Plane Daffy edit question

[rodney]

I just picked up a 16mm AAP print of Plane Daffy. The problem is.......there's either a really choppy edit or a fair splice near the end, that pretty much ruins the cartoon for me.

Here's the way it runs on my projector........Daffy swallows the "secret", Mata Hari tosses him onto the x-ray machine, and then daffy jumps out and says "They lose more darn nutzis that way!" Does anyone know anything else about a possible edit like this? I know that TNT and CN edited the cartoon in a similar way, but this is on Eastman film, so this particular print dates before the early 80's.

[Cartman]

You must be referring to the sequence in which Hitler, Goebbles, and Goehring see the "secret" and Hitler says it's no secret. Then Goebbles and Goehring say "Ja! Everybody knows that!" The then realize what they've said and shoot themselves in the head.

[rodney]

Yeah, that's the scene. Does anyone know if it was edited in the 70's?

[J Lee]

When it was in syndication, the edit depended on the local station. WNEW in New York censored the entire cartoon, and all other WWII cartoons, apparently because of the number of Holocaust survivors and their families living in the area who might not find Hitler funny. On the other hand, other stations around the country never had any problem running those shorts, or even some of the "Censored 11" cartoon into the mid-1980s.

WTBS aired the cartoon uncut until 1987 to cable systems across the nation, until they began running the new edited version they received off the MGM/UA "Vidde-Oh!" dubs, after Ted Turner acquired the AAP library of pre-48 WB films. The less regional and the more national Turner and his people felt their company was, the more censored the cartoons became, in oder to meet the stricter standards of markets like New York, Washington and Los Angeles.

[RingDestruction]

Plane Daffy was on Boomerang the firct day I got it. It included the scene with Hitler and his generals, but they censored the actual shooting. Hitler says "That's no secret", then his generals say "Ja, everybody knows that", right after that, they cut to Daffy saying "They lose more darn Nutzis that way".

[rodney]

I decided to return it. Not much sense in keeping it.

[dnestorjr]

Here is a pic to help everyone know what you all are talking about

[Bartman]

I just picked up a 16mm AAP print of Plane Daffy. The problem is.......there's either a really choppy edit or a fair splice near the end, that pretty much ruins the cartoon for me.

Here's the way it runs on my projector........Daffy swallows the "secret", Mata Hari tosses him onto the x-ray machine, and then daffy jumps out and says "They lose more darn nutzis that way!" Does anyone know anything else about a possible edit like this? I know that TNT and CN edited the cartoon in a similar way, but this is on Eastman film, so this particular print dates before the early 80's.

Rod:

It is an AAP print, therefore a TV print. The station that acquired that particular print when it was in syndication must have edited out the entire Hitler scene altogether since WWII had been over for 12 years when the TV print was struck in 1957 (or so the AAP title card says...)

That's the best explanation I can muster up. Glad you plan on sending it back!

[Miss Marnie]

Here's the way it runs on my projector........Daffy swallows the "secret", Mata Hari tosses him onto the x-ray machine, and then daffy jumps out and says "They lose more darn nutzis that way!" Does anyone know anything else about a possible edit like this?


Like everyone here has said, the part cut was where Goerring and Goebbles shoot themselves in the head after the gag with the "Hitler Is A Stinker" secret. I remember CN airing this cartoon at 3 am on "Bugs and Daffy" and it was edited like that. Incidentally (and ironically), this censored scene did air on the Toonheads special about WWII cartoons as part of a montage near the end where a narrator was explaining that most WWII cartoons can't be seen today because of the outdated content and the stereotypes of Japanese people and Nazis (particularly Hitler)