Identifying Redrawn Colorized Cartoons - Radio and Television Packagers

[Pietro]

Recently, Richard Jebe (YPSmitGimmick) and I have been working on identifying all of the redrawn colorized cartoons by "Radio and Television Packagers".

Known:

"Toy Shop" – "We're in the Money" (1933), WB
"Ain't Nature Grand?" – 1931 WB of the same name
"Barnyard Frolic" – "Moonlight for Two" (1931), WB
"Bosko's Woodland Daze" – 1932 WB of the same name
"Country Boy Rabbit" – "The Country Boy" (1935), WB (originally color)
"Magazine Rack" – "I Like Mountain Music" (1933), WB
"Off To The Races" – "Ups 'N Downs" (1931), WB
"On Duty" – "One More Time" (1931), WB
"Accidents Won't Happen" – 1925 Mutt and Jeff of the same name
"The Invisible Revenge" – 1925 Mutt and Jeff of the same name
"Where Am I?" – 1925 Mutt and Jeff of the same name
"Mixing In Mexico" – 1925 Mutt and Jeff of the same name
"Oceans Of Trouble" – 1925 Mutt and Jeff of the same name
"Soda Jerks" – 1925 Mutt and Jeff of the same name
"When Hell Froze Over" – 1926 Mutt and Jeff of the same name
"The Adventures Of Mutt And Jeff And Bugoff" – "Slick Sleuths" (1926), Mutt and Jeff
"Dog Missing" – "Dog Gone" (1926), Mutt and Jeff
"Egyptian Daze" – "Mummy O' Mine" (1926), Mutt and Jeff
"The Mail Pilot" – 1927 Aesop's Film Fable of the same name
"The Under Dog" – 1929 Aesop's Film Fable of the same name
"Tuning In" – 1929 Van Beuren of the same name
"Love Bugs" – "Fly Hi" (1931), Van Beuren
"Art For Art's Sake" – 1934 Van Beuren of the same name
"The Villian Pursues Her" – "Sinister Stuff" (1934), Van Beuren
"Chinese Lanterns" – "Japanese Lanterns" (1935), Van Beuren (originally color)
"Batter Up" – "Play Ball" (1932), Terrytoons
"Spring Cleaning" – "Kiko's Cleaning Day" (1937), Terrytoons
"The Dancing Bear" – 1937 Terrytoon on the same name
"Lumberjack" - "The Saw Mill Mystery" (1937), Terrytoons
"Music And Charm" - "The Villain Still Pursued Her" (1937), Terrytoons
"The Inventor" – "Felix Turns the Tide" (1922), Sullivan
"Sunken Treasure" – "Felix Braves the Briny" (1926), Sullivan
"Misses His Swiss" – "Felix Misses His Swiss" (1926), Sullivan
"Scoots Through Scotland" – "Felix Scoots Through Scotland" (1926), Sullivan
"Mr. Do–All" – "Jack From All Trades" (1927), Sullivan
"Jack Frost" – 1934 Iwerks of the same name (originally color)
"Puss in Boots" – 1934 Iwerks of the same name (originally color)
"The Steadfast Tin Soldier" – "The Brave Tin Soldier" (1934), Iwerks (originally color)
"Cinderella" - "Once Upon a Time" (circa 1937), Audio Productions
"Big City" – 1947 UK Bubbles and Squeek cartoon of the same name

Unidentified:

"They Shall Not Pass" – Mutt and Jeff
"Double Performance" - Unknown
[According to Jerry Beck, 43 R&TVP cartoons were produced. Our list only has 42. If you have the title of the 43rd short then please contact us!]

-Pietro:daffy:

[YPSmitGimmick]

Here some pics from the unidentified cartoons

Big City

[YPSmitGimmick]

Cinderella

[YPSmitGimmick]

The Dancing Bear

Crazy titlecard, isn't it?

[YPSmitGimmick]

Lumberjack

[YPSmitGimmick]

Music and Charm

[YPSmitGimmick]

The Adventures Of Mutt And Jeff And Bugoff

[Tom Stathes]

Egyptian Daze is Mummy O'Mine
Music & Charm as well as Lumberjack are most likely Fanny Zilch Terrytoons.
Dancing Bear is a 1937 Terrytoon of the same title.
Correction: The Under Dog is a circa 1926 silent Aesop's Fable of the same name, NOT the first sound Van Beuren!

More to come if I can figure them out...
-Tom

[Tom Stathes]

I think Big City is a British Bubbles & Squeak cartoon.

Please note that Ladd used many bootleg T.V. prints from Astra T.V., thus we are left with replaced titles and confusion. Good thing we know where they originally came from!
-Tom

[Pietro]

I think Big City is a British Bubbles & Squeak cartoon.

Please note that Ladd used many bootleg T.V. prints from Astra T.V., thus we are left with replaced titles and confusion. Good thing we know where they originally came from!Thanks for the information, Tom!

I updated the list just now.

-Pietro:daffy:

[Tom Stathes]

No problem, Pietro!
Could pictures be posted of They Shall Not Pass and Double Performance?
Thanks,
Tom

[cpdavison]

Recently, Richard Jebe (YPSmitGimmick) and I have been working on identifying all of the redrawn colorized cartoons by "Radio and Television Packagers".

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Unidentified:

"Lumberjack" - Terrytoons

"Cinderella" - Unknown

-Pietrohttp://www.goldenagecartoons.com/forums/images/smilies/looneytunes/daffy.gif

"Cinderella" looks to be a re-titled, re-colored version of "Once Upon A Time" which was available on "CULTOONS - VOLUME 3" from Snappy video. (Thunderbean is readying a DVD version, so maybe this will be on it.)

Here's the rub: This cartoon was originally produced in color and it looks like these folks retraced a b&w print! Here's what Stanchfield's liner notes have to say:

"An auto safety film made for an insurance company by New York-based Audio Productions... Discourtesy and Carelessness, two monsters, go wilding Nursery Rhyme Land and bring out the self-destructive tendancies in everyone. Psychedelic colors, liquid animation, a brilliant score and a lesson for us all..."

I have a black & white print of "Lumberjack" that is simply titled "Lumberjack" but it is obviously not the original Terry title card. If I'm not mistaken, Puddy the Pup is in the first scene of the cartoon, playing fetch with the heroine.

Hope this helps.

[Tom Stathes]

You're right Craig, Puddy IS in that film!
Long live cute Terry characters!
-Tom

[Pietro]

"Cinderella" looks to be a re-titled, re-colored version of "Once Upon A Time" which was available on "CULTOONS - VOLUME 3" from Snappy video. (Thunderbean is readying a DVD version, so maybe this will be on it.)Thanks Craig!

One more question before I edit my list again - what year was "Once Upon a Time" completed or released?

-Pietro:daffy:

[Sogturtle]

Thanks Craig!

One more question before I edit my list again - what year was "Once Upon a Time" completed or released?

-Pietro:daffy:

Hi Pietro~

Craig appears not to be on right now, so I'll answer... There is no exact year of completion/release for "Once Upon A Time" known of, least that I'm aware of to date. Steve Stanchfield speculated a date of "ca. 1937" on the Cultoons Vol. 3 tape though...

[Pietro]

The list has been updated!

So far we have 39 titles identified out of 43.

-Pietro:daffy:

[Tom Stathes]

I wish I could help further, but we need more screengrabs posted!:)
Tom

[JDWeil]

Here some pics from the unidentified cartoons

Big City

Big City is a "Bubbles & Squeak" short produced in the UK.

[Pietro]

Big City is a "Bubbles & Squeak" short produced in the UK.Ah good, so the title was the same for sure then. I looked into this one a bit and it was apparently released in 1947 (also "Squeak" is spelled as "Squeek").

This now makes for 40/43 titles identified.

The Under Dog is a circa 1926 silent Aesop's FableUpdate: Some further research actually uncovers a later date of March 31, 1929.

-Pietro:daffy:

[Tom Stathes]

Thanks Pietro,That's a little bit of a lazy error on my part. I mix up the dates for the Fables because there doesn't seem to be much of a change in their styles as the era progresses. Although, it's very easy to tell a 1921 Fable apart from a 1929er:bosko:
-Tom

[Ray Pointer]

Before Fred Ladd and Radio and Television Packagers remade the MUTT AND JEFF cartoons in color, a number of them were remade in color as sound releases in, or around 1930. Some of these were SLICK SLEUTHS, WHERE AM I? THE GLOE TROTTERS, and WESTWARD WHOA!. The interesting thing is that, with the exception of the annoying kazoo noise makers for voices, the tracks are rather good, proving that Bud Fisher, the creator of MUTT AND JEFF would have been further ahead to have re-released the original black and white cartoons with added soundtracks, since the animation in these color remakes was just about as bad as the 1970s remakes.

[Tom Stathes]

Mutt & Jeff in Aroma of the South Seas was also remade in Kromocolor circa 1930.

-Tom

[dandu]

Where can we find these on vid and dvd?
Cos i love to see them, i saw a clip on Felix misses swiss and loved spotting all the mistakes.

[Studio Toledo]

Music and Charm
Think I've seen this

[Studio Toledo]

Where can we find these on vid and dvd?
Cos i love to see them, i saw a clip on Felix misses swiss and loved spotting all the mistakes.
I wouldn't recommend it much, but if you have to know, in the 1980s, a video company name "Congress Video Group" released a bunch of these on tape under the "Cartoon Classics" label. These tapes were usually sold in discount stores and other places that got into having bargain bins of PD material. I used to have a few of these myself, but only one of four Mutt & Jeff a Felix cartoons each. The only thing that bugged me royally thinking of it nowadays was the corny background music used for these pieces that can go anywhere from mundane to suddenly evoking memories of shopping at Penny's. Some tracks might also remind people of cheap porno flicks of that era and educational films in schools that went for that trendy dated look once those films kept getting shown up to the 1990's. Not that it matters, but I only wish I had CDs of those tunes again to pound through my brain (the '70s were about being very cynical at everything)!

Here's some scans of a tape cover of one of the tapes I still have...

[Tom Stathes]

Dandu, I have most of the obscure titles (non-WB) if you are interested. Just email me at CartoonsOnFilm@aol.com

(You may know me as Dinky D. Doodle on Jerry Beck's forum.)
-Tom

[dandu]

Unidentified:

"They Shall Not Pass" – Mutt and Jeff
"Double Performance" - Unknown
[According to Jerry Beck, 43 R&TVP cartoons were produced. Our list only has 42. If you have the title of the 43rd short then please contact us!]

-Pietro:daffy:[/QUOTE]

Sorry for reviving an old thread, but the 43rd is Hollywood Capers, not sure if it came by another name or not, but David Gerstein says so.

[Lee Glover]

According to Jerry Beck, 43 R&TVP cartoons were produced. Our list only has 42. If you have the title of the 43rd short then please contact us!

-Pietro:daffy:

Pietro,

I've discovered the elusive 43rd short. It's called "Grampus & Scrappy", and it's a redrawn of a silent Aesop's Fable (starring Farmer Al Falfa). Unfortunately, I don't know the original title.

It's available on a UK DVD, called "Naughty But Mice".

[Lee Glover]

More images taken from "Grampus & Scrappy". Hopefully someone can identify the original cartoon. ;)

[Tom Stathes]

Yikes! This has more twists and turns than I expected, and may be harder to identify by title. We shall see.:o

[cpdavison]

I can tell you that the COMMONWEALTH title card for this cartoon is THE BIG GAME! (Charles sent me some silent Terry cartoons he had taped off of Cartoon Network in Japan!)

If I can, I'll post some screen grabs later in the week.

Craig D.

[Tom Stathes]

October 2nd, 1928. (Barring of course the slight chance this is not truly THE BIG GAME as it appears in the filmography)
Thanks Craig!

[dandu]

More images taken from "Grampus & Scrappy". Hopefully someone can identify the original cartoon. ;)

Man this cartoon looks like it's a lot of fun to watch, I hope you can send me the cartoon in motion. :D It also looks pretty nicely redrawn, i wonder if the animation is as good as the draftmanship.

[Studio Toledo]

Man this cartoon looks like it's a lot of fun to watch, I hope you can send me the cartoon in motion. :D It also looks pretty nicely redrawn, i wonder if the animation is as good as the draftmanship.
I was hoping for some more sloppy camera work personally! GIven that this is a UK tape it's on, it'll probably be sped up by 4% as well given they have to run it at 25fps to match up the PAL standard unless it's a conversion of an NTSC source (I love having to get all techie on this stuff).

After seeing your avatar Dandu, I couldn't help to be reminded of the music in that cartoon again, and finding out who did it and what it was called! Again, being form the KPM library, and being able to find someone who has stuck up MP3's of their needledrop classics online, sections heard in the cartoon are from Keith Mansfield's "Funky Fanfare". Having heard other Mansfield tunes already, I can safely say I'm more inspired by that type of music thanks to having seen these 20 years ago from the few VHS tapes my mom had to get to shut me up on sunday afternoons!

[dandu]

I now have seen "They Shall Not Pass" and it's a mutt and jeff cartoon from 1925 probably, I don't know for sure. I believe it is of the same name since the title card (though redrawn) looks like the original 1920s issue. For those of you who have not seen it, it's about mutt and jeff racing together in a bicycle race.
Now I would love to see "Double Performance"!

[cpdavison]

As promised, here are some screen shots from the Commonwealth B&W print:

[dandu]

For those who has seen these cartoons, what is the best/worst?

The best I've seen are: They Shall Not Pass and Egyptian Daze, great animation and just wonderful music in my opinion.

The worst I've seen are: Puss and Boots and Music and Charm, Chris will love Puss and Boots, the framerate is horrible and also there are lots of holds, check out when the scots dude falls off the wall hes climbing, his bagpipes are zero gravity!

[Studio Toledo]

For those who has seen these cartoons, what is the best/worst?

The best I've seen are: They Shall Not Pass and Egyptian Daze, great animation and just wonderful music in my opinion.

The worst I've seen are: Puss and Boots and Music and Charm, Chris will love Puss and Boots, the framerate is horrible and also there are lots of holds, check out when the scots dude falls off the wall hes climbing, his bagpipes are zero gravity!
I don't think I can stand seeing that without collapsing!

Thinking about these redrawns sometimes (and of what I said earlier of how I would've loved to wanting to run things in my own production), I had to think of a place in town called Lott Industries (http://www.lottindustries.com/), which hires mentally handicapped individuals for assorted duties like destroying documents to sorting and other filing applications. I felt less a man and wanting to think I could hire these guys to at least clean my cels or even trace 'em if possible, if only to support their organization. But really, many of these redrawns often felt like the guys behind them were all pretty below-average to normal people who probably didn't have much of an artistic background or knowledge to go on, and were just given this stuff to finish up on without question, and that's the result. It's like watching all these constant YouTube videos from "Angry Video Game Nerd" (http://www.cinemassacre.com/Movies/Nes_Nerd.html) and others who often comment on the flaws in 8-bit NES games of their youth, and it's almost the same way for mine and some of us when we think of the kind of stuff we had to watch for the duration.

[Tom Stathes]

The Angry Video Game Nerd videos are hilarious. Our very own Mike Matei provides title art and other stuff for the videos. :)

[Studio Toledo]

The Angry Video Game Nerd videos are hilarious. Our very own Mike Matei provides title art and other stuff for the videos. :)
Hmmm, small world! I thought those little art pieces were pretty cool!

I still get a kick out of having seen games I didn't bother much at all like Bible Adventures (those graphics are hideious). While I do remember playing TMNT and Who Framed Roger Rabbit, I never thought of them as bad games at all, but the way he puts them into perspective, it sorta makes sense (LJN was a pretty cool toy company, but a terrible one at video games).

And because I never played Ghostbusters, just seeing how the game ends is priceless...

"CONGLATURATION!!! You have completed a great game. And prooved the justice of our culture. Now go and rest our heroes!"