Rarest titles

[Duck Dodgers]

Which cartoons do you consider to be the rarest for an animation collector to find?
I do not mean the virtually unfindable or lost ones but the very very rare ones.

[Brundledan]

The one I made with construction-paper cutouts when I was seven.

Actually, I can't even find that one.

[Tom Stathes]

That's very hard to say, Andrea. The reason is that even the cartoons we think are "lost" forever do surface sometimes! I'd basically consider in my own realms any silent Bray or Disney Laugh-o-Gram cartoons which are currently lost to be my holy grail items.
-Tom

[David Gerstein]

AFAIK, the only lost Laugh-O-Gram is JACK AND THE BEANSTALK.
For me, the holy grails are missing Oswalds, simply due to how many important animation people worked on them. Felixes come after that— though they're a bit more common than Oswald, insofar as from 1922 about 75% of them seem to survive.

[Tom Stathes]

AFAIK, the only lost Laugh-O-Gram is JACK AND THE BEANSTALK.

You know, I'd forgotten that a 5th more than likely exists- I'd love to go see it!
I'm just waiting to find an old 16mm rental print of that 6th LOG among some other Kodascopes in a Flushing basement somewhere :D
-Tom

[J. A. Boschen]

An RKO Radio/van Beuren CINECOLOR Raibow Parade cartoon with its original titles is my Holy Grail item. I have been dying to see what these title cards look like. Seeing how when Warner Bros Switched from Cinecolor/Two-strip Technicolor to Full Technicolor, they swithced title design (curtain titles on Two Strip Technicolor cartoons to the Art-Deco Bulls-eye for Full Technicolor). Columbia, MGM, etc.. did the same thing when they changed color processes, so I imagine that Van Beuren did the same thing. I also theorize that the cartoons that Ted Eshbaugh did probably have a different title design than the ones that Burt Gillet directed.

The way I look at it, a few of the Full 3-Strip Technicolor cartoons that contained their original titles (not the ones on Cartoons That TIme Forgot DVD) are floating around in the Public Domain, and therefore one of those foolish Cinecolor cartoons that are complete, has to be out there somewhere!!

[Cartman]

The Winkler Oswalds are pretty rare.

[rex racer]

I'm with David totally on the silent Oswalds! This is a key Disney area that still has a lot of holes! By the way, I'm researching that ghostly E-bay item, and have been in communication with the seller. Hope to report more later. It's intriguing!


I'd like to see the Eshbaugh stuff in their original color glory, especially Goofy Goat Antics, Pastry Town Wedding, and Japanese Lanterns, the last two with their original Van Beuren titles of course! Lanterns actually intrigues me the most, I've seen it in b/w and it would be a beautiful film in color I think. Well, maybe not, some of the two color Rainbows I've seen are pretty much red and blue period. On the other hand "Picnic Panic" and "Sunshine Makers" look pretty good!

Another silent series that is a real mystery is the "Charlie Chaplin" cartoons. I've seen ad copy for it in old trade ads, but never heard of one being in anyones collection.....

And then theres the missing Charles Bowers stop mo films between 1930-1934. These probably never were made....

Hope Steve and Ray weigh in on this one, I'd be curious as to what they'd give their eye teeth to locate!

Great topic for discussion Andrea!


Del

[Sogturtle]

Wellllll getting within Andrea's parameters is a little difficult:p .
But for me it would be first and foremost finding the two Dr. Seuss toons made in New York and released by Warners in 1931.

The second would be getting all of the Winkler Oswalds (okay so I have the film Harman & Ising made independently in 1926 "Aladdin's Vamp" to comfort me:D ).

Third would be getting a few missing obscure cartoons like those from the Tat's Tales Studio and the other Marty the Monk/Boyd La Vero toons, and the missing Eshbaugh output.

Fourth, hmmmm, acquiring a perfect color print of Fleischer's two-reeler "The Raven".

[Duck Dodgers]

Thank you folks!

Acually I was thinking more to sound cartoons than to silent ones ( don't hate me, Tom and David! ;) ).

The fact is that the majority of the silent titles are very rare due to their age, while I was thinking to sound rarities, like, as Soggie mentioned, a perfect color print of " The Raven" or the marvellous copies of the Censored Eleven that I got from my italian friend.
Or a technicolor print of " Kickapoo Juice"..things like these....Very interested to know more about them.
Thanks to the ones that answered and the ones that will answwer in advance.

- Andrea

[Jon Cooke]

WB: I know unedited prints of "Porky the Fireman" and "The Phantom Ship" are hard to find. The modern-day "Little Go Beep" hasn't surfaced among cartoon collectors yet either as far as I know.

The earliest Famous Studios Noveltoons and Little Lulus (the ones that aren't public domain) are also tough to track down copies of.

Walter Lantz- you don't see many B&W cartoons floating around and we at the Lantz-o-Pedia are on the lookout for a copy of "Woody Meets Davy Crewcut".


-Jon

[Sogturtle]

Thank you folks!

Acually I was thinking more to sound cartoons than to silent ones ( don't hate me, Tom and David! ;) ).

The fact is that the majority of the silent titles are very rare due to their age, while I was thinking to sound rarities, like, as Soggie mentioned, a perfect color print of " The Raven" or the marvellous copies of the Censored Eleven that I got from my italian friend.
Or a technicolor print of " Kickapoo Juice"..things like these....Very interested to know more about them.
Thanks to the ones that answered and the ones that will answwer in advance.

- Andrea

Well Andrea, besides my above list I'd also add...
Original TECHNICOLOR prints of the Mintz/Columbia Barney Googles and the Columbia Li'l Abners (besides A Peekoolyar Sitcheayshun)... Sooooo it would be...

Tetched In The Head
Patch Mah Britches
Sparkplug
Major Google
*[also "Neighbors"][all above directed & written by Art Davis and Sid Marcus]

Amoozin' But Confoozin'
Sadie Hawkins Day
Porkuliar Piggy
Kickapoo Juice
*[also "He Can't Make It Stick]

And the other "Gran' Pop Monkey" cartoon that Ub Iwerks made..."Baby Checkers"

[Duck Dodgers]

WB: I know unedited prints of "Porky the Fireman" and "The Phantom Ship" are hard to find. The modern-day "Little Go Beep" hasn't surfaced among cartoon collectors yet either as far as I know.

The earliest Famous Studios Noveltoons and Little Lulus (the ones that aren't public domain) are also tough to track down copies of.

Walter Lantz- you don't see many B&W cartoons floating around and we at the Lantz-o-Pedia are on the lookout for a copy of "Woody Meets Davy Crewcut".


-Jon

Interesting posts, Jon and Tim.

sooo....which are the rarest to find Technicolor Lantz cartoons ?
I'm surprised about a Fifties short being considered rare.
There was a time in which " Woody meets Davy Crewcut" aired at least two times a month in Italy. It happened two-three years ago.
I never taped it, because they altered the original soundtrack and the characters were speaking Italian and I love only ORIGINAL cartoons.
But I wonder if I could be able to find a copy of it.....Hhmmm....I'll see what I can do.....

[Larry T]

Walter Lantz- we at the Lantz-o-Pedia are on the lookout for a copy of "Woody Meets Davy Crewcut".

Jon, Thad... you won't be waiting long..... ;)

I think for me in my simplistic mind, along with the few B&W Looney Tunes Jon mentioned, (in addition to a fully uncut print of "Porky The Wrestler"), are the B&W Lantz cartoons, especially the non-popular character ones from the mid-to-late 30s. For Technicolour Lantz cartoons, throw in "Abou Ben Boogie" and "Pass The Biscuits, Mirandy". The rest of them can all be tracked down someplace or another.

You can throw in Republic's "It's A Grand Old Nag" in there too- not many people have access to that one.

Plus nobody has seen traces of several Talkartoons, one in particular, "Under the Old Apple Sauce".

[rex racer]

Well, now that I'm awake, and re-read Andrea's original question, a few other later titles come to mind. Love to have the early George Pal material, especially "Midnight" (1932) his first film. I know this still exists, having seen it once years ago on AMC. Add in his Dr Seuss Puppetoons, also!

Love to have all of the Lantz Swing Symphonies in color, especially those like Abou Ben Boogie and Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy, that never made it to the Woody TV packages. And don't get me started about the Lantz Oswalds!

If you want a real latter day release, how about 1977's "Fantastic Animation Festival" feature film. It never appeared in LD format, and most of the VHS copies out there are low to midgrade boots. Love to get a re-mastered original in a official DVD version!

[JERRY BECK]

Personally, one cartoon I'm dying to see is SPREE FOR ALL, the lost 1946 Noveltoon starring Snuffy Smith!

[rbl100]

This is the rarest toon to my knowledge....:p

[Studio Toledo]

If you want a real latter day release, how about 1977's "Fantastic Animation Festival" feature film. It never appeared in LD format, and most of the VHS copies out there are low to midgrade boots. Love to get a re-mastered original in a official DVD version!
I used to have an original VHS copy of this one, though I had to pawn it off eventually. It wasn't of terribly great quality for it's time though. It was a rather crappier telecine job for it's time, not anywhere near what Expanded Entertainment was able to do with their festival compilation videos. Being reminded that one of the Fleischer Superman shorts is on that as well, though a typical dupe print that has the spliced-in credits from another short thrown in as well as no Paramount logos at all. I usually hated watching these that way.

I otherwise have a decent mint copy of the poster to this film, and the theatrical trailer on 35mm.

If a remastered DVD release was ever made possible, they'd probably have to get the original animators of those pieces or whomever might own them to agree to use their best possible source material to do so (you know how we are today about those things). Some stuff might not be able to be included as well perhaps (don't know who done the 7-Up and Levi's commercials added to it, though it would've been neat to have a few more included as well).

[rex racer]

This is the rarest toon to my knowledge....

Methinks your record is skippin rbl!:p

Jes kiddin!:bosko:

[Der Captain]

Many of the later Fleischer cartoons, like the "Animated Antics" and "Stone Age" series - and yes, "The Raven"!

[Pietro]

Rarest cartoons? Hmm. Where to begin? For starters, the Disney and Winkler Oswalds (especially Winkler Oswalds with sound) are considered rare. Then there are the Lantz shorts that nobody is known to have (yet, anyway). These include:

"Cold Turkey"
"Pussy Willie"
"Amature Nite" (sound print)
"Nutty Notes"
"Ozzie of the Circus"
"Kounty Fair" (sound print)
"Kisses and Kurses"
"Broadway Folly"
"Bowery Bimbos"
"Hot for Hollywood" (sound print)
"Cold Feet"
"Country School" (sound print)
"Springtime Serenade"

It has even been rumored that Universal does not own copies of these cartoons...:eek:

These early Fleischer Screen Songs from 1929 have been elusive to many collectors:

"The Sidewalks of New York"
"Old Black Joe"
"Yankee Doodle Boy"
"Ye Olde Melodies"
"Daisy Bell"
"Dixie"
"Mother, Pin a Rose on Me"
"Goodbye, My Lady Love"
"My Pony Boy"

...as well as these Talkartoons:

"Accordion Joe"
"Marriage Wows"
"The Grand Uproar"
"The Ace Of Spades"
"Teacher's Pest"
"The Cow's Husband"
"The Male Man"
"In The Shade Of The Old Apple Sauce" (mentioned earlier)

Columbia-wise, there are a number of shorts that I would consider rare. The Winkler Krazy Kat cartoons as well as the earliest sound Mintz Krazys (in particular ones that have yet to be uncovered such as "The Kat's Meow") especially come to mind. "The Chinatown Mystery" is considered to be the rarest Scrappy cartoon (though I'm sure a print of it exists somewhere). What about those ultra-rare Columbia cartoons that studio's vault didn't even have?:

The Barney Google cartoons (mentioned earlier)
"Monkey Love"
"The Stork Takes a Holiday"
"Hollywood Graduation"
"Hollywood Sweepstakes"
"Dreams on Ice" (in Technicolor)
"The Greyhound and the Rabbit"
"Who's Zoo in Hollywood"
"King Midas Junior"
"There's Something About a Soldier"
"He Can't Make It Stick" (mentioned earlier)
"The Herring Murder Mystery"
"Lionel Lion"
"Kickapoo Juice" (in Technicolor, mentioned earlier)
"Rippling Romance"
"River Ribber"
"Mysto Fox" (in Technicolor)
"Fowl Brawl"
"Cockatoos for Two"
"Wacky Quacky"
"Kitty Caddy"

The definition of a "rare cartoon" has certainly changed over time. Four years ago, any print of "Mysto Fox" was considered rare.

-Pietro:daffy:

[Jon Cooke]

Interesting posts, Jon and Tim.

sooo....which are the rarest to find Technicolor Lantz cartoons ?

I know it took us awhile to track down copies of "Space Mouse" (Hickory, Dickory & Doc), "Three Little Woodpeckers", and "Papoose on the Loose". Wartime Lantz titles like "Canine Commandos", "Air Raid Warden", "Recruiting Daze", "Yankee Doodle Swing Shift" can be found if you ask the right people ;) , but aren't very common since, like others have said, they weren't released in syndication. Unedited versions of "Pigeon Patrol" and "Mouse Trappers" are also not common.

I still personally haven't seen "Hysterical Highspots on American History" even though pictures are on the Lantz-o-Pedia. :p

The early Andy Panda cartoons with the pygmies ("100 Pygmies...", "Andy Goes Fishing") weren't easy to find until they surfaced on the Columbia House discs.

I think we're still missing a few later era Woody/Chilly/Beary cartoons, but haven't checked recently.


-Jon

[Duck Dodgers]

I know it took us awhile to track down copies of "Space Mouse" (Hickory, Dickory & Doc), "Three Little Woodpeckers", and "Papoose on the Loose". Wartime Lantz titles like "Canine Commandos", "Air Raid Warden", "Recruiting Daze", "Yankee Doodle Swing Shift" can be found if you ask the right people ;) , but aren't very common since, like others have said, they weren't released in syndication. Unedited versions of "Pigeon Patrol" and "Mouse Trappers" are also not common.

I still personally haven't seen "Hysterical Highspots on American History" even though pictures are on the Lantz-o-Pedia. :p

The early Andy Panda cartoons with the pygmies ("100 Pygmies...", "Andy Goes Fishing") weren't easy to find until they surfaced on the Columbia House discs.

I think we're still missing a few later era Woody/Chilly/Beary cartoons, but haven't checked recently.


-Jon

Cool! Luckily I own nearly the totality of the titles that you mentioned.

[Duck Dodgers]

"Cockatoos for Two"


-Pietro:daffy:

A picture from this cartoon appears in Maltin's " Of Mice and Magic".

[Pietro]

I know it took us awhile to track down copies of "Space Mouse" (Hickory, Dickory & Doc), "Three Little Woodpeckers", and "Papoose on the Loose". Wartime Lantz titles like "Canine Commandos", "Air Raid Warden", "Recruiting Daze", "Yankee Doodle Swing Shift" can be found if you ask the right people ;) , but aren't very common since, like others have said, they weren't released in syndication. Unedited versions of "Pigeon Patrol" and "Mouse Trappers" are also not common.

I still personally haven't seen "Hysterical Highspots on American History" even though pictures are on the Lantz-o-Pedia. :p

The early Andy Panda cartoons with the pygmies ("100 Pygmies...", "Andy Goes Fishing") weren't easy to find until they surfaced on the Columbia House discs.

I think we're still missing a few later era Woody/Chilly/Beary cartoons, but haven't checked recently.Also, there's the rare Technicolor WWII Lantz medical film, "Enemy Bacteria" which we haven't been able to locate yet...

-Pietro:daffy:

[Duck Dodgers]

Jon, Thad... you won't be waiting long..... ;)

I think for me in my simplistic mind, along with the few B&W Looney Tunes Jon mentioned, (in addition to a fully uncut print of "Porky The Wrestler")....

What was cut in " Porky the Wrestler" ?

[Larry T]

What was cut in " Porky the Wrestler" ?

I don't know. While watching it one day, I heard two odd jump cuts in the soundtrack during the wrestling sequence and know for a fact that Stalling would never have composed it that way. Seeing as the Looney Tunes did not get the Axe treatment the same way the Blue Ribbons did, this said to me that something had happened to the cartoon. Not only that, the running time of the version we are familiar with including credits is only 6:05, a lot shorter than the cartoons normally were in that year. I asked Mark Kausler about this a few years back and he replied, "There are two gags missing from that cartoon".


I know it took us awhile to track down copies of "Space Mouse" (Hickory, Dickory & Doc), "Three Little Woodpeckers", and "Papoose on the Loose".


You're welcome for two of those prints- thank Thad for the first one.

If it weren't for people on this board who are serious enough to actually go out and track down and purchase prints of many of these cartoons and archive them to viable media, many of us would only ever hear and read about a lot of rare gems. :cool: (Kudos go out to Jerry Beck, Sogturtle, Nelson, Pietro, Thad, Tom....)


I think we're still missing a few later era Woody/Chilly/Beary cartoons, but haven't checked recently.

You should let me know about which ones you need, Jon. I probably have them. :woody: :chilly:

[Duck Dodgers]

I asked Mark Kausler about this a few years back and he replied, "There are two gags missing from that cartoon".

:woody: :chilly:


DIDN'T HE DESCRIBED THEM GAGS?

[Cartman]

Rarest cartoons? Hmm. Where to begin? For starters, the Disney and Winkler Oswalds (especially Winkler Oswalds with sound) are considered rare. Then there are the Lantz shorts that nobody is known to have (yet, anyway). These include:

"Cold Turkey"
"Pussy Willie"
"Amature Nite" (sound print)
"Nutty Notes"
"Ozzie of the Circus"
"Kounty Fair" (sound print)
"Kisses and Kurses"
"Broadway Folly"
"Bowery Bimbos"
"Hot for Hollywood" (sound print)
"Cold Feet"
"Country School" (sound print)
"Springtime Serenade"

It has even been rumored that Universal does not own copies of these cartoons...:eek:

I notice that you didn't mention MEXICO or RADIO RHYTHM with sound prints. Does someone own those prints with sound?

[Tom Stathes]

I notice that you didn't mention MEXICO or RADIO RHYTHM with sound prints. Does someone own those prints with sound?
I might have those two on VHS- I have to check.
-Tom

P.S. Thanks for the kudos, Larry;)

[Sogturtle]

....
If it weren't for people on this board who are serious enough to actually go out and track down and purchase prints of many of these cartoons and archive them to viable media, many of us would only ever hear and read about a lot of rare gems. :cool: (Kudos go out to Jerry Beck, Sogturtle, Nelson, Pietro, Thad, Tom....)
:woody: :chilly:

And thank you Larry for the kind words!!!:)

[Larry T]

P.S. Thanks for the kudos, Larry

Just trying to give credit where credit is due.

And thank you Larry for the kind words!!!

You too Tim. We've got to link up our findings soon. :cool:

People don't comprehend how much personal time and money go into archiving cartoons that aren't readily available in the public market. It does become somewhat tiring when the only threads certain members ever post is to troll for cartoons they want all the time.

I'm done now. :p

[Duck Dodgers]

People don't comprehend how much personal time and money go into archiving cartoons that aren't readily available in the public market. It does become somewhat tiring when the only threads certain members ever post is to troll for cartoons they want all the time.

I'm done now. :p

Gosh, Larry. Now you let me feel sorry.

One of the reasons because I opened this thread was because my now- famous italian friend (colllector of 16mm and 35mm prints of movies, shorts and cartoons) wanted to know if he owns some ultra-rare cartoons.
He is the proud owner of them cool versions of the Censored Eleven, as you already know, and he wanted to know if his collection includes other assorted rarities.

[Bugsmer]

Don't forget "Pudgy And The Lost Kitten", "Honest Love And True, "Buzzy Boop", and "Buzzy At The Concert".

[Pietro]

I notice that you didn't mention MEXICO or RADIO RHYTHM with sound prints. Does someone own those prints with sound?A print of "Mexico" with sound has been recently uncovered, though I don't have a copy myself. The soundtrack for "Radio Rhythm" was released on an audio CD called "Tunes from the Toons" in the 1990s. I'm planning on dubbing it onto the silent print in trade rotation.

Also, thanks Larry for kudos, as well! :cool:

-Pietro:daffy:

[Dave Mackey]

I still personally haven't seen "Hysterical Highspots on American History" even though pictures are on the Lantz-o-Pedia. :p

"Hysterical Highspots..." is not a rare cartoon. It was distributed to television as part of the first wave of syndicated Walter Lantz cartoons in 1977. Maybe rare to you, however....

[Larry T]

Gosh, Larry. Now you let me feel sorry.

I'm not pointing fingers Andrea.... those people know who they are.

Anyway, back on topic, there are also several early MGM classics that are very difficult to find... including the two Averys that everybody complains about.

Columbia's "He Can't Make It Stick" is a tough one to locate.... probably lost.

[Duck Dodgers]

Anyway, back on topic, there are also several early MGM classics that are very difficult to find... including the two Averys that everybody complains about.




Hhmmm...not sure I understood which Avery ones you mean.
Are you speaking of the alternate version of " Red Hot Riding Hood" ? I'm no sure if it was ever even made or was only planned to be that way.

[Timber Wolf]

Hhmmm...not sure I understood which Avery ones you mean.
Are you speaking of the alternate version of " Red Hot Riding Hood" ? I'm no sure if it was ever even made or was only planned to be that way.

The rarest MGM cartoons have to be the original releases of The Shooting of Dan McGoo and Droopy's Good Deed (does Good Deed even exist unedited?), the Cinecolor version of Techno-Cracked (Flip the Frog) and the complete print of Masquerade Holiday (Willie Whopper).

[Duck Dodgers]

Personally, one cartoon I'm dying to see is SPREE FOR ALL, the lost 1946 Noveltoon starring Snuffy Smith!

I can tell you the plot, if you care. In this cartoon, Billy de Beck's hero returns from the war and builds a house right in the firing line of the feuding Mulligans and McCoys.
This plot comes from Webb's book. It looks like an interesting idea to me.

[Cartman]

What about the original unaltered version of THE THREE LITTLE PIGS with both the Wolf's oiginal Jewish dialogue and the stereotypical mask.

[Matt the Y]

I know it took us awhile to track down copies of "Space Mouse" (Hickory, Dickory & Doc), "Three Little Woodpeckers", and "Papoose on the Loose".
I think we're still missing a few later era Woody/Chilly/Beary cartoons, but haven't checked recently.


Pardon me if this sounds like "advertising", if you will, but...

You say someone at the Lantz site now has copies of "Space Mouse (a title I've been searching for for... well, FOREVER!!!), "Three Little Woodpeckers", and "Papoose on the Loose"?

I really need all three of those titles in my collection (they're three of the few Lantz cartoons I still need to get) so... would anyone please be interested in supplying me with these titles? I don't know what I would be able to supply in return but hopefully we could work something out.

If anyone is interested, please PM me and hopefully I'll get in touch with you.

Thanks!

Okay. Now back to the rest of the board;) ....

[Duck Dodgers]

What about the original unaltered version of THE THREE LITTLE PIGS with both the Wolf's oiginal Jewish dialogue and the stereotypical mask.

I got, thanks to a dear friend, a copy that includes both the original animation and the original soundtrack.
A few people own it, I think.
This copy is the same one used in the Disney Treasures set ( perfectly restored), than, thanks to the ability of this cartoon collector, it uses the original footage of the sequence in which the wolf is disguised as a Jewish ( with original soundtrack), then returns to the restored footage.
This "Frankentein's creature" is created with such care and ability, that viewing it is really a pleasure.
NO TRADES! ( I have not authorization, so , please, do not ask for it).

[Cartman]

This copy is the same one used in the Disney Treasures set ( perfectly restored), than, thanks to the ability of this cartoon collector, it uses the original footage of the sequence in which the wolf is disguised as a Jewish ( with original soundtrack), then returns to the restored footage.

The version on the WDT Silly Symphony set uses the edited version shown on the Disney Channel and on most videos.

[Brundledan]

The version on the WDT Silly Symphony set uses the edited version shown on the Disney Channel and on most videos.

One of the sets (I forget which) does include the original footage in some mini-documentary.

It's not hard to understand why Disney didn't put the original version on the SILLY SYMPHONIES set. They've had enough Walt-was-anti-Semitic charges to put down already.

-Dan

[Duck Dodgers]

The version on the WDT Silly Symphony set uses the edited version shown on the Disney Channel and on most videos.

I know. In fact, as I pointed, this collector introduced, at the correct point, the original footage/soundtrack, then the cartoon returns to use the restored " Disney Treasures" footage.

[Duck Dodgers]

One unknown piece of animation that I would like to find is "Pepito's Serenade" by John Sutherland, with story by Frank Tashlin.

[Sogturtle]

One unknown piece of animation that I would like to find is "Pepito's Serenade" by John Sutherland, with story by Frank Tashlin.

Andrea/Duck Dodgers~

Welllllll I'd like to find "Pepito's Serenade" too;) As well as Tashlin's other Sutherland films "The Lady Said No" and "Choo Choo Amigo". The first one made was actually "The Lady Said No" and its credits do reveal that Tashlin was the director and the writer (while "Pepito's Serenade" was Tash's last for Sutherland). As the story goes the films were lost long, long ago in a fire in the late 1940's (though I find it hard to believe that). Mark Kausler was known to have a FRAGMENT of "The Lady Said No" which included the credits, and that confirmed Tashlin's direction and story. All of these were stop motion cartoons (like the Puppetoons) but done with wax dolls!

In a VERY similar vein would be Tashlin's "The Way Of Peace":D, which I'd also love to have.

And while in a Sutherland for United Artists mood, a copy of George Gordon's "The Fatal Kiss" (done in cel animation, by the great Irv Spence and Pete Burness) would be unbelievably welcome!;) [Coming just before the Sutherland economic films released by MGM, "The Fatal Kiss" is a missing link in George Gordon's career].

[Duck Dodgers]

And while in a Sutherland for United Artists mood, a copy of George Gordon's "The Fatal Kiss" (done in cel animation, by the great Irv Spence and Pete Burness) would be unbelievably welcome!;) [Coming just before the Sutherland economic films released by MGM, "The Fatal Kiss" is a missing link in George Gordon's career].


Is this the same George Gordon that directed a few one-shot cartoons at MGM as well as some Barney Bear cartoons?

[Timber Wolf]

Is this the same George Gordon that directed a few one-shot cartoons at MGM as well as some Barney Bear cartoons?
I'm almost sure it is.

[Sogturtle]

Is this the same George Gordon that directed a few one-shot cartoons at MGM as well as some Barney Bear cartoons?

Duck Dodgers and Timber Wolf~

Yep indeed-y, it is indeed George Gordon from MGM (who also got to direct a few cartoons alongside Friz Freleng back when Bill Hanna and Bob Allen were fired from directing). And tis the same George Gordon who co-directed a whole raft of cartoons with Mannie Davis at Terrytoons in 1936-'37. And who... (well you get the general idea;):p)