OT: KFRC 99.7 Dropping "Old" Oldies On Friday

[musicradio77]

From Brad Kava:

Starting at noon Friday, San Francisco oldies radio station KFRC-FM (99.7) will drop the format its had for a dozen years and start focusing on an audience it says has been ignored for too long: the people some are calling "Generation Jones," 38-49 year olds who were too young to be "Baby Boomers" and too old to be "Generation Xers."

With its first song, "One of These Nights," by the Eagles, the station will leave behind most of the music of the 1950s and 1960s, in favor of what was big in 1975.

"That's right in the center of the audience," says Infinity Broadcasting vice president and market manager Doug Harvill, who is overseeing the change. "If you are 45 today, you were born in 1960 and you were 15 in 1975. That's the age when kids are typically getting into music."

Harvill says the move is "a logical progression of what this station is about."

Harvill is staking a different claim, trying to play much of what KFRC would have played in 1975, with a list that includes Fleetwood Mac, the Commodores, Elton John, Billy Joel, and also ventures back to the Beatles and Marvin Gaye, and forward to Huey Lewis, Eurythmics and Cyndi Lauper.

"This won't be nostalgia," says Harvill. "It will be a fun station, bright and upbeat. This is a generation that still lives for today."

The station will keep its morning show with Cammy Blackstone and Dean Goss, and will keep Sue Hall in middays. It will be looking for new personalites for afternoon drive and evenings.

[Geezil]

If I posted what I'm thinking right now about KFRC and Infinity "Woops! We Did It Again" Broadcasting, it'd probably earn me a warning from the mods.

May KFRC be immediately countered by a rising local "old" oldies station on AM and the Internet, as has happily occurred in recent months in metro New York.

[musicradio77]

If I posted what I'm thinking right now about KFRC and Infinity "Woops! We Did It Again" Broadcasting, it'd probably earn me a warning from the mods.

May KFRC be immediately countered by a rising local "old" oldies station on AM and the Internet, as has happily occurred in recent months in metro New York.

Yep! it's so sad to see KFRC out of its oldies market. It is the first time since CBS-FM (another Infinity/Viacom station) flipped from oldies to "Jack!" back in early June. Back in late March, KFRC dropped its oldies simulcast on 99.7 to what it's now called "Family Radio" on the Big 610 or the Legendary 610 where they were playing inspirational music and shows. This is also the first time since 1974 where WWDJ in Hackensack NJ, flipped from Top 40 to inspiration because they were too many power house stations in New York City like WABC, WNBC, WPIX-FM and WXLO (aka 99X). I used to listen to KFRC when I was vacationing in California 9 years ago.

[corey3rd]

this is why you are supposed to buy an iPod and create you own radio station with the ability to store more singles than any radio station has in rotation. All radio can do is disappoint you.

[mbaker]

Is it any wonder why i don't listen to most music stations these days.

[hoops30011]

I think it's a shame they just rip a program off the air and do no give the public a say in it. I listened to KFRC on my way to work for traffic reports plus I liked listening to the host from 5am to 10.

[Geezil]

Kindly keep in mind that reviving any threads more than two weeks old (or in this case, over a year old) runs counter to the GAC Forums General Rules of Conduct (http://forums.goldenagecartoons.com/announcement.php?f=3&announcementid=11) (#3, to be exact). Much obliged. :)

[The Silver Fox]

Here in southern colorado
KSPZ FM 92.9, changed there format
from Oldies (which they been since 1988, after there
top pops format flopped in the mid 80's), to
a mix of late 70's to 00's mix.
Which leaves only KDZA FM 107.9 as the last
oldies statio in the Souther Colorado area.

Most modern formats also in this area are failing
as well, such as Rap and other modern formats.
college station that taylored to Gen X and Y, recently changed to a modern pop station after playing hard rock for 5 years.
By the way what is our age group called that was born between 69 and 76, tecanally, its not a baby boomer or Gen xer, (gen X from what i read is anyone born between 78 and 87).

[Studio Toledo]

Kindly keep in mind that reviving any threads more than two weeks old (or in this case, over a year old) runs counter to the GAC Forums General Rules of Conduct (http://forums.goldenagecartoons.com/announcement.php?f=3&announcementid=11) (#3, to be exact). Much obliged. :)
I'm just glad I had the chance to delete my latests post here anyway, but yeah, you hardly notice when these came from unless you don't pay attention to the dates.

[Studio Toledo]

Here in southern colorado
KSPZ FM 92.9, changed there format
from Oldies (which they been since 1988, after there
top pops format flopped in the mid 80's), to
a mix of late 70's to 00's mix.
Which leaves only KDZA FM 107.9 as the last
oldies statio in the Souther Colorado area.

Most modern formats also in this area are failing
as well, such as Rap and other modern formats.
college station that taylored to Gen X and Y, recently changed to a modern pop station after playing hard rock for 5 years.
By the way what is our age group called that was born between 69 and 76, tecanally, its not a baby boomer or Gen xer, (gen X from what i read is anyone born between 78 and 87).
Heh, I was born in '77, so does that put me between Gen X and Baby Boomer? :p

[gilligan fanati]

For a second I thought musicradio was back

[Mark J]

Gen X is Americans born between 1960 and 1980. It is called X as a Roman Numeral shorthand for 10, since this is the 10th American generation born since the American Revolution. Generations are always a 20 year span, starting and ending on even numbers. We are now in the 12th generation, those born between 2000 and 2020.

[David Gerstein]

Hah! I like modern music, but (as anyone can see from my web pages!) my favorite "oldies" were recorded between 1895 and 1915! In fact, I know only one (http://wfmu.org/) radio station in the country that still devotes considerable time to a selection (http://wfmu.org/playlists/AP) of such (http://wfmu.org/playlists/te) material (http://wfmu.org/playlists/OC).

[Studio Toledo]

Hah! I like modern music, but (as anyone can see from my web pages!) my favorite "oldies" were recorded between 1895 and 1915! In fact, I know only one (http://wfmu.org/) radio station in the country that still devotes considerable time to a selection (http://wfmu.org/playlists/AP) of such (http://wfmu.org/playlists/te) material (http://wfmu.org/playlists/OC).
Yeah, I only wish more of that could be heard elsewhere! Seems like the more years that follow, the less likely you ever hear of the previous generation's tunes.

[Sogturtle]

Gen X is Americans born between 1960 and 1980. It is called X as a Roman Numeral shorthand for 10, since this is the 10th American generation born since the American Revolution. Generations are always a 20 year span, starting and ending on even numbers. We are now in the 12th generation, those born between 2000 and 2020.

Mark~

It's actually a little more involved than that... It's been discovered that reproductive generations VARY in length, and here in America that's become quite evident. Some are indeed 20 years, others 25. In some cases they surpass 30 and even go all the way to age 40!! When families were quite large it was extremely common for there to be 16 to 25 year age difference between oldest child and youngest child in a family.:eek: My mother's oldest brother was 16 years older than her, and this was indeed quite common. Example of her American paternal ancestors' years of birth, 1744, 1767, 1801, 1830, 1849, 1884... Sooooo there you have generations of 23, 34, 29, 19 and 34 years:eek:. And only 4 of those listed are after the American Revolution.

If you care for a final personal example:bugs2:... my grandfather was 37 at marriage, 38 when first son was born, and 40 when my father was hatched;). My dad was just a boy of 36:D when I came along... Thus my paternal genealogy would actually lack AT LEAST TWO generations by a 20 year standard.

[Then there was my maternal uncle who was 21 when his first child was born and 60 when the last one came along:eek:].

[Jon Cooke]

Hah! I like modern music, but (as anyone can see from my web pages!) my favorite "oldies" were recorded between 1895 and 1915! In fact, I know only one (http://wfmu.org/) radio station in the country that still devotes considerable time to a selection (http://wfmu.org/playlists/AP) of such (http://wfmu.org/playlists/te) material (http://wfmu.org/playlists/OC).

There's a 1000 watt radio station here in Maine, WYAR 88.3 (http://www.wyar.org/) , that plays an amazing selection of vintage music. :cool:

Sadly, they don't stream on the Internet.

[J. B. Warner]

this is why you are supposed to buy an iPod and create you own radio station with the ability to store more singles than any radio station has in rotation. All radio can do is disappoint you.

This is the mentality to which I owe the birth of my Top 300 Favorite Songs List (still periodically expanding) which I've mentioned on a number of the other forums I frequent. When the radio stations pull boneheaded moves, simply take thine business elsewhere.

And the amazing thing is, even though I was spawned from the 11th generation (1980-2000), every last song on my list comes from the era of classic rock (1960-1989). Well, except "I Can't Dance" by Genesis and "Cryin'" by Aerosmith (1991 and 1993, respectively), but that was before 1996 - or, as I call it, "The Year Popular Music Hit the Skids".

(Sorry if I went off on a tangent there, but I do love to discuss music.)

[Mark J]

Mark~

It's actually a little more involved than that... It's been discovered that reproductive generations VARY in length, and here in America that's become quite evident. Some are indeed 20 years, others 25. In some cases they surpass 30 and even go all the way to age 40!! When families were quite large it was extremely common for there to be 16 to 25 year age difference between oldest child and youngest child in a family.:eek: My mother's oldest brother was 16 years older than her, and this was indeed quite common. Example of her American paternal ancestors' years of birth, 1744, 1767, 1801, 1830, 1849, 1884... Sooooo there you have generations of 23, 34, 29, 19 and 34 years:eek:. And only 4 of those listed are after the American Revolution.

If you care for a final personal example:bugs2:... my grandfather was 37 at marriage, 38 when first son was born, and 40 when my father was hatched;). My dad was just a boy of 36:D when I came along... Thus my paternal genealogy would actually lack AT LEAST TWO generations by a 20 year standard.

[Then there was my maternal uncle who was 21 when his first child was born and 60 when the last one came along:eek:].


Sog - that's definitely true for genealogy - there is no rigid generational constructs in real families. I don't have a family with a long American background (I'm second generation born US), but I know from experience - my mother was 36 when I was born (I was her first child), her father was 33 when she was born, his mother was 39 when he was born (she had her first child at 31 at a time when the average Galician Polish Jewish woman was having her first child at 20-22), and she had a sister who had more than 10 children born between 1877 and 1900, spanning over a generation whereby the eldest children had their own children the same age as their youngest siblings. The older family I'm discussing wasn't US born, but still broke standard constructs and my FamilyTree Maker's program lists the births of the 10 children as an error since they are over more than a 20 year span! My g-grandmother listed above was born 109 years before me and my grandfather born 71 years before me, which also belies any average generational construct.

I was discussing the historical construct of a generation in American history as used by Arthur Schlessinger etc. which is where the term Generation X derives and which sets the years 1960-1980 as American Generation 10. It's rather arbitrary and has no real life meaning, only for general statistics and trends, but it has been picked up by popular culture and the origins of the term have become muddied and confused. Someone above mentioned that Generation X spanned 1978 to 1987 and 9 years is not a generation by anyone's definition!!! I don't think many nine year olds were having children at that time. I was commenting on that statement and forgot to quote it in my earlier comment.

[Geezil]

this is why you are supposed to buy an iPod and create you own radio station with the ability to store more singles than any radio station has in rotation. All radio can do is disappoint you.

Yep, and the more things change, the more they stay the same as in, oh, 1984:

"all we hear is radio ga ga..." (http://www.queenwords.com/lyrics/songs/sng19_03.shtml) :(

[Sogturtle]

Yep, and the more things change, the more they stay the same as in, oh, 1984:


Or Geez ifffff you want a musical take on it all, there's Johnny Rivers lyric, "the only thing that's permanent is CHANGE" ;)
(song "Permanent Change" album "Home Grown" 1971, United Artists Records)

[Sogturtle]

Sog - that's definitely true for genealogy - there is no rigid generational constructs in real families. ....The older family I'm discussing wasn't US born, but still broke standard constructs and my FamilyTree Maker's program lists the births of the 10 children as an error since they are over more than a 20 year span! My g-grandmother listed above was born 109 years before me and my grandfather born 71 years before me, which also belies any average generational construct.

I was discussing the historical construct of a generation in American history as used by Arthur Schlessinger etc. which is where the term Generation X derives and which sets the years 1960-1980 as American Generation 10. It's rather arbitrary and has no real life meaning, only for general statistics and trends, but it has been picked up by popular culture and the origins of the term have become muddied and confused. Someone above mentioned that Generation X spanned 1978 to 1987 and 9 years is not a generation by anyone's definition!!! I don't think many nine year olds were having children at that time. I was commenting on that statement and forgot to quote it in my earlier comment.

Mark~

Okay, I appreciate the distinction:) between "real" generations and Arthur Schlessinger's twisted idea of generations. But the point is then borne home that the idea promulgated by Schlessinger of 20 year generations (of any stripe) are basically strange arbitrary fabrications of his own mind. And essentially of no real LASTING value to anyone (i.e. pretty much totally worthless). :)