The Response from Warner on the Tom and Jerry DVD replacement

[Eddie Estes]

From the Home Theater Forum

Just heard from Warner Brother's animation department
regarding your question concerning the Tom & Jerry
Collection.

Here is their response...


quote:
Warner Home Video has recently released the Tom & Jerry Spotlight Collection: The Premiere Volume two-disc DVD. There have been some questions about which versions of these cartoon shorts are available on the DVD set (edited vs. uncut). The Spotlight Collection contains a variety of original animated shorts produced between 1943-1956, including uncut versions of some early cartoons that were first shown in theaters, along with some versions edited for television. The DVD packaging correctly refers to the cartoon shorts as "remastered"; it does not state that all the shorts are uncut.

[Eddie Estes]

This is how a company with no integrity treats it's customers!!!

[janiepooh34]

Figures. :mad:

They must have really paid those lawyers overtime to come up with that one.

Yep, we just said remastered, but not which copy we remastered from.

Sneaky jerks.

[Senbei Norimaki]

So it takes Warner Home Video 6 months to tell us all to go F- ourselves! Well F U back Time-Warner!:mad:

[ALK]

Do they realize that remaster means original version which would mean that the cartoons are uncut!

[Pinque]

Those dirty liars. What a slap in the face to all of the people who bought this DVD for the sole reason of getting UNCUT cartoons. Not to mention that they said they WOULD REPLACE THE DVDS FOR UNEDITED! God, I was duped into buying that thing. I mean... ugh... what a slap in the face. That is morally wrong. What snitches...

[J. B. Warner]

Well, that settles it - I'll never buy the Tom and Jerry Spotlight Collection. I refuse to support edited cartoons on DVD.

[David Gates]

I'm starting to feel a little better about buying The Art of Tom and Jerry on Laserdisc. Even that one still has a few edits on it, though.

[Cartman]

Do they realize that remaster means original version which would mean that the cartoons are uncut!

No they don't because they are idiots.:rolleyes:

[Matthew Hunter]

That sucks! :mad:

[corey3rd]

does anyone want to sue Warners for false packaging and advertising? that's the only way they'll understand that people are sick of being yanked by them.

[Mike]

Do they realize that remaster means original version which would mean that the cartoons are uncut!

Well, I'm not at all siding with WHV here, but that's not really what remaster means. Remastering simply means just that, making a new master. You can really do it with any source material; it doesn't matter whether that source material has been edited or not, or if it came directly from the original studio that produced it or not. For example, when Turner remastered the pre-48 cartoons in the mid90s, they certainly didn't have the original prints to work with; instead, they struck new copies from the A.A.P. prints they had.

Mike

[Larry T]

Colour me not surprised.

Anybody who actually believes that WHV was going to replace the perfectly good DVD with uncut cartoons when the original set had already sold dozens of copies should take a deep breath and think about my pre-release rant (http://forums.goldenagecartoons.com/showthread.php?t=489&page=5&pp=10&highlight=Tom+Jerry) with a logical mind.

It pays to have a little bit of foresight, and to be a little bit like the squirrels. ;)

[J Lee]

While it does sound like the Bean Counters won out over the true ainmation fans involved in the DVD project, it is a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face, assuming Warner Home Video plans additional volumes of Tom & Jerry releases. Collectors are going to balk at buying the future releases until someone they trust (Jerry, or someone else with access to a pre-release copy) can assure them that this volume of shorts really is uncut.

Until the all-clear is sounded on future releases in terms of edits, there's really no reason to buy the future releases (and the same would hold for any future releases of the Looney Tunes Golden Collection, if the suits at WB try to sneak edited prints into those DVDs).

[Geezil]

P.S.: It's just my opinion, but the name-calling and suggested Anglo-Saxon verbs used above have added nothing to this thread and might have earned us all a few "see? I told you so"s over at WHV as well.

If we all truly are in this game to win, let's try a little bit harder to show a positive game face when we sometimes get "sent to the penalty box."

George W. as the "Better Honey than Vinegar" Geezil

[ohmahaaha]

P.S.: It's just my opinion, but the name-calling and suggested Anglo-Saxon verbs used above have added nothing to this thread and might have earned us all a few "see? I told you so"s over at WHV as well.

If we all truly are in this game to win, let's try a little bit harder to show a positive game face when we sometimes get "sent to the penalty box."

George W. as the "Better Honey than Vinegar" Geezil
If this latest information is true, we have been royally screwed on this DVD set, not just before purchase via false advertising, but afterwards as well when word went out that replacements would be available. My game face is don't buy until the product has come out and I know for sure what's on the damn thing, that's my game face. I don't know what you meant by "see? I told you so" - what are you suggesting that they (WHV) feel justified about?

[Mac]

Bah! I'm actually surprised they bothered to issue a repsonse though. The packaging might not say the cartoons are uncut, but I'm sure that I saw ads on the net that said they were going to be. Also I think that the term 'remastered' mislead a lot of people who assumed that this meant they'd been restored since the Cartoon Netowrk versions. When I perordered the Tom and Jerry DVD I was certainly expecting a completely uncensored set and hoping that this would be the start of collecting the whole series uncut. I still hope that the rest of the cartoons are released, but only if future sets will be uncut and will include non butchered versions of the 3 edited cartoons from the first set.

[Geezil]

If this latest information is true, we have been royally screwed on this DVD set, not just before purchase via false advertising, but afterwards as well when word went out that replacements would be available. My game face is don't buy until the product has come out and I know for sure what's on the damn thing, that's my game face. I don't know what you meant by "see? I told you so" - what are you suggesting that they (WHV) feel justified about?

Just the ripple effect that could occur when **they** pay a visit to the boards and see some of the posters calling them "idiots," "sneaky jerks," etc., and screaming "F U". If that's the way **they** felt about **us** before this (at Cartoon Network, for instance), then that's where the added "justification" would come from. Seeing us descend to their level, that is.

Trust me, you and everyone else who got burned on the Tom & Jerry set will recover from this setback and still be able go on fighting the good fight for classic animation presented with full respect in all media. (As WHV has in fact been doing with the Looney Tunes boxes thus far.)

In short, do hit the bean counters with the facts of your discontent, but watch the temper while you're doing it (as many of the other posters above have indeed done)! No one appreciates being laughed at and dismissed out of hand by bureaucrats, I'm sure. That is what I'm suggesting.

(Edit: BTW, corey3rd's above suggestion, if acted upon in the form of a class action suit, is a better example of an action that would get the point across forcefully but civilly, no pun intended.)

[Daffysleftfoot]

Collectors are going to balk at buying the future releases until someone they trust (Jerry, or someone else with access to a pre-release copy) can assure them that this volume of shorts really is uncut.

Until the all-clear is sounded on future releases in terms of edits, there's really no reason to buy the future releases (and the same would hold for any future releases of the Looney Tunes Golden Collection, if the suits at WB try to sneak edited prints into those DVDs).

Here's the stupid Catch-22 about that though. If we refuse to buy the editted dvds then Time Warner will say "Oh, I guess classic toons don't sell well" and either put them on the shelf to rot or come up with more crap concepts like Loonatics.
So, we have to ask ourselves, "What will desecrate the toons more, buying editted dvds or not buying editted dvds?" Really, unless we can raise millions of dollars so that we can restore and release the cartoons ourselves, WB has got us buy our collective nards.:eek:

[Dan Porceddu]

I'm at a loss for words. That is really pathetic on their part. They apparently don't care that if you do this kind of crap, the bootleg market will flourish. This set offered very little that you couldn't get on television; only three widescreen cartoons and some special features. Even if they don't keep their word on fixing the problem, they could at least be more honest about it, don't you think?

[Senbei Norimaki]

I hope those corporate suck holes do come here and read my post! You have to give respect to get respect back. Classic cartoon fans are so docile. Sorry I’m an anime fan so I’m not used to this kind treatment. Did we really have to wait 6 months for that!:mad:

[janiepooh34]

Beleive me, Geezil, sneaky jerks was the nicest thing I could say--you should have seen what I REALLY wanted to post!:eek:

Enough said.

[Geezil]

Fair enough, everyone ... you have the right to stand by your views, and I by mine. And I'll leave the question of which view makes a blessed bit of difference at WHV to the historians.

[rbl100]

Looks like it's time for a class action suit for false advertisement. Also, to start a "save our classic animation fund", to buy the rights of all the golden age material. Any compensatory damages awarded from the law suit, could then be allocated to this fund?????

What do you all think?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Leviathan]

This is one of those times where i iwsh that Classic Cartoon Fans had the kind of consumer influence (or muscle) that Anime fans have.

In fact, i feel like WHV Classic Cartoon Set's and trade them for some Walt Disney Treasures in wholesale rebellion.

Looks like it's time for a class action suit for false advertisement. Also, to start a "save our classic animation fund", to buy the rights of all the golden age material.

Better yet, why don't we get a small DVD company to buy the rights (ala Shout Factory buying rights to Freaks and Geeks)


(Actually, most of the Classic Cartoons on DVD problems are coming for Warner. Disney is doing extroadinarily well, So is Classic Media, and the rest just don't care)

[P.C. unfunny]

They just don't give a damn, plain and simple. CORPORATIONS RUIN ART!!!!!!!!!!

[Jaime_Weinman]

WB has done some very fine work when it comes to releasing classic features -- but their animation releases, with the possible exception of the Looney Tunes sets, leave a lot to be desired, and this is just another example of why: they (or at least some people there) seem to be unwilling to give animation much serious attention. Hell, WB executives were reportedly unwilling to greenlight the first Looney Tunes box except as a tie-in with the Looney Tunes Back in Action movie. I don't think they would pull this with a live-action movie. In fact, they don't pull this, period; their classic live-action movie releases are uncut, and when a line was cut from their print of Bringing Up Baby, they specifically explained, when asked, that it was due to the deterioration of the print and not censorship. Animation doesn't get the same respect.

The above "answer" is, as others have pointed out, a nasty bit of semantics that doesn't answer the big questions at all (how about explaining why those cut cartoons were included?). I'm not quite sure how the animation-releases department is run, but it definitely leaves a lot to be desired in terms of its releases (they'll do ten million Hanna-Barbera releases before they even consider Animaniacs) and its willingness to level with the public. If they'd just admit that they chickened out, I'd be P.O.'d, but not nearly as P.O.'d as I am with this weaselly evasion.

[P.C. unfunny]

and another thing , these suits always ***** about us downloading off the net. And look what they do to us !

[Jaime_Weinman]

Film restoration expert Robert Harris had a post over at the Home Theater Forum where he shed some light on the problems with WB's animation releases:

As I understand the situation, which is most unfortunate for both the studio and the consumer, the animated shorts are handled as a different product line [from WB's classic features], by different technical people and via different means.

These seem to be treated as "ugly stepchildren," the dregs of WB product, and seem to be considered as virtually disposable kiddy fare...

While those responsible for the classic feature library seem to have some input, this does not seem to be inclusive of either final decision making or quality control.

Hopefully, we'll be seeing more involvment from the folks who have made WB the top studio for home video, and less from those who have been behind the problematic releases under discussion.

The Looney Tunes sets, I assume, are to some extent an exception to this rule (George Feltenstein, who's in charge of the classic film DVDs, fought for WB to give the special-edition treatment to the LT/MM sets and market them to adults). T&J, for the most part, weren't so lucky.

[Leviathan]

So by that End, I suggest that you guys just forget about any of WHV's putrid "Classic Cartoon" Sets, and stick with your VHS/Bootlegs/16mms for the Time Being. Disney and Classic Media are where it's at for Classic Cartoon Releases.

True, Disney has had it's problems with some if it's movies (Fantasia comes to mind, as do Make Mine Music and Melody Time), but the Walt Disney Treasures, You get (with almost no exceptions) only uncut cartoons, some of them have been blacklisted over the years (Such as Der Fuehrer's Face, which we were all assured would never be reissued), and most of them have never received a proper release in the history of Home Video. And on top of that, There is no DVNR or Interlacing. Classic Media is easily working themselves up to Disney's category, but for now, they're easily one of the most consistant about quality releases of their library of classic cartoons (Much moreso than Warner)


So Don't Waste your time with Warner, as they'll continue to screw their fans. stick with Disney and Classic MEdia for quality DVDs.

[ohmahaaha]

What I don't understand is, with the type of people who were involved with the project i.e. Jerry Beck, why don't the people involved with the Tom & Jerry set understand what we want? I mean maybe they DO understand, but look at Disney Treasures ... any cartoons of questionable content, why not deal with them the same way as Disney Treasures and allow those of us who want to see them have access?

[Eddie Estes]

I posted the chat transcript for the Home Theater Forum chat that showed where Warner said the Tom and Jerry DVDs would be uncut.

Robert Crawford who is a moderator there said he could find no instance of Warner say this. I posted excerpts of the transcript where they stated this.

I guess since proving him wrong was a blow to his ego I was banned from posting there. Just wanted people to know what you chance by telling the truth there and not kissing up to Warner Home Video.
Please go there and see my outrageous behavior. NOT!!!
The thread is entitled Reply from Warner on animation subject.
Eddie Estes

[Jaime_Weinman]

In fairness, people posting on the board are used to having a good relationship with WB Home Video, and like the work they've done in the past two or three years. (But as Robert Harris pointed out, the people in charge of things like the film noir and musicals sets are unfortunately not the people in charge of putting out things like the Tom and Jerry collection.) And in general, they believe in understanding that executives are not inhuman monsters and shouldn't be verbally abused, which is good. But I agree, leaping to defend them here doesn't make sense.

Whether or not there is "lying" going on here, the answer they gave is clearly dishonest or at least evasive of the issue. We know what they meant by the "uncut" designation; trying to pretend they meant something else, instead of just admitting they made a mistake, is not only dishonest but counter-productive. They'd have fewer people angry at them if they'd just say they made a mistake.

[Eddie Estes]

I also went to great pains to say that Jerry Beck and George Feltenstein were not at fault in this matter.
The moderators responding seemed to be falling all over themselves trying to excuse Warners behavior.
First Mr Crawford said he found no instance of WHV ever saying the discs in question would be uncut.
Then when I founds the chat transcript Mr Epstein said one could not assume things based on a conversation that may have been taken out of context.
When I posted the source and that I had the entire chat transcript and would post it if neccessary that is where the crap hit the fan I guess.
This was on Friday. I came back from a weekend camping trip to find that I had been banned from posting there.
I emailed the respective parties asking why and have gotten NO RESPONSE!!!!
Eddie Estes

[Kaleido]

does anyone want to sue Warners for false packaging and advertising? that's the only way they'll understand that people are sick of being yanked by them.Normally I'm against the very concept of class action lawsuits, but it might be the only way for us to get this corrected and prevent it from happening again in the future.

Does anyone have a copy of the advertisment that said the Tom and Jerry Spotlight Collection would be uncut or unedited or whatever? Scanning and posting it here would be a good start.

[Senbei Norimaki]

A person at the old Toonzone forum actually got a response from WB on the censored Johnny Quest DVDs. WB was actually pretty honest about the censorship on that set.:rolleyes:


The Warner rep called back and explained that Warners knows of the audio track differing between the DVD and broadcast versions but because of an internal studio policy, I couldn't be told the reason why this happened. You have to love that cryptic excuse for the lack of Heathen Monkeys on DVD. Oh well guess I'll have to stick with my VHS of the complete episode.

If you have a free afternoon, call up and grouse so you can get to hear the freakish, "we can't tell you" reason.


http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=129828&highlight=quest

I think the Top Cat DVD has a trailer for the T & J spotlight collection. The trailer says the T & J set was supposed to have 46 shorts. I bet the six missing shorts are :twoshoes: shorts.:rolleyes:

[grundle]

I posted the chat transcript for the Home Theater Forum chat that showed where Warner said the Tom and Jerry DVDs would be uncut.

Robert Crawford who is a moderator there said he could find no instance of Warner say this. I posted excerpts of the transcript where they stated this.

I guess since proving him wrong was a blow to his ego I was banned from posting there. Just wanted people to know what you chance by telling the truth there and not kissing up to Warner Home Video.
Please go there and see my outrageous behavior. NOT!!!
The thread is entitled Reply from Warner on animation subject.
Eddie Estes

Good for you for telling the truth!

You're my hero!

I've lurked there for many years. I already post on so many other boards, so I don't post there. But I'm very familiar with the site.

[P.C. unfunny]

I think the Top Cat DVD has a trailer for the T & J spotlight collection. The trailer says the T & J set was supposed to have 46 shorts. I bet the six missing shorts are :twoshoes: shorts.:rolleyes:

I have a question about mammy two shoes, was the original recordings of her voice destroyed ?

[Senbei Norimaki]

You did good Eddie!:cool: I lurk on that forum and have read the T & J thread. I think that Crawford guy has a schoolgirl crush on one of the Warner execs. This guy is making a fool out of himself kissing up to Warner.

Just because Warner Home Video releases excellent box sets like the Charlie Chaplin, Lon Chaney, Judy Garland, Marx Brothers & Gone with the Wind sets doesn’t mean we should give them a free pass when they do something wrong.

Just because these shorts are animated and have “mass market appeal” doesn’t mean they should be treated any differently from live action films. I must thank the mods of this forum for letting us all vent.

Will this situation stop me from buying the Greta Garbo box set? No. Will I buy another animated Warner DVD without reading reviews first? No.

[Bugsmer]

If you look closely at the quote from Warners, their response is only indicative of the question "Does the Spotlight Collection contain edited cartoons?", to which they reply, "It has some edited and some unedited cartoons, and if you look closely at the packaging, nowhere is it written that every short is uncut."

This is the answer of a politician, saying nothing, hinting nothing. They're just repeating everything we already know about the set. They have not stated that it was an accident (in this chat) or that the next Spotlight Collection might be a far better volume with fewer problems and no edited shorts. This is therefore not the response we've been waiting to hear. That response we will find digitally enthreaded onto the discs of the next volume. The next volume will tell us whether or not Warners has any intention of releasing these cartoons uncut. We should wait till October to whine.

And in October, if things aren't fixed up, there will definitely be complaints. Until then, we simply have to be patient.

[Duck Dodgers]

i think that after viacom made the ren and stimpy dvd presented as uncut but edited in many ways no one will ever present a cartoon collction as uncut!
probably only wb will do it with some de luxe products like the golden collection.
if the future tex avery collection will not be presented as uncut or complete i highly doubt we'll find droopy's good deed and garden gopher uncut,or that we'll find uncle tom's cabana and half pint pigmy at all!!!

[Chow Hound]

if the future tex avery collection will not be presented as uncut or complete i highly doubt we'll find droopy's good deed and garden gopher uncut,or that we'll find uncle tom's cabana and half pint pigmy at all!!!

Then I won't waste my money on it, no matter how much I want a complete Tex Avery set. By definition, an edited set is not complete anyway.

[Greg Method]

Then I won't waste my money on it, no matter how much I want a complete Tex Avery set. By definition, an edited set is not complete anyway.
I definitely agree. If there's even a hint of the Avery set being edited, I will just wash my hands of the whole thing.

Not that I am defending Warner Home Video at all, but at least with Tom and Jerry there is some twisted understandable justification since the cartoons are still very popular with kids, thanks to some network endlessly rerunning them after pushing all other classic animation off the air.

But really, how likely are we to hear the following exchange between, say, an eight-year-old and his mother?:

"Now Thatcher, I want you to pick out a movie to watch while I go out tonight."
"Okay, mumsie. I can't wait to leave this store. It smells like--HEY! Look! Tex Avery's on DVD! Finally!"
"Maybe now you will give the VCR a break, tee hee."
"Oh boy, I hope Jerry Beck is involved with the supplemental material."
"Hold it a second, Thatcher. I know how much you love Tex Avery, but I'm concerned about the outrageous violence and mild sexual metaphors that are throughout many of his finest films."
"But mumsie..."
"I'm sorry, son, but there is no guarantee that these films are safe for you to watch. These cartoons can be just as funny with material edited out."
"Sigh, very well. I'll put it back."
"Very good. Now then, what about this one? You watch this all the time on Toonami."
"'Lupin the III?'"

[Senbei Norimaki]

And in October, if things aren't fixed up, there will definitely be complaints. Until then, we simply have to be patient.

I disagree. We need to tell Warner that this T & J problem isn't just going to go away. We need to tell Warner we are very serious about this problem before the 2nd set is released.

[Bartman]

i highly doubt we'll find droopy's good deed and garden gopher uncut,or that we'll find uncle tom's cabana and half pint pigmy at all!!!

Mr. Duck:

"Uncle Tom's Cabana" & "Half-Pint Pigmy" were released uncut on the Tex Avery laserdisc collection - that's where my clean pristine prints originate...

Also, if you search real hard, you can find someone here @ the TTTP that has uncut copies of "Droopy's Good Deed" and "Garden Gopher"...

Someone like me! :D

[ohmahaaha]

Nothing speaks louder than our dollars, my friends - or the lack thereof. If the next volume is similarly flawed, I simply will not buy.

[Nelson]

I've been reading this post and one thing I can say is that I'm not surprised by this entire mess that WHV has created.In my own personal beliefs, my take on this subject matter is that is possible that the excutives at WHV looks at "Tom And Jerry" made for kids and not the serious film collector as we are, as that might explain why we didn't see "Mammy Two Shoes" on this collection.

When you take a look at Looney Tunes Golden Collection, WHV knows and aims these collections strictly towards private collectors and will feature a LT cartoon on a classic movie disc that is for adults and not childrenand with that being said, which is why T&J is the only classic animated series currently airing on CN and during daytime hours, is basically a kids toon channel.Then there are plans for a second volume of T&J cartoons and how will they(WHV) put together this second volume?Will we see a three minute verison of "His Mouse Friday"? or the shorts featuring "Mammy Two Shoes" with a dubbed voice.

We all agree that Warner's dug a grave with this mess and screwed their customers which is the wrong thing to do.I can say that I'm very happy with the laser disc editon of the T&J cartoons which are in great looking prints and totally uncut and uncensored and that's why I never bought the recent dvd release from Warners.

[crow_T_robot]

here is the ad it sounds like they were all going to be uncut.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/mike3001/IM000289.jpg

[Larry T]

here is the ad it sounds like they were all going to be uncut.

heh. Touche. :)

That ad just about wraps up this whole discussion thread.

[rbl100]

here is the ad it sounds like they were all going to be uncut.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/mike3001/IM000289.jpg

Looks pretty straight forward to me.......They are saying "uncut" to all episodes.........

Can someone let me know why there are no problems selling sexually explicit or violent material or even broadcasting this garbage. Material that offends me. But when it comes to cartoons that are decades old. This material is handled in a very different manner. Why the double standard????

:confused: :confused: :confused:

[ohmahaaha]

Can someone let me know why there are no problems selling sexually explicit or violent material or even broadcasting this garbage. Material that offends me. But when it comes to cartoons that are decades old. This material is handled in a very different manner. Why the double standard????

:confused: :confused: :confused:
We are all about the double standard in this country!! Have you seen or read George Carlin's stuff lately? "This country was founded by a group of slave-owners who wanted to be free."

[Leviathan]

here is the ad it sounds like they were all going to be uncut.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/mike3001/IM000289.jpg


Assuming the Federal Trade Commision (The Government Branch that deals with false advertising, if i'm not mistaken) isn't taking bribes from the big Corporations, I think we got ourselves a case.

[rbl100]

We are all about the double standard in this country!! Have you seen or read George Carlin's stuff lately? "This country was founded by a group of slave-owners who wanted to be free."


Slavery ended about 140 years ago......Every ethnic group has been enslaved at one time or another on this earth. It is the past. If the kings in Africa did not let the white man buy their slaves to begin with......There would most likely not have been any slaves here to start. Also, lets think about this....We all get taxed to the hilt (50 %) of our income in the entire cycle of money earned and spent. Are we all not somewhat slaves, when half of what we earn goes to a controlling entity???? Think about that.

;) ;) ;)

[Eddie Estes]

Since I can't go there anymore somebody PLEASE post the pics of those
ads in the thread at Home Theater Forum so Robert(waa,waa)Crawford can see them and stop sucking up to Warner?
Please do this.
Eddie Estes

[Eddie Estes]

We are all about the double standard in this country!! Have you seen or read George Carlin's stuff lately? "This country was founded by a group of slave-owners who wanted to be free."

There are many things about this country that are or were not perfect. Nothing man designed or made is.
However I'll take this country with all of it's faults before I would go anywhere else.
I am sure that my Grandfather who was wounded in WW2 felt the same way.
Oh and George Carlin is hateful little man who has to use profanity to try to be funny!!

[P.C. unfunny]

Oh and George Carlin is hateful little man who has to use profanity to try to be funny!!


I disagree, he has been very funny without cursing. And he is also very sharp, even though I admit his politicial views are a bit too extreme. And his satement is right, this country wanted to be free, yet they put people into slavery.

[Senbei Norimaki]

Since I can't go there anymore somebody PLEASE post the pics of those
ads in the thread at Home Theater Forum so Robert(waa,waa)Crawford can see them and stop sucking up to Warner?
Please do this.
Eddie Estes

Wouldn't the person that post that ad at the HTTF get banned?:rolleyes: It would be very funny if someone did do it though.

George Carlon is right! :sowhite:

[ohmahaaha]

George Carlon is right! :sowhite:
... And I was just trying to point out the humor in the situation rather than start a political or ethical debate about slavery; nor did I intend us to veer from the topic. Basically what I'm saying is (same as the person I replied to above) is that I would be more worried about my son or daughter getting the wrong impression from an episode of "Desperate Housewives" than I would be about them getting the wrong impression from an appearance of Mammy Two-Shoes; NOT THAT I'M AGAINST "DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES" - I just can't understand how they'll show that - and at 7 pm on a Sunday night rather than be pre-empted by football - but they won't show Mammy Two Shoes.

[Gordan]

Assuming the Federal Trade Commision (The Government Branch that deals with false advertising, if i'm not mistaken) isn't taking bribes from the big Corporations, I think we got ourselves a case.

To Warner Bros:

It's a shame that you lied to us (by releasing butchered cartoons after you advertised they would be uncut).

It's an even bigger shame that you ignored us (by being silent about potential replacement discs and avoiding to address the issue).

But, what really #$%@@& off most of us is that you lie to us again by saying that you never lied to us ("We never said cartoons would be uncut.").

Shame on you!

:tomcat: :jerry: :twoshoes:

[Eddie Estes]

Wouldn't the person that post that ad at the HTTF get banned?
I wish I could just to get on baby Crawfords nerves.

I will never defend slavery or the way that black people were treated.
But George Carlin along with some of his ilk can never figure out why their side
most of the time never wins.
Most Americans love their country. They don't mind a person saying certain
things need to be worked on. Most people I know do have a problem with the country and flag being degraded. End of political statement

We need to post those pictures on every forum even the Home Theater(Warner Home Video Suckup)Forum.
We need to make this our mission. Those ads are the argument winners!!!
Eddie Estes

[Dan Porceddu]

Oh and George Carlin is hateful little man who has to use profanity to try to be funny!!He may have a foul mouth but he has an excellent narrating voice. In the early 1990s he narrated the classic Thomas the Tank Engine & Friends show, and I still have fond memories of his calm narration.

[P.C. unfunny]

He may have a foul mouth but he has an excellent narrating voice. In the early 1990s he narrated the classic Thomas the Tank Engine & Friends show, and I still have fond memories of his calm narration.

now that Iam older and know who he really is, I now find that pretty disturbing heh heh.

[Greg Method]

here is the ad it sounds like they were all going to be uncut.
Nice work. Where did you find it? That information might be good to have should anyone decide to lodge a complaint with Warner Home Video.

[MF TOON]

Well I went ahead and put it up.

I really hope I'm not banned from the forums because I really do appreciate the resource that HTF offers and enjoy posting there, but this had to have been seen by the other forum members, and hopefully the studio as well.

There's no denying what that scan portrays, and I dont think any of the mods could really take any defense stance against the fabrications and lies that we've been fed when it's as clear as day in that picture that we are and were all along, in the right.

I hope this brings about much more attention to the topic.

And hopefully I'll still be a member when I wake up in the morning.

Goodnight GAC.

:twoshoes:

[crow_T_robot]

the ad was in the ew october 15th issue. i am glad i kept it, as others have stated the proof is there.

[GeorgeC]

If anybody gets banned bringing up this ad in the HTF, I say the heck with HTF!

And yes, it's not your imagination -- the moderator at HTF IS cozying up to the Warner reps to keep on getting exclusive news and chats with those guys.

IF HTF had a reputation for being hard on companies and reps, there's no question they wouldn't have these exclusive chats and news releases.

There's a double-edged sword when dealing with major companies... If you're tough on them and don't let them control the news flow, a lot of times they shut you out and leave you in the cold.

On the other hand, if you gain a reputation of being a footstool for these corporations, then the audience members who have more than half a brain (I'd assume that's everybody in this thread) WON'T respect you!

I've been suspicious of a bunch of websites because frankly it sounds like the webmasters are getting freebies and kissing up to companies to continue getting goodies. (Ain't It Cool News is particularly guilty of this level of corruption. I suspect a well-known anime DVD review/news site is as well.) There are the exceptions like The Digital Bits which seems to be fair on reviews and grade the technical merits of discs as well as the film content, but a lot of them DO soft-peddle reviews to keep getting access to the big studios.

I don't think HTF will admit this, but I kinda doubt the HTF guys really care that much about animation. WB sure has made it seem that aside from a few people in that organization that WB in general doesn't give a hoot about animation, either.

And yes, now that WB has made it official that they don't consider correcting the situation with the T & J sets (which I've heard from another source HAVEN'T sold well), blast away...! WB certainly has earned everybody's hatred with the fact that they're letting their bean counters and lawyers basically pee on the collectors.

Even Disney seems to understand the PR game 90% of the time!

[Kaleido]

here is the ad it sounds like they were all going to be uncut.Sounds like? It outright says ...in Their Original, Uncut Form.

Who wants to get a class-action lawsuit started?

EDIT: Maybe we should wait and see if the next collection includes the three censored cartoons in uncensored form before taking legal action. ;)