View Full Version : Iranian official blames Jews for Tom and Jerry
Martin Juneau
02-26-2006, 11:02 PM
Just watch the video. That's completely idiot!!
http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=1049
(paraphrasing) "The Jew Walt Disney created Tom & Jerry."
Racist pig.
cbrubaker
02-26-2006, 11:52 PM
Gee...where to begin...
The fact that Walt Disney has absolutley NO INVOLVEMENT with "Tom and Jerry"...ever...and the fact that Disney wasn't Jewish (probably confusing with Friz Freleng, who worked at Disney, but he too didn't have involvement with Tom and Jerry)...
I've read statements on cartoons that had false information, but this guy takes the cake...
Tom Stathes
02-27-2006, 12:00 AM
I couldn't help but laugh at how wrong his facts were as far as the creation of Tom & Jerry are concerned. Also, his idea that this cartoon was aimed at erasing the "dirty mice'' terminology is utterly extravagant.
-Tom
Chooch
02-27-2006, 12:03 AM
Uh.... now why would Walt have to create a Jerry Mouse when he already had ol' what's-his-name. :mickey: :jerry:
Studio Toledo
02-27-2006, 12:09 AM
Gee...where to begin...
The fact that Walt Disney has absolutley NO INVOLVEMENT with "Tom and Jerry"...ever...and the fact that Disney wasn't Jewish (probably confusing with Friz Freleng, who worked at Disney, but he too didn't have involvement with Tom and Jerry)...
I've read statements on cartoons that had false information, but this guy takes the cake...
You just wanna bash your head in after hearing this guy's statement!
RetroMan
02-27-2006, 12:59 AM
Martin, how did you find this??
It's people like these that make me wonder why humanity is still alive.... dem doity nazis.
Studio Toledo
02-27-2006, 01:06 AM
Martin, how did you find this??
It's people like these that make me wonder why humanity is still alive.... dem doity nazis.
The site pointed above has some interesting footage of a few other Islamic fundabmentalist propaganda, such as the few cartoons that aired last year in Iranian TV that encourage suicide bombing and other so-caled Allah-sanctioned activities.
Sogturtle
02-27-2006, 01:14 AM
Anybody have any doubt why neither we (the U.S.), the Europeans, or Israel, EVER want the Iranians to get nuclear weapons? Their leadership is looney as can be, and thoroughly dangerous.
JDWeil
02-27-2006, 05:56 AM
Pardon me for posting so late. I just stopped laughing.
Sniffles12
02-27-2006, 06:06 AM
...and the fact that Disney wasn't Jewish (probably confusing with Friz Freleng, who worked at Disney, but he too didn't have involvement with Tom and Jerry)...
He is not confused, he is an imbecile-fanatic. :mad:
Dan Porceddu
02-27-2006, 07:41 AM
Anybody have any doubt why neither we (the U.S.), the Europeans, or Israel, EVER want the Iranians to get nuclear weapons? Their leadership is looney as can be, and thoroughly dangerous.
It's unfortunate, but the Iranians probably think the same thing about us.
Duck Dodgers
02-27-2006, 08:14 AM
I've never seen or heard something so stupid! And look at the guy's expressions when he says these incredibly silly things!
He look like he is thinking : " Imagine that! No one ever thought of this! I'm the first one to reveal such amazing theory!Smart! Brains!"
I just don't have the words to describe the stupidit of that man....also considering that Disney was reported having more than a simple admiration for the anti-Jews theories of Hitler.....( the recent Family Guy " Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story" movie spoofed this thing too)
I just don't have the words to describe the stupidit of that man....also considering that Disney was reported having more than a simple admiration for the anti-Jews theories of Hitler.....( the recent Family Guy " Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story" movie spoofed this thing too)
People just want to see an evil side to everyone. I stopped watching or caring about Family Guy when they did that incredibly mean-spirited and uninformed joke. Though their gag with Harriet Tubman getting it on with Gwyneth Paltrow is about the most tasteless and insulting thing to ever make it on television...
FleischerFan
02-27-2006, 08:53 AM
Well, I started to count the outright lies and distortions in this guys speech but gave up - they were flying so thick and so fast.
I also can't say what was more chilling, the venom and racism calmly spewing from this guy's mouth or the classroom full of young adults taking notes and soaking up everything he was saying without question.
Especially revealing was how he slyly blamed Jewish people for Hitler's behavior. Hitler, in his eyes, was simply reacting to the "mice" of Europe.
Funny, I always thought that American filmmakers were interested in making money - not in changing the perception of mice in the European community.
Film comedy has always featured the triumph of the smart little guy against the big, cruel, but not as bright bad guy (Charlie Chaplin, Mickey vs. Peg-Leg Pete, etc.). The mouse is small - the cat is large. Nobody in a film audience roots for the bully (with the exceptionof this guy).
Unfortunately, this guy qualifies as the big, cruel, but not very bright guy.
Side issue: anybody besides me get ticked whenever anyone attributes EVERYTHING in animation to Walt Disney? Like there was only one studio that ever made cartoons?
Sogturtle
02-27-2006, 09:18 AM
It's unfortunate, but the Iranians probably think the same thing about us.
Dan~
No, no, no... Far, far worse... They view us as (in their words) "The Great Satan".
Now knowing THAT'S how they view US and how this character and his government views Israel and Jewish people, what does that tell us about what the Iranians want and plan to do...?:eek: :eek:
Larry T
02-27-2006, 10:36 AM
Before I go any further, keep in mind this bait-and-switch philosophy:
The best way to distract the attention off of one's own doings is to redirect it to another point of interest.
My best friend is Iranian, and he almost will never admit it to anyone- because of the impressions made by people like these. He emigrated some 15 years ago to escape the nutbar radical theories of 'professors' such as this man, because they put everyone's lives in danger. (By the way, any professor who reduces oneself to use the words 'kick his ass' in a lecture has already risen quesiton as to his authenticity, IMHO...besides, he can't get get his facts straight before making an accusation.)
About the mentality of the people from whence he came, these are my friend's own words to me:
"Many people from my country are born learning to fight, and it doesn't matter with who. If it's not someone political, nor within one's own family, it will be a fight with the people who live on the other side of the street, because of their home addresses. And much of the fighting is based on misinterpretation of religious idealologies- a man can shoot another man at point blank and justify it by saying, 'My (God) wants me to do this'.
....Keep in mind that I come from a third world country- populated with angry, uneducated villagers who are easy to lead.....
An 8-year-old can identify every type of gun available.... a 10-year-old knows how to use them all."
I did not paraphrase anything my friend said, these are his own words- which I keep in mind when reading articles like this one.
And one more thing- Mr. Bolkhari didn't say anything about the Muslim/Islamic-themed cartoons and propagandandic media that some people, (myself included) have been able to view.
Miss Marnie
02-27-2006, 10:43 AM
(paraphrasing) "The Jew Walt Disney created Tom & Jerry."
Racist pig.
And idiotic. Wasn't Tom and Jerry created by Hanna-Barbera, who led the way for poor TV animation until The Simpsons wrested them of the title in 1989.
Ray Pointer
02-27-2006, 11:07 AM
But most of all, neither Walt Disney, Bill Hanna, or Joe Barbera were Jews. Disney and Hanna were Protestant Christians, and Joe was Catholic. Isn't it a shame that such unqualified people get "ink" while those who are really in the know are too often ignored?:mickey: :tomcat: :jerry:
Brundledan
02-27-2006, 11:55 AM
I had to read that transcript several times to even begin to find any coherence in it.
The irony is that the myth of Walt's own anti-Semitism has been spread for so long that many people today accept it as conventional wisdom. And now all of a sudden his organization was "the Jewish Walt Disney Company". One would like to think that the hatemongers on both extremes would cancel one another out.
Forgetting even the fact that Professor Hasan (I could make a really tasteless reference to ALI BABA BUNNY here but I'm not going to) mangles the histories of two different cartoon studios, if The Worldwide Jewish Conspiracy had created Jerry the Mouse in order to "rehabilitate" the image of the Jews, you'd think it would have done it well before 1940, by which time it was pretty damned late to help them in Europe.
The most chilling thing of all is Hasan's gracious admittance that some of the Holocaust did indeed happen. "We do not deny all of it."
"Looney tunes", indeed.
-Dan
Brundledan
02-27-2006, 12:11 PM
Especially revealing was how he slyly blamed Jewish people for Hitler's behavior. Hitler, in his eyes, was simply reacting to the "mice" of Europe.
As most of us probably know, Hitler banned Mickey in Germany.... I believe his exact quote regarding the Mouse was that he was "the most miserable ideal ever conceived". And now, 70 years later, here comes a guy spewing rhetoric calmer but not substantially different from Hitler's.... again, over a cartoon mouse. (The Islamists don't seem to have had a very good month in the cartoon department.)
Side issue: anybody besides me get ticked whenever anyone attributes EVERYTHING in animation to Walt Disney? Like there was only one studio that ever made cartoons?
This nutjob aside, it's not difficult for people to make that assumption these days, given the determination of so many studios (Universal, Paramount, Columbia) to bury their animated history, the fact that MGM has not existed in any substantial capacity for several decades, and the general dominance of Disney in the public mind, to the extent that people think it created everything from "Alice in Wonderland" to "Winnie the Pooh". (It burns me up every time I hear TOY STORY referred to as "a Disney film").
-Dan
dendawg
02-27-2006, 03:34 PM
Wasn't Tom and Jerry created by Hanna-Barbera, who led the way for poor TV animation until The Simpsons wrested them of the title in 1989.
Hanna-Barbera's work was bad because of budget.
Chooch
02-27-2006, 03:57 PM
Hanna-Barbera's work was bad because of budget.
FYI, "limited" does not necessarily equal "bad."
ohmahaaha
02-27-2006, 07:25 PM
This article is better left ignored; the only reason it got any press is because of the controversy over cartoons in Islamic countries over the last several weeks.
Gordan
02-27-2006, 07:56 PM
Does anyone speak this guy's language here? If so, is the English translation correct? If it is, this guy is a complete imbecile. His theory is sooooo idiotic. Even if Walt Disney had been a Jew, and even if his studio had produced Tom and Jerry (most basic empirical errors), the logic behind this guy's argument is unbelievably arbitrary.
Sultan
02-27-2006, 09:06 PM
It's unfortunate, but the Iranians probably think the same thing about us.
then the Iranians are WRONG!
Leviathan
02-27-2006, 09:23 PM
Hanna-Barbera's work was bad because of budget.
Hanna Barbera's cartoon weren't bad because of budgets. It's because about 95% of Hanna Barbera's TV Output can be neatly categorized into the Following categories
- Genuine Classics (Flintstones, Jetsons, Yogi Bear, Huckleberry Hound, Top Cat, Johnny Quest, Quick Draw McGraw, Ruff and Reddy, and maybe Wacky Races)
-Shameless Clones of their most current success (Jabberjaw, Spped Buggy, and most of their "I-cant-believe-it's-not-Scooby Doo" shows from the 1970's)
- Laughably weak "action cartoons" and superhero cartoons (Most of their Late-60's Output, with such "masterpieces" as Space Ghost Dino Boy, Shazzam, The Mighty Mightors and a bunch of other even worse shows)
-Poorly-Executed Spinoffs/Revivals of Good Cartoons/Comics (Eco Yogi, Nonviolent Tom and Jerry, Teenaged Pebbles and Bamm-Bamm, Superfriends, Josie and The Pussycats and The Addams Family retooled as Scooby-Doo Knockoffs, the list goes on and on)
-Hanna Barbera Kids (Flintstone Kids, Yo, Yogi! Tom and Jerry Kids, A Pup Named Scooby Doo)
- Filler (Atom Ant, Secret Squirrel, Peter Potamus, Magillia Gorilla, and any other H-B show not falling into any of the other categories)
And theres the other 5% (consisting of "quality cartoons" such as the Gary Coleman show) which are so appalingly awful that they defy description.
corey3rd
02-27-2006, 09:47 PM
who would ever go to an Iranian for animation facts? I'd rather ask this guy for his favorite pork chop recipes.
Banned Bunny
02-27-2006, 09:53 PM
This article is better left ignored; the only reason it got any press is because of the controversy over cartoons in Islamic countries over the last several weeks.
The entire point of that website is to show the anti-semitism on Iraninan TV by translating it to English - it is not a pro-Iranian website !
CueBallCat79
02-28-2006, 12:14 AM
FYI, "limited" does not necessarily equal "bad."
No, but limited doesnt mean characters have to talk CONSTANTLY. I stay far away from the Wally Gator, Magilla Gorilla and the like when they air on Boomerang. Although there is always some action, the characters never shut up for a second. Especially Wally Gator. And it's always the corniest dialouge. It's crazy how the very same people who turned out Tom and Jerry would end up putting out stuff like this.
This probably isnt the best thread to vent about this, so I'll stop.
Dan Porceddu
02-28-2006, 04:33 AM
I don't think this thread is going anywhere good, so it's locked, but if the people discussing Hanna-Barbera and limited animation wish to continue the topic, feel free to create a new thread for it.
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