Drugs In LT?

[Caffeine King]

The other morning I turned on Boomerang to revive some childhood memories and there was a cartoon on there with Yosemite Sam and Bugs and Sam went into a saloon (in the west) and then Bugs was there and he dashed something onto a piece of paper, licked it, rolled it up and smoked it! Bugs had a joint!

I never noticed that before...was drug inneudo put in LT alot?

Sorry for not being specific for the episode title I didn't catch it & I know there are tons of cartoons with Sam & Bugs (in the west.)

Has anybody else seen this (in this specific episode?) Or any other episode?

[bjimba]

There was a time, long ago, when cigarette papers were used to make cigarettes. Out of tobacco. You really couldn't walk into a saloon in Tombstone and pick up a pack of Kents complete with Micronite filters, ya know.

Oh, and the short is Bugs Bunny Rides Again.

[Billy Joel Fan]

The other morning I turned on Boomerang to revive some childhood memories and there was a cartoon on there with Yosemite Sam and Bugs and Sam went into a saloon (in the west) and then Bugs was there and he dashed something onto a piece of paper, licked it, rolled it up and smoked it! Bugs had a joint!

Has anybody else seen this (in this specific episode?)


I don't know the name of the short but I know what you are talking about

I think he was rolling tobacco cause back in the western days the cowboys would carry tobacco on them and roll it up them selves I don't think the cigeretts as we know them today were sold back then so thats why thay rolled them up them selves

[J. B. Warner]

Oh, and the short is Bugs Bunny Rides Again.

Didn't he do the same thing in "Wild and Woolly Hare"? Or am I thinking of the scene in "Hare Trigger" that the animation in "Bugs Bunny Rides Again" was recycled from?

[Billy Joel Fan]

For some reason something in my mind is telling me that it was Wild and Woolly Hare that the animation was reused in:confused:

[J. B. Warner]

For some reason something in my mind is telling me that it was Wild and Woolly Hare that the animation was reused in:confused:

No, it couldn't have been - the Reused Animation list shows frames from both "Hare Trigger" (1945) and "Bugs Bunny Rides Again" (1948). The animation of Bugs rolling his cigarette appeared first in the former and appeared again in the latter.

http://looney.goldenagecartoons.com/miscelooneyous/reused/bugsridesagainreuse.jpg

And it's kind of obvious that it's recycled because in the latter cartoon, Bugs isn't actually leaning on anything (as opposed to the wall he was leaning against in the former).

[The G Man]

Watch the scene in Gonzales' Tamales and see if you can figure out what :speedy: sings in the grenade scene ... ;)

[Billy Joel Fan]

No, it couldn't have been - the Reused Animation list shows frames from both "Hare Trigger" (1945) and "Bugs Bunny Rides Again" (1948). The animation of Bugs rolling his cigarette appeared first in the former and appeared again in the latter.

http://looney.goldenagecartoons.com/miscelooneyous/reused/bugsridesagainreuse.jpg

And it's kind of obvious that it's recycled because in the latter cartoon, Bugs isn't actually leaning on anything (as opposed to the wall he was leaning against in the former).

Ah thanks well it's been awile since i've seen Looney Tunes on TV infact I havent seen Looney Tunes on TV since CN canned it so i'm a bit rusty

[Banned Bunny]

The string from the pouch is missing in the Hare Trigger frame.

So I take it they don't sell cigareete rolling papers in grocery stores anymore ? It's been a few years since I've seen them, but I haven't been looking.

[Vdubdavid]

They must still make the paper, because I just saw in the grocery store the other day a little machine that will roll the cigarette for you! Just add the paper and tobacco!

[Ray Pointer]

The other morning I turned on Boomerang to revive some childhood memories and there was a cartoon on there with Yosemite Sam and Bugs and Sam went into a saloon (in the west) and then Bugs was there and he dashed something onto a piece of paper, licked it, rolled it up and smoked it! Bugs had a joint!

I never noticed that before...was drug inneudo put in LT alot?

Sorry for not being specific for the episode title I didn't catch it & I know there are tons of cartoons with Sam & Bugs (in the west.)

Has anybody else seen this (in this specific episode?) Or any other episode?

I have seen this and other such scenes for 40 years and understood it perfectly. There was a time when cigarettes did not come packaged. The tobacco was held in a pouch, and poured onto the papers, then rolled into the cigarette. That is all it was. The thought that this was marajuna is a modern day conclusion based on wishful thinking and ignorance of history.

[Madison Carter]

To move this thread on, Bugs downs a handful of sleeping pills in The Big Snooze. That's about the closest I can think of, outside of all the alcohol and tobacco references throughout the series. Well, and Napoleon's snuff box, which Bugs tries, much to his regret. Honestly though, I don't see any of this as "bad" since the cartoons were aimed at adults who did drink and smoke.

[Cdawg]

I'd like to suggest to our younger members that they might watch some of the old westerns that are shown pretty frequently on some networks, like TCM etc... so that they could see some of these typical actions in context of the movies that everyone was watching (including the termite terrace gang). I suggest "High Noon" with Gary Cooper and "Destry Rides Again" with Jimmy Stewart & Marlene Dietrich. I think you will see who Bugs is acting like in the cartoons in question. The same goes for war movies, and gangster pictures. Missunderstanding hand rolling a cigerette is kind of like the confusion that many threads on this board have been about concerning old radio shows, and the characters who starred in them.

[Tim Lones]

My father used to roll his own cigarettes on occasion when he couldnt afford a carton.. He had the "rolling machine" They had a brand called "Bugler" tobacco. Probably still do

[Matthew Hunter]

In "The Scarlet Pumpernickel", Daffy tries sniffing snuff, and it makes him sneeze and cough and go crazy...apparently too strong for him. In "Gonzales' Tamales", Speedy sings the original, authentic lyrics to "la cucaracha", and in "Mexican Boarders", so does Slowpoke.

[Cartman]

While I can't think of any LT drug usages, there have been drugs in other studios' cartoons. One example is the Flip the Frog cartoon A CHINAMAN'S CHANCE. In one scene, Flip inhales some opium from a pipe and begins to get high, having hallucinations. This is definitely not something you'd see in a cartoon of today (that's aimed at kids anyway).

[bjimba]

The original "La Cucaracha" can also be heard in The Timid Toreador. I'm not sure whether anyone at Termite Terrace knew the song was about marijuana-smoking cockroaches.

[Banned Bunny]

This is definitely not something you'd see in a cartoon of today (that's aimed at kids anyway).

Well since we're not watching cartoons aimed at kids we're not going to be able to refute that statement easily. But I remember an episode of Dexter's Lab where Dexter and Deedee injested (thats a funny way of ingesting) some drug and ran around crazily for a while.

[Daff Doc]

Well since we're not watching cartoons aimed at kids we're not going to be able to refute that statement easily. But I remember an episode of Dexter's Lab where Dexter and Deedee injested (thats a funny way of ingesting) some drug and ran around crazily for a while.

That was coffee.

[Treadwell]

I can't recall which cartoon it was, but there was at least one occasion where a character, having just been fooled, transformed into "suckers" and such, and one of the items was a bottle labeled "dope".

Legal, over-the-counter (or prescribed), I'm sure. "Dope" was not a term exclusively used for illegal drugs.

Anyone see the entry on Cartoon Brew a few weeks ago about supposed drug use by Popeye? An editor of a marijuana magazine sent Amid a scan of a comic cover depicting Popeye in an "Arab sheik" setting, smoking from a hookah. The reader maintained it was a depiction of casual (and socially acceptable) marijuana use in a "bong".

Never mind that, given the setting, it would probably be opium in the hookah. And it was labeled "Spinach" besides, showing Popeye had transformed a vice into something healthy. Classic case of someone seeing what they wanted to see...

[J. B. Warner]

Anyone see the entry on Cartoon Brew a few weeks ago about supposed drug use by Popeye? An editor of a marijuana magazine sent Amid a scan of a comic cover depicting Popeye in an "Arab sheik" setting, smoking from a hookah. The reader maintained it was a depiction of casual (and socially acceptable) marijuana use in a "bong".

Never mind that, given the setting, it would probably be opium in the hookah. And it was labeled "Spinach" besides, showing Popeye had transformed a vice into something healthy. Classic case of someone seeing what they wanted to see...

Well, you know, those crazy marijuana magazines...

[Banned Bunny]

That was coffee.

Which contains a drug called caffeine, that stimulates the central nervous system.

[Ray Pointer]

[QUOTE=Treadwell]
Anyone see the entry on Cartoon Brew a few weeks ago about supposed drug use by Popeye? An editor of a marijuana magazine sent Amid a scan of a comic cover depicting Popeye in an "Arab sheik" setting, smoking from a hookah. The reader maintained it was a depiction of casual (and socially acceptable) marijuana use in a "bong"...showing Popeye had transformed a vice into something healthy. Classic case of someone seeing what they wanted to see.

Thank you! My point exactly! Conclusions of this nature are more of a reflection of the person, rather than the cartoon makers. Keep in mind that there were restrictions on the depiction of certain actions and use of lauguage in theatrical films then. Again, the importance of knowing history, social history, and specifially film history cannot be over emphasized here. :sailor:

[Ray Pointer]

Well, in RODEO ROMEO, Bluto removes the spinach from the can, and replaces it with "loco weed." This causes Popeye and later Bluto to act "under the influence."

[HannaBarberaFan]

Watch the scene in Gonzales' Tamales and see if you can figure out what :speedy: sings in the grenade scene ... ;)

Yeah, I remember that line: "marijuana por fumar"

My eyebrows raised by two metres MINIMUM when I first heard that!:eek:

[bjimba]

One other drug that I don't think has been brought up here yet is nitrous oxide (laughing gas), which I seem to remember being a common cartoon gag item. Certainly the Betty Boop short Ha Ha Ha, where they got the entire city of New York high on NO2, showed drugs in a positive light! :betty:

[RetroMan]

Yeah, I remember that line: "marijuana por fumar"

That is just a line from "La Cucaracha", which is a (relatively) innocent mexican folk song... although why are roaches regarded as schmeck fiends is beyond me.

[Ray Pointer]

One other drug that I don't think has been brought up here yet is nitrous oxide (laughing gas), which I seem to remember being a common cartoon gag item. Certainly the Betty Boop short Ha Ha Ha, where they got the entire city of New York high on NO2, showed drugs in a positive light!

Nitrous Oxide, otherwise known as "Laughing Gas" was a commonly used pain killer like Novacaine. The use of this is for medicinal purposes, and not considered a narcotic, although there is an halucinagenic affect. But the use of
these is not haabit forming as are narcotics.

On another note, the reference to HA-HA-HA, is actually a remake of the OUT OF THE INKWELL cartoon, THE CURE. The same gag about the Laughing Gas escaping, and crossing "the fourth wall" was first done then.:betty:

[Daffyfan2004]

I can think of quite a few examples. (Forgive me if these have already been mentioned. I didn't read the whole thread) Bugs sniffs snuff in "Napoleon Bunnypart" and in "Jumpin' Jupiter" Porky asks Sylvester if he's been sniffing loco weed.

[Miss Marnie]

One other drug that I don't think has been brought up here yet is nitrous oxide (laughing gas), which I seem to remember being a common cartoon gag item. Certainly the Betty Boop short Ha Ha Ha, where they got the entire city of New York high on NO2, showed drugs in a positive light! :betty:

Wasn't that on that public domain DVD called "Cartoon Crazies: Banned and Censored", which contained cartoons that were banned for one reason or another (mostly strong violence, stereotypical depictions of minorities [blacks and Asians especially], animal abuse, and some light, risque sexual content that might be taken the wrong way in these reactionary times)?

Anyway, the only drugs I notice in the classic cartoons (doesn't matter what studios they're from) are:

-tobacco (smoking cigarettes, pipes, cigars)
-alcohol (drinking beer and/or champagne , acting drunk, drinking something that has the kind of alcohol that isn't for drinking--i.e., "Bay Rum" [what [i]is that?])
-pills (this one should be obvious for those who watch Sylvester the cat cartoons)
-those supposedly healthy tonics

Although I do also want to add aphrodisiacs as the type of drugs used and abused in cartoons (both classic and contemporary).

[guy incognito]

"NO OPIUM SMOKING"

- Item on the apartment "rules" sign in Lantz's Bathing Buddies :woody:


I can't recall which cartoon it was, but there was at least one occasion where a character, having just been fooled, transformed into "suckers" and such, and one of the items was a bottle labeled "dope".

Legal, over-the-counter (or prescribed), I'm sure. "Dope" was not a term exclusively used for illegal drugs.

There are parts of the South where "dope" is actually a term for soda pop.

[Bobby Bickert]

"NO OPIUM SMOKING"

- Item on the apartment "rules" sign in Lantz's Bathing Buddies :woody:


Also, "Opium-This one's a dope." on the racing form in Knock Knock.:andy: :woody:

[janiepooh34]

Miss Marnie (and everyone else)

Bay Rum is an after shave lotion for men that was quite popular "back in the day". (Think Old Spice or something similar today.) It is actually still available from The Vermont Country Store catalog along with lots of other old time/hard to find stuff.

[Cartman]

There are parts of the South where "dope" is actually a term for soda pop.
Then I've done a lot of dope in my life.:D

[bjimba]

By the way, the bottle of "dope" in the cartoons (in the sucker, jackass, dope gags) is airplane dope, which is a fuel-proof shellac-like finish used mostly for model airplanes. Mind you, airplane dope could easily get you high, but it wasn't meant to be a drug.

[David Gates]

Isn't it in "Water, Water Every Hare" that Bugs and the mad scientist (boo) break a bottle of ether and finish the short too high to care about anything but a nap?

[Cartman]

Isn't it in "Water, Water Every Hare" that Bugs and the mad scientist (boo) break a bottle of ether and finish the short too high to care about anything but a nap?

Yep. Here's a screenshot:
http://forums.toonzone.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=432

[Ray Pointer]

In the 1970s, alcohol was declaired a "drug." In this respect, I have always had a problem with any sort of comedy, especially in cartoons that used drunkeness to derive humor. As innocent as it is, there is a major flaw in the DUMBO story this way. Dumbo is a non-conformist with a hidden natural talent. It takes his accidentally getting drunk to discover this talent.

The Pastoral sequence in FANTASIA has a fat character riding on a donkey, drunk on wine. In SLEEPING BEAUTY, the court trubador is drunk. It might be interesting to consider other examples in cartoons where drunkeness is displayed
as something amusing. Although I can think of several examples in Disney animated and live action films, let's consider other cartoons producers who might have used this same device.

[J. B. Warner]

Although I can think of several examples in Disney animated and live action films, let's consider other cartoons producers who might have used this same device.

Daffy is drunk throughout pretty much all of "Wise Quacks" (LT, Clampett, 1939).

[Daff Doc]

Woody Woodpecker had coccaine charged to his hotel bill one time. As for drunkeness, well, "Part Time Pal".:woody: :tomcat: :jerry:

[Cartman]

Both the pigs and Bosko get drunk in THE BOOZE HANGS HIGH.:bosko:

[bjimba]

Drunkenness in Looney Tunes?

Well, first of all, it appears that storks are very prone to an occasional binge. (Baby Bottleneck. Apes of Wrath, A Mouse Divided).

Cats, being social drinkers, are more prone to get sloshed in a group (Kitty Kornered, Trap Happy Porky).

Mice will sometimes get dangerously plastered in a party setting (Tabasco Road), but sometimes just a bit too much rum cake can send a lone mouse flying (The Mouse on 57th Street).

Dogs will drink anything. (Porky's Party).

Herrings sometimes get pickled. (Fresh Fish)

Even a sixteenth note can get semi-quavered. (High Note)

[David Gates]

In "Porky's Duck Hunt", an errant shotgun blast blows a submerged keg of whiskey open, intoxicating the fish. Naturally, the fish jump into a rowboat and sing "Moonlight Bay". There's a great close-up of the fish singing lead. You can just about smell his breath, it's so convincing! Unfortunately, Porky's comment on the situation either should've been dropped by Avery or Tex should've given Porky an aside to the audience like "We oughtta fire the guy who wrote that corny line!"