Unusual edits in classic cartoons

[Tom41]

Post here any unusual edits you've noticed in the classic-era cartoons. Not censor cuts by TV networks, unusual edits that were there when the cartoons were first released.

We all probably know about the razz/whistle in "The Crackpot Quail", and the abrupt end of "Stupid Cupid" - not to mention the many bad edits in "The Big Snooze", but anyone have any more?

I'll start with a couple from Tom & Jerry. In the Yankee Doodle Mouse episode, after Jerry has been hitting Tom with a wooden plank (in a fog caused by flour), they start to run away and it abruptly fades to black - then you get the scene where they're throwing a firecracker at each other. At the end of this scene, it wipes to the exploding teapot scene.
It's my belief that the throwing firecracker scene was put in to replace something else, hence the abrupt edits. But does anyone know about this missing scene?

Also in "The Night Before Christmas". Jerry hops into a lightbulb holder and Tom grabs hold of Jerry, electrocuting himself. Before the smoke can clear, it quickly fades to the next scene. I originally thought it was one of CN's blackface cuts, but it turns out the cartoon was originally released like this!

[PorkyIsntFat]

the heckling hare - the final scene
baby bottleneck - the baby aligator and mother pig scene(which I still dont understand why bob clampett censored that even after i heard the commentery)

[JDWeil]

Ther is also strange edit in Hare Tonic occurring right after Elmer takes Bugs out of the rabbit trap. This was Tashlin's last short at Warner's and I wonder if the edit was made after Tashlin left.

[Duck Dodgers]

Ther is also strange edit in Hare Tonic occurring right after Elmer takes Bugs out of the rabbit trap. This was Tashlin's last short at Warner's and I wonder if the edit was made after Tashlin left.

the cartoon you're speaking about is hare remover,tashlin's last cartoon at wb.

hare tonic is a chuck jones cartoon,a very good one i must say

[Ray Pointer]

[QUOTE=Tom41] In the Yankee Doodle Mouse episode, after Jerry has been hitting Tom with a wooden plank (in a fog caused by flour), they start to run away and it abruptly fades to black - then you get the scene where they're throwing a firecracker at each other. At the end of this scene, it wipes to the exploding teapot scene. It's my belief that the throwing firecracker scene was put in to replace something else, hence the abrupt edits. But does anyone know about this missing scene?

After the explosion, Tom raises up into the scene with the top of the tea pot
shaped like daisy pettles and a black face looking like a flower. A "black-eyed Susan" gag.

[Kowalski]

the cartoon you're speaking about is hare remover,tashlin's last cartoon at wb.

hare tonic is a chuck jones cartoon,a very good one i must say

Another odd thing regarding "Hare Remover" is the way Elmer Fudd changes his appearance from scene to scene. There are at least two different designs of Elmer in this cartoon: one that's consistent with Elmer's look in Tashlin's previous cartoons ("Stupid Cupid", "The Unruly Hare") and another design that reminds more of the way Elmer looks in McKimson's cartoons made afterwards. Quite strange.
Tashlin probably left WB before finishing this cartoon, and I guess that Robert McKimson (who inherited Tashlin's unit) completed it. In the process, some scenes were possibly edited or re-worked, and this may be the reason for the clumsy edit and two different Elmers. If you watch the moment where edit occurs in slow motion, you will notice that Bugs is reaching for Elmer's hat, and this action is not continued in the next scene, indicating that something has been removed from Hare Remover :bugs2:

Similar thing happened with "Bacall to Arms" which was started by Clampett and completed by Art Davis. Now, that's a cartoon with numerous strange edits :D . I wonder if Clampett originally wanted to use the scenes from earlier cartoon "She Was an Acrobat's Daughter" or that was just a desperate attempt to complete the unfinished and abandoned cartoon in easiest and cheapest possible way. Or perhaps this cartoon was heavily censored before the release... in any way, there's something truly odd about it.

[Cartman]

In the Flip the Frog cartoon CIRCUS, there is a scene where the thief sneaks up to the woman with the beehive hair and then it cuts to the two of them fighting over the purse.

[Daffysleftfoot]

Another example is A-Lad-In His Lamp (by Robert McKimson c. 1948). When the sultan finally gets the lamp and is excited there is a strange cut. It sounds like he originally said "the lamp is mine" and all was cut out except for the last "ine" sound. Whoever made that bizarre cut for whatever reason, it was quite sloppy. :(

[Tom Stathes]

In the Flip the Frog cartoon CIRCUS, there is a scene where the thief sneaks up to the woman with the beehive hair and then it cuts to the two of them fighting over the purse.
That's just probably a splice (I'll have to check.)
Note that several of the circulating Flips, to my knowledge, are from 16mm prints that are often beat up. So in this case, it just might be a splice due to damaged film; though I'll check the copy I have.
-Tom

[JDWeil]

The Willie Whopper short, Rasslin' Around has a strange edit in it. There's a point in the cartoon where Willie and his opponent are tumbling head over heels around the ring, the action suddenly stops and there's an inexplicable repeat. When was this edit made?

[Duck Dodgers]

Another odd thing regarding "Hare Remover" is the way Elmer Fudd changes his appearance from scene to scene. There are at least two different designs of Elmer in this cartoon: one that's consistent with Elmer's look in Tashlin's previous cartoons ("Stupid Cupid", "The Unruly Hare") and another design that reminds more of the way Elmer looks in McKimson's cartoons made afterwards. Quite strange.
Tashlin probably left WB before finishing this cartoon, and I guess that Robert McKimson (who inherited Tashlin's unit) completed it. In the process, some scenes were possibly edited or re-worked, and this may be the reason for the clumsy edit and two different Elmers. If you watch the moment where edit occurs in slow motion, you will notice that Bugs is reaching for Elmer's hat, and this action is not continued in the next scene, indicating that something has been removed from Hare Remover :bugs2:

Similar thing happened with "Bacall to Arms" which was started by Clampett and completed by Art Davis. Now, that's a cartoon with numerous strange edits :D . I wonder if Clampett originally wanted to use the scenes from earlier cartoon "She Was an Acrobat's Daughter" or that was just a desperate attempt to complete the unfinished and abandoned cartoon in easiest and cheapest possible way. Or perhaps this cartoon was heavily censored before the release... in any way, there's something truly odd about it.

well,during this years(the ww2 just ended)not so many shorts were produced by wb and many gags and animation were reused

tick tock tuckered reused animation,gags and basical plot of porky's badtime story
same thing for wagon heels/injun trouble

hare remover reused the bear gag from wabbit trouble

[Ray Pointer]

Most of the responses seem related to censored bits rather than "unusual edits."
Unusual edits occur in two BETTY BOOP cartoons. In STOPPING THE SHOW (1932), the first of the Betty Boop series, there is a section that has been removed that set up the first "impersonation" that Betty does. All of the following imitations are introduced by a placard with a photograph of the celebrity with animated lips asking Betty to imitate them. The first imitation Betty does is not introduced this way. Here's the clue.

Betty comes out on stage. There is a pan left across the audience to the stage in long shot. In the distance is a vague impression of a placard with the image of what looks like Helen Kane. Then the cartoon cuts, with the soundtrack splice audible, to Betty singing the song, "That's my Weakness Now." This was a song sung by Helen Kane, and is the only piece not set up with the talking photographs as with the others.

The other, and more awkward cut is in BETTY BOOP FOR PRESIDENT. As Betty's head morphs from caricatures of Hoover and Al Smith, the one of Franklin Roosevelt has been removed, and there is an off-beat jump in the soundtrack as a result.:betty: