Help on "Plane Dippy"

[Jeff]

BCDB lists the date for this short as Jan 4, 1936. A couple other sites on the internet list the date as April 30, 1936. Can anyone give me the correct date (and your source)?

Also, there's been some wikipedia editing on the entry for Beans The Cat and the user is stating that Beans co-starred with Porky in this short. I scanned through the film and could only find one scene in which the corner of Beans' head shows up. The other editor claims he just watched the cartoon - so I'm a little confused.

[Sogturtle]

BCDB lists the date for this short as Jan 4, 1936. A couple other sites on the internet list the date as April 30, 1936. Can anyone give me the correct date (and your source)?


Jeff~

Welllll I'll just confuse the issue a little bit more for you...;):D.

According to Steve Schneider, "Plane Dippy" was released Jan. 4, 1936 (and that is almost certainly the source of the date on BCDB). Where Schneider got that date I don't know. The April 30, 1936 date though IS the COPYRIGHT DATE (my source was checking all through the U.S. Copyright Catalog back in 1977-78). And our friends Mr. Beck and Mr. Friedwald list the April 30, 1936 date in their book as the date of release (sooooo that's obviously the source of your other sites on the internet)... Nooooo I'm not saying anybody is wrong!!:)

However I told ya that story in order to tell this one...:daffy: The date that I finally found listed for the release of "Plane Dippy" was (as memory serves) in a trade mag. release list, but right now I can't tell you the exact issue and page number... Anywho... the date that THEY listed for release of that cartoon was (wait for it;)...) Dec. 21, 1935!! And the trade mags source would've been Warner Bros... (And so that's the date I've always gone by:cool:.)

[And NOOOOO we WON'T go into "Golddiggers of '49" right now!]:bugs2:

[JDWeil]

BCDB lists the date for this short as Jan 4, 1936. A couple other sites on the internet list the date as April 30, 1936. Can anyone give me the correct date (and your source)?

Also, there's been some wikipedia editing on the entry for Beans The Cat and the user is stating that Beans co-starred with Porky in this short. I scanned through the film and could only find one scene in which the corner of Beans' head shows up. The other editor claims he just watched the cartoon - so I'm a little confused.

Beans did not appear in this short but Kitty did.

[J Lee]

The lack of the zooming shiled at the start of "Plane Dippy" makes either the January release date or Tim's pre-Christmas 1935 release date the more logical. By April of 1936, Schlesinger's cartoons had mirrored the new 1935 opening of the feature films with the zooming WB logo, which neither "Plane Dippy" (nor Tex's "Golddiggers of '49") have.

[Jeff]

Beans did not appear in this short but Kitty did.

There is a shot of Beans' head in the foreground on one scene when a crowd is beginning to form around the dog.

[David Gerstein]

I don't have the cartoon on hand to look at. But doesn't Beans—in an air force uniform—walk right through one scene, drawing a dotted line on the floor for the spinning Porky to move across?

[Thad]

I don't have the cartoon on hand to look at. But doesn't Beans—in an air force uniform—walk right through one scene, drawing a dotted line on the floor for the spinning Porky to move across?

Yep, that's what he does!:bosko:

-Thad

[Greg Method]

According to Steve Schneider, "Plane Dippy" was released Jan. 4, 1936 (and that is almost certainly the source of the date on BCDB). Where Schneider got that date I don't know.
According to "That's all Folks!", his dates came from Warner Bros.' original release sheets...how or why that differs from the trade magazine's source I'm not sure.

[Sogturtle]

According to "That's all Folks!", his dates came from Warner Bros.' original release sheets...how or why that differs from the trade magazine's source I'm not sure.

Greg~

That is the key issue... I saw a number of times where Warner Bros. would give varying release dates to trade-mags of the day...:eek: But this was evidently to reflect changes in Warner's release schedule over a several week period. And on a few occasions Warner's NEVER gave them any release date for a film(s)! I think it's another case of one hand (of Warner's) not knowing what the other is doing.

Buuuuut the trade-mag release dates IS the what and when that Warner's was telling the theater owners to expect... Meaning that the dates listed in the trade mags would be when the theater owners would start expecting to see such-and-such cartoon.

Lastly... We know that Tex Avery was hired in May 1935, meaning that his first Schlesinger cartoons would've been finished and ready for release in Nov. and Dec. 1935. And Leon would've been chompin' at the bits, wanting to know as soon as possible how his newest investment was working out. ...Meaning as early a release as possible so as to determine whether to keep Tex (and Universal animators).:)

[Addenda... I just checked this out... Author Graham Webb being British ALMOST always put British release dates in HIS book... Intriguingly, he has listed Dec. 21, 1935 as the date of release of "Plane Dippy" as well!:eek:]

[Jeff]

I don't have the cartoon on hand to look at. But doesn't Beans—in an air force uniform—walk right through one scene, drawing a dotted line on the floor for the spinning Porky to move across?

Wow - Missed that, thanks!

[Jeff]

So based on a couple of the arguments in this thread, I'm assuming the April 1936 date is wrong and that it's either Jan 1936 or Dec 1935. At the very least, this cartoon is NOT the last appearance of Beans the Cat ("Westward Whoa" is).

Agreed?

[Sogturtle]

So based on a couple of the arguments in this thread, I'm assuming the April 1936 date is wrong and that it's either Jan 1936 or Dec 1935. At the very least, this cartoon is NOT the last appearance of Beans the Cat ("Westward Whoa" is).

Agreed?

Jeff~

We can pretty much agree that the April 1936 date was the copyright date and NOT the real release date. We can pretty much agree that the REAL release date was either the Dec. 21, 1935 or the Jan. 4, 1936 date.

But with both the U.S. trade mags showing release in the U.S. on Dec. 21 and Graham Webb having the same date we can PROBABLY put the Dec. date down as very, very probable (despite Steve Schneider's claim of his dates having come directly from Warner's...)