbed in French, plus bad-looking copies with original audio.
We'll see what we'll get.:p

I'll not post the final results on YouTube, but I'll use them for trades and I'll give them away for free to selected friends.

I'm looking for the original audio of the Famous to do the transfer ( Larry T my friend, did you find them original versions of the cartoons I told you about?;) :) )

[Jon Cooke]

I'll not post the final results on YouTube, but I'll use them for trades and I'll give them away for free to selected friends.

Andrea, if the cartoon is public domain would you consider putting it on YouTube (Campus Capers, No Muttin' For Nuttin')?

[Duck Dodgers]

Andrea, if the cartoon is public domain would you consider putting it on YouTube (Campus Capers, No Muttin' For Nuttin')?

In that case I think I 'll do it!

However the process of transferring the original audio in these marvellous copies is very difficult.
I do not know how to do a DVD compilation ( if someone can tell me I'll be glad to learn. As now I only know how to rip from a DVD), so I'm looking for someone to do a dvd with normal/bad-looking copies of these cartoons BUT with the original audio.
Then I will send it to my friend and he'll do the job.

This could take months.:(

[Jon Cooke]

Time to compare the common public domain copy to Andrea's copy.

To quote our friend Blackie: "Are you kiddin'?"

[Jon Cooke]

A few more...

(This is one of my favorite Noveltoons.)

[Duck Dodgers]

Thanks, Jon.

It helps to compare both copies.

And I'm nuts about Noveltoons too ( expecially about the ones starring Blackie the Lamb and the Syd Raymond voiced Wolfie).

[SatStorm]

OT: Technically speaking, the dubbing is possible but not as easy as it looks!
French 5, broadcasts on the SECAM system (a PAL Variation). If you grabb the channel in a digital way, you have 25 frames per second. The audio from the films are 24 frames per second. From NTSC sources (USA / JAPAN) is 29.97 fps... Converting the NTSC / Film audio to match the 25 frames per second (PAL / SECAM) can be a bit tricky... Needs Inverse telecine & speed up.
Converting PAL picture to NTSC is somehow easier (slow down 25 to 23.97 then telecine) but you have to de-interlace the source first, and that "blures" the picture. If you use an alternative technique, you have problems in motion.

Andrea, from what I know, French 5 airs cartoons on X-mass & the Catholic Easter mostly. Arte also has some sporadic animation stuff, so RTR Culture (a russian thematic channel of Rusia's national TV). Kiderkanal from Germany use to air some stuff few years before, dubbed in German. For walter lantz fans, I believe rai due (or uno?) broadcast daily woody woodpecker shorts even today.

Far better sources for classic theatrical cartoons at this time, are some arabic satellite channels and few eastern European ones! There are some channels from Kuwait & Egypt, that cartoon fans in US would die to receive and watch.

What is really rare in this side of the world, are those terrytoons.

[Duck Dodgers]

OT: Technically speaking, the dubbing is possible but not as easy as it looks!
French 5, broadcasts on the SECAM system (a PAL Variation). If you grabb the channel in a digital way, you have 25 frames per second. The audio from the films are 24 frames per second. From NTSC sources (USA / JAPAN) is 29.97 fps... Converting the NTSC / Film audio to match the 25 frames per second (PAL / SECAM) can be a bit tricky... Needs Inverse telecine & speed up.
Converting PAL picture to NTSC is somehow easier (slow down 25 to 23.97 then telecine) but you have to de-interlace the source first, and that "blures" the picture. If you use an alternative technique, you have problems in motion.

Andrea, from what I know, French 5 airs cartoons on X-mass & the Catholic Easter mostly. Arte also has some sporadic animation stuff, so RTR Culture (a russian thematic channel of Rusia's national TV). Kiderkanal from Germany use to air some stuff few years before, dubbed in German. For walter lantz fans, I believe rai due (or uno?) broadcast daily woody woodpecker shorts even today.

Far better sources for classic theatrical cartoons at this time, are some arabic satellite channels and few eastern European ones! There are some channels from Kuwait & Egypt, that cartoon fans in US would die to receive and watch.

What is really rare in this side of the world, are those terrytoons.


Thanks for the ultra-interesting informations!!!

A friend of mine, there will be a time when I will mention his name, is doing the transfer of the original audio to the terrific prints of all my Mighty Mouse cartoons!

[Studio Toledo]

I don't know that channel is still airing them cartoons.
Here's a Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_5) entry on the channel as well.

[Duck Dodgers]

Here's a Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_5) entry on the channel as well.

Just happened to know that this channel is not airing these cartoons from 6 years or so.

[Fredrik]

Converting PAL picture to NTSC is somehow easier (slow down 25 to 23.97 then telecine) but you have to de-interlace the source first, and that "blures" the picture.

No, you should definitely not deinterlace. When film is transferred to PAL it is done without altering the frames (unlike the NTSC telecine process); the first film frame is put on the first two PAL fields, the next frame on fields 3 and 4, and so on. It is, in a sense, not really interlaced at all. However, sometimes the fields are "out of phase" (so that, say, film frame 1 is on fields 2 and 3); the result will be undistinguishable on a TV, but it will look interlaced when shown on a progressive screen like a computer monitor. This makes some people think you need to deinterlace it, which indeed blurs the picture considerably, but that is not the right way - you can, and should, do a phase correction - this will recover the film frames perfectly.

Andrea, if you need any help with this transferring process, PM me!

[Duck Dodgers]

Andrea, if you need any help with this transferring process, PM me!


Thanks,

the transfer that my friend is doing will put original NTSC audio ( changing it from NTSC to PAL, I presume) to a superior print in PAL video ( that, at the time being, is only available dubbed in French).

The final result will be in PAL and will be available for trades to anyone is interested ( and will be given for free to selected people too!)
I hope to be able to do this for the Famous cartoons too, but I need to find all the original audio first.

[Studio Toledo]

Thanks,

the transfer that my friend is doing will put original NTSC audio ( changing it from NTSC to PAL, I presume) to a superior print in PAL video ( that, at the time being, is only available dubbed in French).

The final result will be in PAL and will be available for trades to anyone is interested ( and will be given for free to selected people too!)
I hope to be able to do this for the Famous cartoons too, but I need to find all the original audio first.
Count me in! :cool:

[SatStorm]

@Fredrik: When we capture from PAL channels, the source is interlace. When you convert PAL to NTSC, you have to slow down the PAL 25 frames to NTSC 23.97 fps and then do a proccess called "telecine" so to end up to 29.97fps (this is the standard NTSC framerate). The problem is that you can't telecine an interlace source! Fields will pop up all the time, making the watching really hard (and for animation students a waste of time...)
De-interlacing PAL can be done with a proccess callel 2:2 pulldown removal (rare situation, PAL telecine is very limited, most TV stations just speed up 24 fps to 25 fps...), or by slowing down the source. If you wish to convert this source to NTSC, you have to find a way to kill interlacing. Field shifting is the best method, but most people simply drop one field and doubles the other.

Regarding F5, there are 2 variations of the channel: The analogue version (sharing time with Arte) and the digital (24 hours). In France most recieve the analogue version. The digital one, use to have thematic re-runs to fill various time slots on X-Mass, Easter and overall the French day-off days. We, the cartoon fans, have to watch closelly the schedchules of those channels, because on those re-runs, they may air again treasures, at time slots and dates, that we don't even imagine...

And it is not only this: Sometimes, the treasures are on the usual places, but on specific hours: Cartoon Network France for example, use to air every midnight a mix of "Cartoon Cartoons" & Looney Toons (I believe it still does). You can catch up rare stuff there, like the last Cool Cat cartoon. Every Wendsday they use to have a 2 hours of pure Tex Avery, both Warners & MGM, uncut! I don't know if they still do.

A third examle I can state, is what happened couple of months ago. Some of the banned 12 Warner Cartoons, aired from UK's "Open Access 2" channel, in a "broadcast" called "Daffy Duck"... Off course the picture was terrible (PD source) but the fact that someone cared to air those cartoons means a lot...

[PeppeRaskell1]

Nice pictures, but I wish there was a whole video to go with them.

Also, what's the name of the Blackie cartoon where his little nephews are dancing while playing the harmonica, and the Wolf comes in dressed as "Little Boy Blue" of "Little Boy Blue and his Red Hot Blue Boys?" (I want to see a whole restored video of that, too!)

[frizfrelengfan]

Nice screen shots, Duck Dodgers!

Someone once answered my question that this was the first Noveltoon.

[Thad]

Also, what's the name of the Blackie cartoon where his little nephews are dancing while playing the harmonica, and the Wolf comes in dressed as "Little Boy Blue" of "Little Boy Blue and his Red Hot Blue Boys?" (I want to see a whole restored video of that, too!)

Much Ado About Mutton (1947) - one of my absolute favorites!

THAD

[Nelson]

"Blackie" is just one of my favorite Famous Studios characters and such a beatuiful print I might add Andera.Was this print dubbed or does it contain the english soundtrack?