Adult Swim adds Popeye Show, Bob Clampett, Toonheads

[Matt Wilson]

As you may or may not have read, Adult Swim got an hour extension from 5-6 am. Rather than just air two more episodes of Family Guy, Mike Lazzo decided to send a shoutout to classic cartoon fans for sticking with CN through the bad times and the bad (yes you read that right).

From March 28th to April April 26th (Every night except Fridays):

5:00 AM - The Popeye Show
5:30 AM - The Bob Clampett Show

From April 17th onward

5:00 AM - The Popeye Show
5:30 AM - Toonheads

VCR tapers rejoice, The Bob Clampett Show is back on the air after being removed for over 3 years. And they're airing all 26 episodes before replacing it with Toonheads. Knowing how Adult Swim switched Mission Hill and Oblongs over and over and over, you will probably see Bob Clampett come back after Toonheads airs all 52(?) of its episodes.

This could possibly be the last year you'll ever get to see the show at all so don't miss out on this opportunity.

Hopefully this proves 2 things: (1) Mike Lazzo never should have stepped down from his original position of programming the network (handing it over to Samples, Higgins, etc). (2) Adult Swim is actually capable of intelligent programming decisions.

[UncleJunior]

Very good move by Messer Higgins.

Now I got something to watch when I get up in the morning. :D

[Matt Wilson]

Higgins had nothing to do with this. Mike Lazzo is in charge of Adult Swim and its programming. Before 2003, Mike Lazzo used to handle the programming of Cartoon Network. Such a beautiful time that used to be. Then as soon as he stepped down to manage Adult Swim, CN's schedule began to self-destruct and collapse on itself, as you all remember (and are probably still sore over).

This scheduling is probably a way of saying "Sorry for that time Jim Samples replaced late night classic cartoons with Dexter's Laboratory and Cow and Chicken."

[Rusty0918]

I rarely watch the actual CN network (usually only Boomerrang) since they put such garbage like "Totally Spies" up - cringeworthy...

[Jeff]

This is fantabulous news but...but...I don't see any such updates on the cartoon network website. Are you talking about the US? :confused:

[Matt Wilson]

Yes, the US Cartoon Network. This information comes from revised grids TZ just received.

[The G Man]

WOO HOO! This sounds very exciting. However, now I'm even more confused, after reading this article (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=6277). Will I have to upgrade my cable system? :confused:

[fruityvirus]

WOO HOO! This sounds very exciting. However, now I'm even more confused, after reading this article (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=6277). Will I have to upgrade my cable system? :confused:Nope.

[Geezil]

Pardon me while I first take a deep breath...

YES!!!!!!!


Thank you. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Geezil

[Martin Juneau]

How this a real new? So yes, that's surprised for a year like 2005!! :D

[Matt Wilson]

The 14 year olds at the AdultSwim.com message boards are already complaining (even though there's no possible way they actually watch Adult Swim at 5 AM to begin with).

[Geezil]

The 14 year olds at the AdultSwim.com message boards are already complaining (even though there's no possible way they actually watch Adult Swim at 5 AM to begin with).
Well, erk them this time! Let's drown 'em out with words of support. :sailor:

[Matt Wilson]

I tried that the last time Popeye Show aired on AS and they would have none of it (one of them tried to rationalize that colorized b&w toons are better than uncolorized).

Not that Adult Swim would cave to them anyway. The only reason Popeye Show was a limited engagement last time was because they said it would be. This time they seem intent on airing every episode from beginning to end.

I wonder what the full rotation is. If Toonheads and Bob Clampett switch off with each other, what would Popeye Show switch off with? I think the only other classic cartoon show CN did with themed episodes (rather than random "segments") was Tex Avery Show. Even though Tex Avery Show has pretty lame packaging, it'd be interesting to see (eventually) Tex Avery and Bob Clampett back to back. Two opposing forces colliding together.

[UncleJunior]

Any news on whether more classic toon programming like this will be mentioned in the upcoming AS Upfront?

Tex Avery would be nice. I guess the Chuck Jones Show is still not going to be shown.

[Geezil]

I wonder what the full rotation is. If Toonheads and Bob Clampett switch off with each other, what would Popeye Show switch off with? Oh, maybe a retooled version of Late Night Black & White with half-hour themed assortments?

Or ... I quake at the thought ... a step farther forward into the cobwebbed vaults of other studios?

"Hmmmmmmm ... it's a possibility!" :D

[Matt Wilson]

The Adult Swim upfront is pretty much only about their original programming, not even their acquisitions (anime). They already showed a presentation slide from the upfront on air a couple of weeks back that only discussed original programming (and Futurama for no specific reason).

Oh, maybe a retooled version of Late Night Black & White with half-hour themed assortments?

Or ... I quake at the thought ... a step farther forward into the cobwebbed vaults of other studios?The problem is that you have to justify that to the network, since it would cost money to produce such programming. I don't think the network would be too willing to fund shows that would only air at 5 in the morning. Maybe Mike Lazzo could hook up with Marc Buhaj and swipe some of the more recent Boomerang programs to show on AS but I doubt that will happen.

[Geezil]

The problem is that you have to justify that to the network, since it would cost money to produce such programming. I don't think the network would be too willing to fund shows that would only air at 5 in the morning. Maybe Mike Lazzo could hook up with Marc Buhaj and swipe some of the more recent Boomerang programs to show on AS but I doubt that will happen.
Sure, but the great thing here is that optimism still doesn't cost anything!

[UncleJunior]

"They already showed a presentation slide from the upfront on air a couple of weeks back that only discussed original programming."

I remember that. Venture Brothers wasn't on that slide show. :( Hate to go OT, but it should be renewed for Season 2.

"The 14 year olds at the AdultSwim.com message boards are already complaining."

I bet they are the same 14 year olds who think Sealab and Robot Chicken are the funniest shows ever. :rolleyes:

[Frank]

Alright!:D

[Cartman]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[J. B. Warner]

Popeye? Clampett? Toonheads? Oh, it's like I've died and gone to Heaven, except God said it wasn't my time yet so he sent me back to Earth where I discovered that Cartoon Network is showing classic cartoons again!

[Kaleido]

Should parents be "strongly cautioned" again like the week in 2002 they were warned about the adult content in Rocky and Bullwinkle and The Popeye Show?

[Leviathan]

It's a Miracle. Christmas in MArch, even.


(I hear that Adult Swim could possibly seperate from CN and become it's own channel. Wouldn't it be cool if that DID happen, that Popeye and Toonheads became part of the AS channel's regular rotation.

[Kaleido]

(I hear that Adult Swim could possibly seperate from CN and become it's own channel. Wouldn't it be cool if that DID happen, that Popeye and Toonheads became part of the AS channel's regular rotation.It would mean another channel not available in my area (even with digital or high definition cable) airing programming I want to see.

[Javeman]

Adult Swim will never become its own network because it is a LATE NIGHT block. Making it a 24 hour network will kill the purpose of the block.

Toonami has a better chance of becoming an actual network, but it won't be happening anytime soon.

[janiepooh34]

I am so excited and cannot wait to see these shows again!:)

[Emmanuel Cruz]

Yes! I thought it would be too good to be true, but we lucked out after all. Thanks CN!

-Emmanuel:bosko:

[Billybagobagels]

Just a quick question from a newcomer.

Did Adult Swim show the Fleischer Popeyes in original black and white or in the colorized versions?

thanks

[MF TOON]

beee-you-tee-ful!!!

the second my mom gets back from vacation, Im passing by to program the Tivo!


Btw, does The Popeye show air strictly the classic Fleischer shorts and do they ever broadcast colorized versions like Boomerang did month's back with their crappy Popeye marathon?


Can't wait for all these shows!

:D

[J Lee]

beee-you-tee-ful!!!

the second my mom gets back from vacation, Im passing by to program the Tivo!


Btw, does The Popeye show air strictly the classic Fleischer shorts and do they ever broadcast colorized versions like Boomerang did month's back with their crappy Popeye marathon?


Can't wait for all these shows!

:D All the B&W Fleischers are in their original form, with the opening and closing (though in some cases, not original) Paramount logos reattached. They also aired some of the Famous Studio Popeyes which have their original titles and have aired on the various Turner networks, but for final nine episodes they also dug out some of the early color Famous Popeyes (the good ones), with their original openings and closings that had never been seen on TV before, and they even spent a few $$$ to reanimate the ending of "The Hungry Goat" hidden by the AAP logo, so that the cartoon could be included in the show.

[Greg Method]

Is there an episode guide for "The Bob Clampett Show" floating around anywhere? I thought there used to be one on the site somewhere, but I couldn't find it.

[RetroMan]

http://www.tvtome.com/BobClampettShow/

Hope that helps.

[The Silver Fox]

let me take a breath of air

THE NIGHTMARE IS OVER!!!!!!!

The CN classic dry spell is over.

Will this be for good that AS will get classic line up??
:bugs2: :bugs2:
lets up it will be a perm item on the line up, as for the 14 yr olds complaining, what is there beef???

Anyway, anyone know what the time zone slot for Moutain time??
CN times are not always listed correctly. I still remember the bloopers show that was mis labeld at 8 and started in PUeblo at 9 pm

I want to set my vcr up so i can tape BC show as well as Popeye shows.

could Acme hour be set to come to AS to, could this mean the 3 am repeats of Family Guy and Future are history??

[Vdubdavid]

WHOOOPEEE!

Finally, Cartoon Network comes to its senses! Now I can finally tape that final episode of "The Popeye Show". I might start taping the Clampett show too.
As Cosmo Kramer once said "OH, YEEAHH!"

[Jeff]

http://www.tvtome.com/BobClampettShow/

Hope that helps.
Unfortunately, not really :( Episode 7 "Rover's Rival" says: "a collage of Foghorn Leghorn cartoons envolvong the dog"

Also, Episode 11 "Birdy and the Beast" says: "a collage of Syvelster and Tweety cartoons."

Surely these must be incorrect!

Anybody else have a better list of episodes, including which cartoons are in each?

Once again, very excited by this turnaround, thank you Adult Swim / Cartoon Network! Splitting "Adult Swim" as its own "subnetwork sharing the same cable channel as Cartoon Network" seems to be like a great move for us classic cartoon fans, I just hope they don't migrate to their own full-time premium channel anytime soon.

[Geezil]

Should parents be "strongly cautioned" again like the week in 2002 they were warned about the adult content in Rocky and Bullwinkle and The Popeye Show?
Only the sort of parents who manage to place the blame for everything that might go wrong in their children's lives on the media, the schools, their next door neighbors, the Democratic Party, the Supreme Court ... :rolleyes:

[ktoriyama]

There are none, alot of the post of AS have been positive and most of them are looking forward to it. Common have faith in the younger generation.

[Kyle G.]

I don't know, I've see alot of fits being thrown over on the official Adult Swim boards, many saying they are "wasting" the hour because they aren't airing their favorite Anime (which probably got dropped because it was doing poor ratings on the Saturday block ;) ) or that they continue to shove Popeye down their throats , that is of course before the threads are deleted which they seem to be doing to any on the topic :/.

[gilligan fanati]

wow I can't belive its finaly happening there back

[Dan Porceddu]

let me take a breath of air

THE NIGHTMARE IS OVER!!!!!!!

The CN classic dry spell is over.
WHOOOPEEE!

Finally, Cartoon Network comes to its senses!Guys, relax. They're just putting a couple shows on bad times at night. It's not like kids will be able to see them again.

[Leviathan]

Guys, relax. They're just putting a couple shows on bad times at night. It's not like kids will be able to see them again.
But, Dan, This is Classic Cartoons on CN. This is a miracle after CN pulled the plug after Looney Tunes. Especially considering that Jerry Beck even said that the heyday of classic cartoons on tv, period, is over.

[Thad]

While I do think it's nice that these shows are on again, I have to agree that it's simply not enough. Kids need to see these cartoons again at a time they can watch them. Who's actually watching TV at 5am anyway? Or better yet, if they're watching TV, are they paying attention?

I don't like the idea of these shows becoming part of Adult Swim's line-up anyway. They don't fit the atmosphere of the other programming they have.

-Thad

[Dan Porceddu]

But, Dan, This is Classic Cartoons on CN. This is a miracle after CN pulled the plug after Looney Tunes. Especially considering that Jerry Beck even said that the heyday of classic cartoons on tv, period, is over.I didn't mean to sound like I was complaining. I'm just pointing out a simple fact: kids won't be able to see them. This is not really a miracle as much as it is a half-full pot of dog food that's been given to a dog that just died.

[Dan Porceddu]

I don't like the idea of these shows becoming part of Adult Swim's line-up anyway. They don't fit the atmosphere of the other programming they have.I have to agree. Mixing Popeye with "Home Movies" is quite a damaging referendum of what Cartoon Network thinks of the classic animation they have rights to.

[Leviathan]

While I do think it's nice that these shows are on again, I have to agree that it's simply not enough. Kids need to see these cartoons again at a time they can watch them. Who's actually watching TV at 5am anyway? Or better yet, if they're watching TV, are they paying attention?

I don't like the idea of these shows becoming part of Adult Swim's line-up anyway. They don't fit the atmosphere of the other programming they have.

-ThadThe thing is, Thad, Kids are notoriously nondiscriminating in what they watch (To Most Kids, It doesn't matter if The Popeye Show or Totally Spies is on on Sunday Night. Hell, They'll watch an hour of static if they assume there's nothing better on. Sad but true :( ). So, it's wiser to put the Classics on a Programming block dediated to the 18-34 crowd, which arte far more likely to acutally care about the classics, and celebrate their creativity and artistic merit (And considering that the decision for the Classics has been called at least one expletive on the AS.com message boards, the classics may not even click with them)

[cabe624]

While I agree that these cartoons don't fit the atmosphere of Adult Swim, it's still great to see these shows back on CN. I never had the opportunity to watch even one episode of "The Bob Clampett Show", so I will most certainly tape every episode - even if I have all the cartoons. I had Boomerang all of the time that CN didn't air Looney Tunes shorts, so I didn't really feel the unpleasantness of not being able to watch the cartoons on TV. If only they would bring back LNB&W...

[LooneyTuneLover]

This is great I never thought i would see "Toonheads" or" The Bob Clampett Show" ever again on CN. As soon as found out about the news I turned on my DirectTV DVRTivo and looked on the CN to see if i could tape it ahead of time in case i forgot to record it, so i was skipping some dates intil it got on 3/28/05 and at the 5:00 am or 5:30 am Schedule and it said "Time Sguad" and "The Adventures Of Captain Plannet." However the next day (3/29/05) I looked and it said Popeye" and "The Bob clampett" Show so i guess it starts on Tuesday 3/29/05( insted of 3/28/05) with Popeye and "The bob Clampett Show" (so i selected the 2 programs and put record) at 5:00-6:00 am. But it might be a mistake on the CN schedule or maybee its 3/28 so i think its 3/29 so im a little cunfused on the dates on this site and the dates on the Tivo. Can someone help me out?

[Cartman]

Does anyone know where I can find an episode guide to "The Popeye Show?":sailor:

[Matt Wilson]

While I do think it's nice that these shows are on again, I have to agree that it's simply not enough.The Bob Clampett Show probably was never going to air again if it wasn't for Mike Lazzo's decision to run it on Adult Swim. Regardless of the scenario of the generic packages like "ACME Hour" ever having a chance at a timeslot, you have to be grateful that SOMEONE thought to give TBCS another chance. If ACME Hour or Bugs and Daffy were to air again on CN they'd just be the same editted to hell, colorized versions of shorts. At least with Clampett and Popeye Show you know you're going to get some uncut, uncolorized material.

I don't like the idea of these shows becoming part of Adult Swim's line-up anyway. They don't fit the atmosphere of the other programming they have.Well, you're just going to have to deal with it. Cartoon Network, Jim Samples, Bob Higgins simply do not give a rat's ass about LTs. Don't take that out on Lazzo or Adult Swim. Adult Swim is a legally-binding separate network from CN now. This was announced last month. They are pretty much run by different people, their scheduling is handled by different people (aka Lazzo), their budget is separate, their Neilson reports are separate, etc. CN did not say "put these shows on Adult Swim." CN's senior VPs do not have the power to do that. Plus, I'm pretty sure that Jim Samples doesn't want to see another Popeye cartoon again, based on some of his rash programming decisions back in late 2003.

Mike Lazzo put these shows on Adult Swim to honor them and provide a service to enthusiasts and collectors, a service CN has no interest in providing for the rest of their life. Give him SOME credit. Think of it as an apology for the time CN replaced all of the 2-5am classic material with Cartoon Cartoons.

As for not fitting the atmosphere, it's time to alter that atmosphere and cultivate some diversity. I can see comedy, action, and vintage sitting side by side very well. They just have to package and hype it properly. Audiences may not be receptive at first but they'll come around. AS has to at least TRY. A few sour opinions on a message board means very little. I remember that when it aired in primetime, The Popeye Show scored well with 18-49 year olds, as did the ToonHeads Wartime special.

As for kids not being able to see them... that would follow the assumption that kids don't watch Adult Swim, which is so amazingly untrue.

[David Gates]

Mike Lazzo put these shows on Adult Swim to honor them and provide a service to enthusiasts and collectors, a service CN has no interest in providing for the rest of their life. Give him SOME credit. Think of it as an apology for the time CN replaced all of the 2-5am classic material with Cartoon Cartoons.
Amen. I'm just glad to get another last chance to record all the Popeye shows I missed.

[Dan Porceddu]

As for kids not being able to see them... that would follow the assumption that kids don't watch Adult Swim, which is so amazingly untrue.Ahem... there goes your once-often-used argument that only adults watch Adult Swim. :rolleyes:

The fact is, the kids watching Adult Swim don't want to see classic cartoons; they want to see animated women in scanty clothing and cartoons saying the word "damn" late at night while their parents are asleep. Kids who WANT to see classic animation won't be up late at night when they expect that tripe like Adult Swim will be on.

[Thad]

The Bob Clampett Show probably was never going to air again if it wasn't for Mike Lazzo's decision to run it on Adult Swim. Regardless of the scenario of the generic packages like "ACME Hour" ever having a chance at a timeslot, you have to be grateful that SOMEONE thought to give TBCS another chance. If ACME Hour or Bugs and Daffy were to air again on CN they'd just be the same editted to hell, colorized versions of shorts. At least with Clampett and Popeye Show you know you're going to get some uncut, uncolorized material.I already said that I'm glad that they're airing these programs. I know Mike Lazzo probably does care, and there's only a limit to what he can program, but does that mean I'm not allowed to think they could do better?

Well, you're just going to have to deal with it. Cartoon Network, Jim Samples, Bob Higgins simply do not give a rat's ass about LTs. Don't take that out on Lazzo or Adult Swim. Adult Swim is a legally-binding separate network from CN now. This was announced last month. They are pretty much run by different people, their scheduling is handled by different people (aka Lazzo), their budget is separate, their Neilson reports are separate, etc. CN did not say "put these shows on Adult Swim." CN's senior VPs do not have the power to do that. Plus, I'm pretty sure that Jim Samples doesn't want to see another Popeye cartoon again, based on some of his rash programming decisions back in late 2003. Like I said, I agree that it's nice but 5am just won't cut it. The shows deserve better.

Mike Lazzo put these shows on Adult Swim to honor them and provide a service to enthusiasts and collectors, a service CN has no interest in providing for the rest of their life. Give him SOME credit. Think of it as an apology for the time CN replaced all of the 2-5am classic material with Cartoon Cartoons.I already did. I'll say it again, just for the record, that I am glad Mike Lazzo made these changes, but CN is still beyond saving.

As for not fitting the atmosphere, it's time to alter that atmosphere and cultivate some diversity. I can see comedy, action, and vintage sitting side by side very well. They just have to package and hype it properly. Audiences may not be receptive at first but they'll come around. AS has to at least TRY. A few sour opinions on a message board means very little. I remember that when it aired in primetime, The Popeye Show scored well with 18-49 year olds, as did the ToonHeads Wartime special.No matter what you say, you're not going to convince me into thinking playing Bugs Bunny after Home Movies in the same block is diversity. I would have loved to see Adult Swim do what you said before and make those three types of programming, but Adult Swim has already made its image, and the classics don't fit into it.

As for kids not being able to see them... that would follow the assumption that kids don't watch Adult Swim, which is so amazingly untrue.We all know mostly kids watch Adult Swim, but that doesn't mean they're up at 5AM to see 'that boring black-and-white gay Popeye and Porky crap'. I'm not talking about those kids. I'm talking about the kids in the 4-8 area that have never seen Bugs Bunny before, and no matter what you say, those kids aren't going to be up at 5AM.

I apologize for repeating myself so often as well...


-Thad

[The Silver Fox]

I wonder if its a test to see how good the shows would play, on AS, it could mean we could see the shows appear in a better time slot later, such as after AS finishes there reg line up and starts to repeat it, example
the 3 am repeat of Family Guy in the Moutain time zone.

Amen that the shows deserve better, and CN is pretty much a Dead station from 7 am to 12 am Mountain time, and with the violance question asked,
the CC show are worse then the classic animation. Ever seen the violance in an episode of Eds???? There sometimes worse then the slapstick used in the classic animation.

I am thinking there are looking to see how the late nite crowd likes the animation return and if all works it could signal a return.

Maybe Disney can take a page here to, and return Vault Disney to there late nite block, and dump some of the tired sitcoms repeats and burn out eposodes of some the better shows they have on that time block.

I still remember reading the HATe toward the programers of disney when Vault ended in early 00.

I know i send a few unhappy messages when they pulled the plug, cause that only left TVland with a decent sceduale to watch in the early morning hours ( 1 am to 4 am Moutain time).

Lets hope it signals a big change and maybe can spell the end to the Poor Line ups
:bugs2:

[JDWeil]

It's more thsan likely that these shows will end up on Bomerang thatn CN. Boomerang is supposed to be the repository for classic animation. (Too bad my system doesn't carry it.)

[fruityvirus]

We all know mostly kids watch Adult Swim,
Only in the summer. During the school year, young adults are still the dominating force and the average # of those people watching Adult Swim remains quite consistant year round. While teens and kids viewership soar in the summer by at least double.

but that doesn't mean they're up at 5AM to see 'that boring black-and-white gay Popeye and Porky crap'. I'm not talking about those kids. I'm talking about the kids in the 4-8 area that have never seen Bugs Bunny before, and no matter what you say, those kids aren't going to be up at 5AM.
I know I was when I was a kid, for some dumb reason. Waking up around 5:20 or 5:30. In fact, someone wrote a letter (http://forums.toonzone.net/showpost.php?p=1619549&postcount=43) to the PTC about her kids being up at a time like 4:30 AM seeing an ad for Robot Chicken. Wacky. Unfortunately I don't know when kids wake up these days.

[Javeman]

I already did. I'll say it again, just for the record, that I am glad Mike Lazzo made these changes, but CN is still beyond saving.What do you mean by saving? AFAIK CN is doing just fine right now.

[Jeff]

What do you mean by saving? AFAIK CN is doing just fine right now. He means "saving" in terms of "redeeming in the eyes of classic animation fans".

Anyway, I guess I half expected that any good news will be met with some message board results of "ok, but it's not good enough", but just this once I wish I had been wrong...

[Thad]

What do you mean by saving? AFAIK CN is doing just fine right now.
The Disney Channel is doing just fine right now too.

-Thad

[Javeman]

The Disney Channel is doing just fine right now too.

-ThadNot as good as CN.

[Leviathan]

Not as good as CN.
Yeah, CN has to be doing SOMETHING right (Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends ,anyone?)

[Philo & Gunge]

YES!!!! This is the best news ever! Finally, I won't have to wait every 3 months to see LT's on TCM (even though they'd rather show nothing but MGM cartoons :rolleyes: ). I can't wait to tell my friend at school about this, he LOVES Looney Tunes.

[Dan Porceddu]

Not as good as CN.I think it may, just possibly, be fair to assume that Thad could have been being sarcastic.

Either way, I agree that CN is doing just fine right now. Check out their kickass weekday morning line-up:
6:00 Transformers Energon
6:30 Jackie Chan
7:00 Totally Spies
7:30 Codename: Kids Next Door
8:00 Ed, Edd, & Eddy
8:30 Mucha Lucha!
9:00 Baby Looney Tunes
9:30 Baby Looney Tunes

Now if that doesn't glue you to the tube for four hours, nothing will.

[Geezil]

Well, at least this thread started on a positive note ... :sailor: :bugs1: :bosko: :dodo:

[Matt Wilson]

I think it may, just possibly, be fair to assume that Thad could have been being sarcastic.

Either way, I agree that CN is doing just fine right now. Check out their kickass weekday morning line-up:
6:00 Transformers Energon
6:30 Jackie Chan
7:00 Totally Spies
7:30 Codename: Kids Next Door
8:00 Ed, Edd, & Eddy
8:30 Mucha Lucha!
9:00 Baby Looney Tunes
9:30 Baby Looney Tunes

Now if that doesn't glue you to the tube for four hours, nothing will.Actually, CN's starting a 2-6 year old block in the mornings that will take out most of those extra rerun placements. Also Jackie Chan and Energon do not air anywhere else on the network. That 6 AM timeslot seems like the place for poorly-received shows to silently dissolve away.

My problem with the network is that their primetime lineup still lacks cohesion. The shows are mishmashed together with no flow or common element connecting them. Once they can take care of that, CN's daily lineup will be pretty solid, if entirely modern-minded and full of shows you, I, and other people don't want to watch (but kids do!!).

If CN ever were to care about classic animation again I'd like to see them do something with the weekends. The sunday night block of Toonheads, Tex Avery, Chuck Jones, and ACME Hour from 2002-2003 was great counterprogramming to FOX Primetime. They should really bring that back. But of course CN doesn't care and they're not gonna do jack.

[Daff Doc]

Well at least we'll have a tiny Adult Swim logo over these great shows instead of the huge CN.:sailor: :sowhite: :dodo:

[Thad]

Well at least we'll have a tiny Adult Swim logo over these great shows instead of the huge CN.:sailor: :sowhite: :dodo:
That's probably the best thing to come out of this... :tweety:

-Thad

[The G Man]

I've looked on TV Guide and I still see no mention of these ... :confused:

[gilligan fanati]

http://schedule.cartoonnetwork.com/xmlServices/ScheduleServices?methodName=mainScheduleit

its here

[song cycle]

Is this for real? I can't see any mention of it anywhere?

[J. B. Warner]

What gives? I turned on CN this morning expecting "The Popeye Show" and I got a face full of "Time Squad"...did I miss a Daylight Savings Time announcement or what?

[pmh2k4]

What gives? I turned on CN this morning expecting "The Popeye Show" and I got a face full of "Time Squad"...did I miss a Daylight Savings Time announcement or what?
Oddly enough, it doesn't start until TOMORROW morning. :confused: I don't really know why they decided to start it on a Tuesday, but that's why you're not seeing it.

[J. B. Warner]

Oddly enough, it doesn't start until TOMORROW morning. :confused: I don't really know why they decided to start it on a Tuesday, but that's why you're not seeing it.
Ah...so I woke up early today for nothing. Got it.

[Shemp]

What gives? I turned on CN this morning expecting "The Popeye Show" and I got a face full of "Time Squad"...did I miss a Daylight Savings Time announcement or what?

You didn't miss anything. CN's daily schedule starts at 6AM.

"Monday 5AM" in CN-schedule-talk = Tuesday 5AM

[Cartman]

You didn't miss anything. CN's daily schedule starts at 6AM.

"Monday 5AM" in CN-schedule-talk = Tuesday 5AM
That explains why I got an episode of "Captain Planet" when I set my VCR for recording.

[Geezil]

Hello again, Popeye and Bob Clampett!

And goodbye for a while (hopefully a long while), "Time Squad and Captain Planet in the Morning," at any hour. Don't let the door hit you on your way out. :D

[Cartoon King]

That explains why I got an episode of "Captain Planet" when I set my VCR for recording.
I had the same dratted luck. Come back from vacation this afternoon expecting BCS and Popeye on my videotape and got this drivel instead. Ah, well.:ysam:

[Greg Method]

Well, I know there are a few people out there who, like me, were hoping some sort of episode guide for "The Bob Clampett Show" would turn up (I coulda sworn Thad had one on his site back in the Toonzone days...oh well). Of course, TV Tome and the like are a joke, so I decided to track down any and all airdate info I could find...thanks to some major Googling.

I am about 99 percent sure the following comprised the first thirteen episodes in this order. All cartoons are in color unless noted:

1 - Draftee Daffy/Falling Hare/The Timid Toreador
2 - A Corny Concerto/The Hep Cat/Porky's Hero Agency
3 - Baby Bottleneck/Buckaroo Bugs/A Tale Of Two Kitties
4 - The Big Snooze/The Cagey Canary/Porky's Last Stand
5 - The Great Piggy Bank Robbery/Porky In Egypt/Porky In Wackyland (B/W)
6 - What's Cookin', Doc?/Porky's Picnic/The Wise Quacking Duck
7 - Kitty Kornered/Rover's Rival/Wabbit Twouble
8 - Bugs Bunny Gets The Boid/A Gruesome Twosome/Book Revue
9 - Tick Tock Tuckered/The Daffy Doc/Wacky Blackout (B/W)
10 - Hare Ribbin'/Porky & Daffy/Porky's Movie Mystery
11 - Birdy And The Beast/Porky's Tire Trouble/The Lone Stranger And Porky (B/W)
12 - The Old Grey Hare/Wise Quacks/Porky's Naughty Nephew
13 - The Wacky Wabbit/What Price Porky/The Bashful Buzzard

For the remaining thirteen episodes, available information is spotty at best. I have found the contents of all of them, but I have no idea what the correct episode order is. For the list below, I have simply ordered them based on the earliest airdate I could find (which means a given episode may have aired earlier but just wasn't noted anywhere I looked). Again, all cartoons are in color unless noted. Beany and Cecil shorts are noted with a (B&C):

01/28/01 - An Itch In Time/Porky's Hotel/Eatin' On The Cuff (B/W)
02/04/01 - Prehistoric Porky/Meet John Doughboy/Chicken Jitters (B/W)
02/11/01 - SuperCecil (B&C)/We The Animals, Squeak/Nutty News (B/W)
02/18/01 - Bacall To Arms/Porky's Party/Get Rich Quick Porky
03/02/01 - Tortoise Wins By A Hare/Porky's Poor Fish/The Film Fan (B/W)
03/04/01 - Goofy Groceries/Polar Pals/The Chewin' Bruin (B/W)
03/11/01 - Beanyland (B&C)/Porky's Snooze Reel/The Sour Puss (B/W)
03/25/01 - The Wildman Of Wildsville (B&C)/Porky's Badtime Story/Scalp Trouble (B/W)
04/06/01 - Horton Hatches The Egg/Naughty Neighbors/Patient Porky
04/08/01 - Beany Meets The Monstrous Monster (B&C)/Slap Happy Pappy/Pied Piper Porky
04/20/01 - Russian Rhapsody/The Henpecked Duck/Porky's Poppa
04/27/01 - Wagon Heels/Farm Frolics/Porky's Pooch (B/W)
04/29/01 - The Spots Off A Leopard (B&C)/Porky's Five And Ten/Jeepers Creepers (B/W)

Any corrections are more than welcomed.

Hope this helps.

[J. B. Warner]

Figures I slept through the first episodes...that doesn't bode well for the rest of the series' runs.

[UncleJunior]

Same thing happened to me. :( :(

[gilligan fanati]

Well, I know there are a few people out there who, like me, were hoping some sort of episode guide for "The Bob Clampett Show" would turn up (I coulda sworn Thad had one on his site back in the Toonzone days...oh well). Of course, TV Tome and the like are a joke, so I decided to track down any and all airdate info I could find...thanks to some major Googling.

I am about 99 percent sure the following comprised the first thirteen episodes in this order. All cartoons are in color unless noted:

1 - Draftee Daffy/Falling Hare/The Timid Toreador
2 - A Corny Concerto/The Hep Cat/Porky's Hero Agency
3 - Baby Bottleneck/Buckaroo Bugs/A Tale Of Two Kitties
4 - The Big Snooze/The Cagey Canary/Porky's Last Stand
5 - The Great Piggy Bank Robbery/Porky In Egypt/Porky In Wackyland (B/W)
6 - What's Cookin', Doc?/Porky's Picnic/The Wise Quacking Duck
7 - Kitty Kornered/Rover's Rival/Wabbit Twouble
8 - Bugs Bunny Gets The Boid/A Gruesome Twosome/Book Revue
9 - Tick Tock Tuckered/The Daffy Doc/Wacky Blackout (B/W)
10 - Hare Ribbin'/Porky & Daffy/Porky's Movie Mystery
11 - Birdy And The Beast/Porky's Tire Trouble/The Lone Stranger And Porky (B/W)
12 - The Old Grey Hare/Wise Quacks/Porky's Naughty Nephew
13 - The Wacky Wabbit/What Price Porky/The Bashful Buzzard

For the remaining thirteen episodes, available information is spotty at best. I have found the contents of all of them, but I have no idea what the correct episode order is. For the list below, I have simply ordered them based on the earliest airdate I could find (which means a given episode may have aired earlier but just wasn't noted anywhere I looked). Again, all cartoons are in color unless noted. Beany and Cecil shorts are noted with a (B&C):

01/28/01 - An Itch In Time/Porky's Hotel/Eatin' On The Cuff (B/W)
02/04/01 - Prehistoric Porky/Meet John Doughboy/Chicken Jitters (B/W)
02/11/01 - SuperCecil (B&C)/We The Animals, Squeak/Nutty News (B/W)
02/18/01 - Bacall To Arms/Porky's Party/Get Rich Quick Porky
03/02/01 - Tortoise Wins By A Hare/Porky's Poor Fish/The Film Fan (B/W)
03/04/01 - Goofy Groceries/Polar Pals/The Chewin' Bruin (B/W)
03/11/01 - Beanyland (B&C)/Porky's Snooze Reel/The Sour Puss (B/W)
03/25/01 - The Wildman Of Wildsville (B&C)/Porky's Badtime Story/Scalp Trouble (B/W)
04/06/01 - Horton Hatches The Egg/Naughty Neighbors/Patient Porky
04/08/01 - Beany Meets The Monstrous Monster (B&C)/Slap Happy Pappy/Pied Piper Porky
04/20/01 - Russian Rhapsody/The Henpecked Duck/Porky's Poppa
04/27/01 - Wagon Heels/Farm Frolics/Porky's Pooch (B/W)
04/29/01 - The Spots Off A Leopard (B&C)/Porky's Five And Ten/Jeepers Creepers (B/W)

Any corrections are more than welcomed.

Hope this helps.
oh boy that all sounds good. Thanks for the info

[fruityvirus]

Same thing happened to me. :( :(Not me. Good thing for TiVo and VCRs. :tweety:

[Bartman]

I happened to be awake extra early this morning, and I caught the tail end of the BOB CLAMPETT show - they were broadcasting 'THE TIMID TORREADOR', albeit in its computer-colored version...:ham:

[pmh2k4]

I'm taping the episodes of the Bob Clampett Show on S-VHS, and I'm eventually gonna transfer then to DVDs once I get a new hard drive.

[Geezil]

I happened to be awake extra early this morning, and I caught the tail end of the BOB CLAMPETT show - they were broadcasting 'THE TIMID TORREADOR', albeit in its computer-colored version...:ham:
...which, IMHO, still makes all such versions look 1000% better than the redrawns! And it still beats me why WB couldn't just have been patient enough to wait for technology to catch up in the first place.

(Yes, I know ... $$$ ... but the 1990s versions would have been at least as valuable if those redrawns had never existed.)

(Of course, had the redrawns never existed, there would have been a lot more room left over in all those PD packages!)

(OK, stop pushing. I'm outta here.)

[corey3rd]

[QUOTE=Geezil]...which, IMHO, still makes all such versions look 1000% better than the redrawns! And it still beats me why WB couldn't just have been patient enough to wait for technology to catch up in the first place.
[QUOTE]

Actually Ted Turner signed off on the redraws before he joined up with Warners.

[cabe624]

My VCR is going to crap out soon, so I'm finally going to update to a DirecTV TiVo. When a dual layer DVD recorder is released, I'll transfer the episodes to DVD. My Sony VCR has served me good for 4 years of endless recording without wearing out. I just can't stand spending $4 for a premium quality T-160 tape. The end result (picture quality, durability) is not worth it.

[J Lee]

[QUOTE=Geezil]...which, IMHO, still makes all such versions look 1000% better than the redrawns! And it still beats me why WB couldn't just have been patient enough to wait for technology to catch up in the first place.
[QUOTE]

Actually Ted Turner signed off on the redraws before he joined up with Warners. Turner commissioned the redrawn Popeye and pre-1934 Merrie Melodie redrawns; he didn't have anything to do with the colorization of the Looney Tunes in the late 1960s. The credit/blame there falls on the shoulders of AAP founder Elliot Hyman, who make a ton of money from selling the company to United Artists and started up Seven Arts productions. They contracted with Fred Ladd (who earlier indroduced the first anime cartoons to U.S. television) and his new compamy, Color Systems Technologies, to colorize the LT shorts after Seven Arts acquired them through their purchase of Guild Flims. Then, between the period the cartoons were shipped off to Korea for colorization and the time they returned to the U.S., Hyman bought out Warner Bros from J.L., which is how the cartoons ended up back in the studio's possession.

[Kyle G.]

Since nobody has mentioned it yet...

They will NOT being showing any of the episodes of The Bob Clampett Show that featured Beany & Cecil. Kind of a bummer, not realy because of the B&C shorts (Which are available on DVD) but because of some of the other shorts featured on those episodes. :befuddled

[Cartman]

Since nobody has mentioned it yet...

They will NOT being showing any of the episodes of The Bob Clampett Show that featured Beany & Cecil. Kind of a bummer, not realy because of the B&C shorts (Which are available on DVD) but because of some of the other shorts featured on those episodes. :befuddled
Do you actually know this for a fact? I was hoping to get cartoons uncut.

[Matt Wilson]

Cartoon Network probably lost the rights to run B&C, which would make sense since they have not aired outside of the Bob Clampett Show so they haven't been aired since what, 2001?

[Thad]

So we won't be seeing episodes 15, 17, 20, 23, and 26... That means we won't be seeing SCALP TROUBLE, JEEPERS CREEPERS, NUTTY NEWS, or THE SOUR PUSS either. (All of which were originally broadcasted unedited and in black-and-white)

-Thad

[Cartman]

What a letdown!:( Well at least it isn't a total loss.

[Leviathan]

So we won't be seeing episodes 15, 17, 20, 23, and 26... That means we won't be seeing SCALP TROUBLE, JEEPERS CREEPERS, NUTTY NEWS, or THE SOUR PUSS either. (All of which were originally broadcasted unedited and in black-and-white)

-Thad
Yeah, this has completely ruined my enthusiasm for Adult Swim's decision

[ThePeterNetwork]

Fortunately for me, I wake up at the time that The Popeye Show and The Bob Clampett Show air. Unfortunately, I need to know the weather, so I don't catch the beginning of the Classic Cartoon block. At least, not this morning, but what I did catch of the Popeye show was remarkable. To see the original opening titles of the Fleischer B/W Popeyes, not to mention the near-surrealist animation of the Fleischer toons was a delight to the eyes. The opening to Bob Clampett was cute too.

Kudos to Jerry Beck and all the others who put these fine programs together, as well as the smart people of Adult Swim for putting, nay, bringing these shows back. I'll be sure to catch the weather the night before so I can watch my classics in the morning. I just hope that I don't get so caught up in it that I forget to wash/dress in the morning.

[David Gates]

I just hope that I don't get so caught up in it that I forget to wash/dress in the morning.
So do we....:p

Seriously, I'm about to start waking up at 4:00 am to make absolutely sure the recorder starts and the DirecTv is on the right channel. It seems that gremlins have invaded the entertainment center.

[LooneyTuneLover]

What a letdown!:( Well at least it isn't a total loss.yaeh what a bummer :(. but atleast there airing the show on Adult Swim

[Twage]

Classic fans don't get black-and-white cartoons, anime fans don't get subtitled cartoons. There's always a catch.

On the other hand, they're FREEEEEEE (outside the cost of cable at least). :)

[Jeff]

I enjoyed seeing "Russian Rhapsody" last night on TBCS. That was my first time seeing it and thought it was great...

[Kyle G.]

Case Closed and Lupin III confirmed for 5AM starting May 1st...


http://schedule.adultswim.com/servlet/ScheduleServlet?action=AS&theDate=5/1/05&timeZone=EST

Only two more weeks of classic Popeye :sailor: :(.

[Martin Juneau]

Case Closed and Lupin III confirmed for 5AM starting May 1st...


http://schedule.adultswim.com/servlet/ScheduleServlet?action=AS&theDate=5/1/05&timeZone=EST

Only two more weeks of classic Popeye :sailor: :(.

It's already real, guys!! :confused:

[Kyle G.]

This is the first it has been listed as on the website. Otherwise, yes it has been known for some time.

[Daff Doc]

Can't anything be done? I normally wouldn't want to do this but if enough of us go to the adult swim forums we can really accomplish something and it's probably really the best way. I think about 500 golden age cartoon fans can do something and I'm willing to register if others will. We tend to view these whiny 14 year olds as the only adult swim audience but we're the audience too and we contribute to the adult swim ratings as well.

These "14 year olds" were a threat and they accomplished something so we need to act. I'm also afraid I see Popeye fading fast with him being erased from the general publics memory and alot of people waiting eons for an official Popeye video and still waiting. We've come along way from him being one of the top cultural icons and being one of the most syndicated cartoon series on telivision. And why should we let the best thing to happen to Popeye in over 40 years, The Popeye Show, be done this way?

The two series that adult swim chose to air in their extended program hour, The Popeye Show and The Bob Clampet Show, were the two best shows cartoon network ever produced; the whole thing has been the smartest move adult swim has ever made.

Let's do it for the best sailor to ever be known!:sailor: :dodo:

[Thad]

I reiterate...

So the classic cartoons were really just filler. Gee what surprise... :rolleyes: :shame:


-Thad

[LooneyTuneLover]

It was to good to last but hey look at the bright side atleast they aired these shows for a certain amount of time I thought i would never see another classic thing on CN channel it was fun while it lasted :(.

[Geezil]

Suggestion: Go back and re-read post #102 from Daff Doc above. Then, take a deep breath ... OK, take several deep breaths ... and go register at the Adult Swim boards ... if you've not already done so.

With calm and positive energy, state your case for more future cycles of classic toons on Adult Swim. Mike Lazzo did it once and could very well do it again, next time as more than just "filler."

Ignore any flaming you might incur from the board's "regulars," and keep on stating your case at every opportunity.

Now, truthfully, wouldn't that at least make you feel just a little better than this business of throwing up our collective hands and walking away, muttering "see, they did it to us poor defenseless victims again"?

At least think about it. (I have.)

George W. as the "Americans don't give up (our classic toons)!" Geezil

[Jeff]

Suggestion: Go back and re-read post #102 from Daff Doc above. Then, take a deep breath ... OK, take several deep breaths ... and go register at the Adult Swim boards ... if you've not already done so.

With calm and positive energy, state your case for more future cycles of classic toons on Adult Swim. Mike Lazzo did it once and could very well do it again, next time as more than just "filler."

Ignore any flaming you might incur from the board's "regulars," and keep on stating your case at every opportunity.

Now, truthfully, wouldn't that at least make you feel just a little better than this business of throwing up our collective hands and walking away, muttering "see, they did it to us poor defenseless victims again"?

At least think about it. (I have.)


Where is this thread? Please post a link...

[Jeff]

Or is this a case where everyone says "Go do something about it" and then no one cares to bother?

I wonder which it is (http://boards.adultswim.com/adultswim/board/message?board.id=5&message.id=532860&jump=true)...

[Geezil]

Or is this a case where everyone says "Go do something about it" and then no one cares to bother?

I wonder which it is (http://boards.adultswim.com/adultswim/board/message?board.id=5&message.id=532860&jump=true)...

Rave on, sir! I was registered well before you sent that post.

And, yes, that link you provided is the one I meant. Thanks!

Now, who else is with me???????

[Jeff]

Rave on, sir! I was registered well before you sent that post.

And, yes, that link you provided is the one I meant. Thanks!

Now, who else is with me???????

Um, I started that thread on [as] only after I saw that no one else was bothering to say anything over there. And I still haven't seen any real support...

I guess the question is....who is with me?

[Geezil]

Well, some of us are better formulating our thoughts for when we get home from work tonight. Give us a little time, eh? Speaking for myself, I'm armed and ready.

And perhaps you recall the Open Letter to Cable Execs that I presented here a while back? Anyone who'd like to search that out and retool it for the occasion as you see fit will be more than welcome.

EDIT: And who else'll be with us? (How's that?) :D

[Daff Doc]

Yes Adult Swim is an open window for classic cartoons so we need to take charge! BTW I registered and posted.:droopy: :red: :wolfie:

[Twage]

Case Closed and Lupin III confirmed for 5AM starting May 1st...


http://schedule.adultswim.com/servlet/ScheduleServlet?action=AS&theDate=5/1/05&timeZone=EST

Only two more weeks of classic Popeye :sailor: :(.

Ah well. At least they chose something fun.