A future GACster... another 11 year old who cares

[Jon Cooke]

I just got this e-mail yesterday and wanted to share. I think Douglas is going to fit right in. :)

3/16/05
Dear GAC,
I'm an 11 year old who cares about the genius of Bob Clampett (My favorite cartoon director by a tiny hair!) Tex Avery,Chuck Jones,Friz Freleng,Robert Mckimson,Frank Tashlin,and other Directors in the Golden age of Cartoons! And I don't care to much about these mordern cartoons and Manga Shows like most 11 year olds do. Any way I can't post on GAC fourms yet but I will A.S.A.P. I feel like the only 11 year old on earth who watches and researches these cartoons although I haven't seen any Screen gems, UPA,Terry Toons,or Walter Lantz cartoons, and I haven't seen a disney cartoon in about 6 years and I don't think I've seen a Depatie-Freleng cartoon in a longer time! Hopefully All the currnet prints of this crappy show "Loonatics"; will be eaten by a shark runned over by an Ajax steam Roller
and struck by lightning! See you in 2 years on GAC Fourms!
From,
Douglas Edwards

p.s. Show classic cartoons on T.V. uncut, unreissued, and unrecolorized!
p.p.s. Please post this on GAC fourms!
p.p.p.s. Does any one know where to get a good copy of "Coal Black and De Seven Dwarfs"?
p.p.p.p.s. Looney Tunes should be rated PG!

[Emmanuel Cruz]

Wow, the future does look bright. :)

Little Doug is going to be a great member when he comes ago. See you kid when you're 13 and I'm 19. Nice e-mail you got, Jon.

-Emmanuel:bosko:

[cabe624]

Wow... this kid knows his stuff. To find an 11 year old that still watches classic Looney Tunes shorts is rare, but to find one who knows all the directors and knows rare shorts like "Coal Black"? Amazing. Thanks for sharing, Jon.

[Thad]

Wow... this kid knows his stuff. To find an 11 year old that still watches classic Looney Tunes shorts is rare, but to find one who knows all the directors and knows rare shorts like "Coal Black"? Amazing. Thanks for sharing, Jon.
I knew about the racist/politically incorrect stuff when I was about his age too. I just never thought I'd see any of them!

(Funny personal story I've never posted... When I was in 2nd grade I read Jerry Beck's Tweety & Sylvester book for a book report! The basic reaction was "You should be reading picture books with Tweety, not extensive textual histories about him!")

-Thad

[Tom Stathes]

Just curious Jon, could a youngster (sheesh, look who's talking:D ) be let in based on his knowledge and maturity?

I was on TTTP legitimately after age 13, but had joined other forums before I "should have":cool:

-Tom

[The G Man]

I've had the Beck/Friedwald book since I was 10 (before the Internet became what it is today). That book really played a big role in my enthusiasm towards WB cartoons (not to mention my membership on this board ;)).

[ALK]

I have a question Jon. Why can't you change the age limit and let the kid in?

[RetroMan]

yeah, let him in! He seems just as enthusiastic as anyone of us! Him knowing about Coal Black is really something, when I was his age, I was only learning the names of the old masters.

[Thad]

I think being 11 years-old on a message board violates some sort of internet privacy law. Oh well...

-Thad

[J. B. Warner]

Hey, at his age, I was just as enthusiastic - and knowledgable - about the classics. Hope to see him on the board in two years!

[Tom Stathes]

Hmmm, when I was 8 or so, I was ranting and raving about seeing Alice Comedies since I saw some framegrabs in The Disney Studio Story.

I certainly admire this kid, as any other kid who comes forward with a love of vintage animation. Whether he's allowed on or not at this age, I'd surely like for him to be a part of GAC at some point in time.

-Tom

[mmm...donuts]

When I was 11 (and this means 4 years ago...;) ) I already was a golden age cartoons fan, but I sure didn't know all the things he does. I'm sure he'd be a great GAC member.

[cbrubaker]

I was watching Looney Tunes since I was around 6 when I discovered American cartoons. It was back when Nickelodeon used to air them.

Now, I know stuff about Looney Tunes and people behind them that I never thought were possible years ago.

I liked Road Runner cartoons the best, mainly because back then, I didn't know English (I am half-Japanese who lived in Japan, for those wondering), and since Road Runner had no dialogue, I could enjoy them easily. Ditto with Tom and Jerry (although there were several dialogues, but none with the duo) and Pink Panther.

Oh well, I'll see Doug in 2 years.

[Dan Porceddu]

I think the vast majority of GACsters (or is it GACers?) were introduced to classic animation at a young age, and while we're still seeing examples of it, like Doug here, the way that Cartoon Network is going that could change drastically. Cartoon Network made the wrong assumption that all young kids don't like 'old cartoons,' and soon we will see the consequences (of course, I hope I'm wrong about this part).

On a side note, I know some forums used to allow kids under 13 to sign up with parental consent, but that seems to be rarer and rarer these days. I happen to believe myself that there are a lot of kids under 13 who are a lot more intellectual than many who meet the age limit!

If Doug reads this, he should know that we all appreciate his comments and we'll look forward to him posting at GAC in the future.

(On a side note, I should add why I've come to believe in more recent times why continuing to air classic animation on TV despite it being released to DVD is absolutely necessary. Releasing the cartoons to DVD is all well and good, but what about the kids who can't afford to get every single $40 DVD set... or pay for Boomerang? I'd hope nobody would want to get caught using the "But they're on DVD now" argument to defend Cartoon Network's policies!)

[Jon Cooke]

On a side note, I know some forums used to allow kids under 13 to sign up with parental consent, but that seems to be rarer and rarer these days. I happen to believe myself that there are a lot of kids under 13 who are a lot more intellectual than many who meet the age limit!

I'd love to let Doug in, he sounds a lot more intelligent then some of the so-called "adults" I've seen on the Internet. However, like Thad said, there are various legal reasons why we can't let in people under 13 sign up.


-Jon

[Geezil]

Wow, the future does look bright. :)
Little Doug is going to be a great member when he comes ago.
-Emmanuel:bosko:
Well said, Emmanuel, and I'll second that.

Wow. An 11-ster who wants to see Terrytoons.

Oh, VIACOM...! (Geezil makes "get over here" gesture with first finger of right hand) :mighty: :gandy:

[Jon Cooke]

Douglas replies:

3/18/05
Dear GAC Fourms (again)
It's me Douglas again. I saw you got my messege. THanks for posting that on the messege board. And Dan don't worry about classic animation DVDs and Boomerang I have them both. I have both Looney Tune Golden Collections(Hey Warner Bros. Add a WWII Disc, I haven't seen to many. Also add more Avery,Tashlin,Mckimson(Not to many on the first. Barely on the Sencond,) Art Davis, and add bosko cartoons(only seen Bosko the Talk-ink Kid) Harmen-Ising Merrie Melodies ( only seen first two Foxies and Shuffle off to Buffalo) a few Buddy's (Haven't seen any) a few Depatie-Freleng: Including The two McKimson RoadRunners (he should of directed the series not Rudy Larvia)and Corn on the Cop (Haven't seen it in years) and Bill Hedricks cartoons like Bunny and Claude (THat song is awsome love the lyrics.Got in my Head :Oh you can keep your money,Don't you worry about your Jewls you my think it's kinda funny but they fought out all there Duels Just for Carrots! and a few cool cat cartoons and a few Merlin the Magic Mouse and Finally a carton that from 1959 The Mouse that Jack Built.).
I also have The Tom and Jerry Spotlight Collection (Warner Bros. said they were going to Relese the Complete Tom and Jerry but Mammy Two Shoes and the PC board don't mix. DAMN the PC Board) and the Top Cat Complete Series (Top Cat is my Favorite HB TV Show) Well see ya soon!
From,
Douglas Edward
P.S. Tex Avery cartoons should be rated PG too. Especialy the Red and Wolfie series.
Tex Avery at his best!
P.P.S. What will happpen first? Coal Balck on T.V. or CGI Baby Loonatics :)
P.P.P.S. More Tiny Toons and Animaniacs and Less Space Jam, Baby Looney Tunes, and
Loonatics
P.P.P.P.S Love Your site Matthew!

[Cartman]

It's so nice that someone of his generation can appreciate the lesser-known cartoons.

[corey3rd]

It's so nice that someone of his generation can appreciate the lesser-known cartoons.but he's also part of a generation that can get access to them through video tape, DVDs and downloading them off the internet. And they can get so much information off the internet about these cartoons and their history. When I was growing up the only books about cartoons came with crayons. And the episodes that aired daily were Blue Ribbons so we had no clue who made what for the most part. The internet has made it easier for someone to become rabid about the more obscure cartoons - and find them.

[Chow Hound]

but he's also part of a generation that can get access to them through video tape, DVDs and downloading them off the internet. And they can get so much information off the internet about these cartoons and their history. When I was growing up the only books about cartoons came with crayons. And the episodes that aired daily were Blue Ribbons so we had no clue who made what for the most part. The internet has made it easier for someone to become rabid about the more obscure cartoons - and find them. But it's become far more difficult for his generation to discover that classics exist in the first place. We could sit down on Saturday mornings and weekday afternoons, turn on the TV, and there they were: a plethora of animated classics.
Today's kids can't do that. They're exposed to crap and have to figure out on their own that great cartoons exist and then hunt them down on DVD, VHS, and the internet. There's a lot more effort involved for them (not to mention money).

[MF TOON]

Hmmm, when I was 8 or so, I was ranting and raving about seeing Alice Comedies since I saw some framegrabs in The Disney Studio Story.

-Tom


wow.

I was listening to MC Hammer and playing Nerf football in my backyard in my turquoise zuba pants and getting dropped off to spy on girls at the mall. :D

[Boy Wonder]

Hey, at his age, I was just as enthusiastic - and knowledgable - about the classics. Hope to see him on the board in two years!
I felt the same way, watching Looney Tunes for 4 hours straight on Cartoon Network on the weekends, now those were the days! I even woke up at 6 to watch it, and it filled me up good!

[David Gerstein]

Hey Douglas,

At 31, I'm ten years past kidhood—but I'll never forget the enthusiasm I had at your age. Looking forward to seeing you more regularly here in a couple of years.
Hmm... everyone else is telling how they discovered classic cartoons... um, let's see; in 1978, when I was four, Mickey Mouse had a fiftieth birthday special on TV. My parents sat me down to watch the special, introducing me to Mickey for the first time. After I went predictably bananas, they took me to a museum for a lengthier Mickey retrospective.
Over the two years afterward, my parents bought me a few books about cartoon history, including Leonard Maltin's OF MICE AND MAGIC. From Maltin I learned about most of the other great cartoon characters, including my other lifelong favorite, Felix the Cat.
Even twenty-five years later, Douglas, OF MICE AND MAGIC is still a good book to have. Try to find it!

[Rusty0918]

Finally, some young person with brains!!!

[grundle]

The U.S. government passed a law several years ago that was allegedly desinged to "protect people's pricacy" on the internet.

Uner this law, kids who are under age 13 need their parent's permission to post on internet message boards.

In order to prove that it really is the parents who are giving permission, the parents are required to give a credit card number, the idea being that people under age 18 don't have credit cards.

Of course giving a credit card number means that you have less privacy, not more. This is known as "unintended consequencs."

Another unintended consequence is that this bright, intelligent, knwoledgable 11 year old, who loves the cartoons, is not allowed to post here.

And this site is pretty G-rated. There's no rational reason to prevent him from posting here.

Furthermore, the first amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees freedom of speech and freedomn of assembly.

However, there is no technical reason why this 11 year old can't create a fake account at hotmail with a fake name and a fake age, and then register here under a fake name and a fake age. By using a fake name and a fake age, his privacy will be protected.

I have registered on dozens of internet message boards, and I always use a fake name.

Grundle is the name of the green dragon from the Atari 2600 video game Adventure, from the year 1978.

Anyway, don't blame me for this crazy law, as I always vote for the Libertarian Party in elections.

[Cartman]

I remember back on the old TTTP, we did have an 11 year-old who signed up, but was banned within a few weeks because he confessed he was underage, but I won't go into any further deatail about him since that would be against the GAC rules.

I assume that the reason for children's privacy protection laws is that they may be afraid of children getting into forums, chatrooms, etc. that might be connected with pedophelia or other dangerous things (kind of like the NAMBLA episode of "South Park")

[UncleJunior]

I started enjoying the classics at age 8 or 9. I was blessed in my local affilates playing lots of cartoons. Plus cable and ABC played many cartoons, too.

Sadly, those days have changed. :( :(

[Duck Dodgers]

When I was 11 (and this means 4 years ago...;) ) I already was a golden age cartoons fan, but I sure didn't know all the things he does. I'm sure he'd be a great GAC member.

at age 15 i started to become a classic animation fan,kloving to know almost eveything about tex avery,bob clampeet,mgm cartoons and everything related to classic animation and comedies(expecially about the marx brothers,chaplin,laurel and hardy...)

[angelidollinda]

Awww, can we keep 'im? :D

[Emmanuel Cruz]

Man, hearing about this kid just brings back memories. I'm going to tell the story how I got into the classics. When I was 3-4 years old, I began watching Looney Tunes, Popeye, Tom and Jerry, etc. on Nickelodeon, TNT, TBS, WABC 7 in New York and other channels as well as the PD tapes my mom would occasionally buy for me. Certain cartoons stuck in my mind when I decided to study these cartoons, like the black and white Porkys (Still my favorite cartoons to this day) and several PD cartoons like "All This and Rabbit Stew," "Gold Rush Daze," and "Wackiki Wabbit." I remember during Christmas break in 2000 for me (I was in 7th grade and 12 at the time) I was thinking of a old cartoon character I used to watch when I was very little :bosko:and remembered his name to type it into Yahoo. That search led me to Toon Zone and Brian Cruz's LT-MM site and started my research into the character.

You should have seen how stunned I was to see that Bosko was a LT character or that the cartoons are 75 years old! I lurked around the TTTP when it first opened and eventually joined on June 16, 2001 (And yes, I was 13 when I joined!) Now as a 17 year old junior in high school, I look back and say, "the years do fly by."

The years will fly by until Doug joins and shows us not to give up on the kids of today, with their hip hop garbage and other hoodlum nonsense.

-Emmanuel:bosko:

[mmm...donuts]

[...] I was thinking of a old cartoon character I used to watch when I was very little :bosko:and remembered his name to type it into Yahoo. That search led me to Toon Zone and Brian Cruz's LT-MM site and started my research into the character.I began the same way! When I was about 9-10 years old, every afternoon I used to watch a PD cartoons programme on an italian local TV channel. I once saw "Bosko Shipwrecked!", and I liked that cartoon. A few years later, I searched on the internet more information about that cartoon character, and I found Brian Cruz's early LT & MM website.

[MF TOON]

When I was a little boy, my father and I had a Sunday night ritual where we'd pick up Chinese food and rent a video and lay out a big green bath towel on our living room carpet and eat dinner while watching cartoons. This was my first exposure to classic animation. Every Sunday night we'd sit on the floor with overloaded plates of chicken fillets in black bean sauce, cantonese noodles, salt and spicy shrimps, egg rolls, rice and mixed vegetables, and watch older compilations of classic Disney shorts on Betamax. Donald Duck cartoons. Goofy. Chip 'N' Dale. Mickey Mouse. Humphrey The Bear. Silly Symphonies. Another favorite was the classic Chuck Jones TV specials like 'The Grinch' and 'Horton Hears A Who', and from time to time, we'd also rent Rocky & Bullwinkle tapes along with Woody Woodpecker and Warner Bros. compilations which was my first exposure to the wacky world of Walter Lantz and Looney Tunes / Merry Melodies. Tex Avery compilations, Bugs 50th Anniversary, and so forth. When I had finnished my dinner, my dad would clear the plates and I'd move from the carpet to the couch with my eyes fixated on the radiant glow of the television screen. I'd lie there until my eyelids grew so heavy that I was fighting to keep them open and my father would put me into bed. I guess those never left me... 20 some odd years later and here I am posting on a cartoon forum on the internet at 11:00 in the morning.

Thanks dad!

[Yosemite682]

I remember when I was 8 or 9 I looked forward to getting up on Saturday mornings and watching Looney Tunes. I did not know anything about the Directors and such, but I knew that I liked Looney Tunes. At 11 I had no idea who Tex Avery was or most of the others. I didn't seriously start collecting until I turned 14. I wish I could have joined at 11 and learned what I know now. It is too bad that there has to be a law against that sort of thing. See you in a couple years, Douglas.

[Larry T]

When I was a little boy, my father and I had a Sunday night ritual where we'd pick up Chinese food and rent a video and lay out a big green bath towel on our living room carpet and eat dinner while watching cartoons.
What a great Canadian story!! :)

In my history during the late 60s and early 70s, my younger brother and I (my older sister didn't like cartoons) would wake up earlier before my parent awoke so they said to just sit downstairs and watch TV until they got up, which was around 9 or 10 am. Fortunately, we had a lot of indie stations that aired cartoons by the bushel. My fondest memories were of asking my brother to come get me "when the little hand was on the 6 and the big hand was on the 12" so we could catch "Sunrise Theatre", which aired Popeye cartoons. Then, we would wait for "Woody Woodpecker and Friends", then watch the WB, TerryToon, and MGM cartoons for two more hours after that. I can remember whenever the MGM lion would appear, my brother and I would hold our breaths waiting for the Avery theme music to play, then we would cheer out loud because we liked those cartoons the best.

[Cartman]

My experiences of classic animation include watching Looney Tunes on Nickelodeon and the "Bugs Bunny and Tweety Show" on ABC. I used to rent videos of Disney cartoons (we didn't get the Disney Channel back then so it was impossible to see them on TV).

Aside from classic animation, I also enjoyed a lot of modern-day cartoons like "Muppet Babies," "Garfield and Friends," and "Tiny Toon Adventures."

[The G Man]

I think being 11 years-old on a message board violates some sort of internet privacy law. Oh well...I just thought of something ... one of our members, singaowl, is 9 (even his profile says so (http://forums.goldenagecartoons.com/member.php?u=290)) ... :befuddled :confused:

[Tom Stathes]

The U.S. government passed a law several years ago that was allegedly desinged to "protect people's pricacy" on the internet.

Uner this law, kids who are under age 13 need their parent's permission to post on internet message boards.

In order to prove that it really is the parents who are giving permission, the parents are required to give a credit card number, the idea being that people under age 18 don't have credit cards.

Of course giving a credit card number means that you have less privacy, not more. This is known as "unintended consequencs."

Another unintended consequence is that this bright, intelligent, knwoledgable 11 year old, who loves the cartoons, is not allowed to post here.

And this site is pretty G-rated. There's no rational reason to prevent him from posting here.

Furthermore, the first amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees freedom of speech and freedomn of assembly.

However, there is no technical reason why this 11 year old can't create a fake account at hotmail with a fake name and a fake age, and then register here under a fake name and a fake age. By using a fake name and a fake age, his privacy will be protected.

I have registered on dozens of internet message boards, and I always use a fake name.

Grundle is the name of the green dragon from the Atari 2600 video game Adventure, from the year 1978.

Anyway, don't blame me for this crazy law, as I always vote for the Libertarian Party in elections.
GAH! I've known kids in junior high and now in HS with legitimate CC's!
An 11 year old being online is an individual call- just being online can subject the young person to hidden dangers which are very real. I've been online since that age, and thank God have not encountered any "kooks" (to my knowledge, that is.) Still, being a minor myself, the issue of online correspondence with others [and adults primarily] will always be of controversy until 3/6/07, I guess:tweety:
-Tom

[Emmanuel Cruz]

GAH! I've known kids in junior high and now in HS with legitimate CC's!
An 11 year old being online is an individual call- just being online can subject the young person to hidden dangers which are very real. I've been online since that age, and thank God have not encountered any "kooks" (to my knowledge, that is.) Still, being a minor myself, the issue of online correspondence with others [and adults primarily] will always be of controversy until 3/6/07, I guess:tweety:
-Tom
Haha, 3/10/2006 for me! Yeah, I've only met a few TTTPers once at the MoMA cartoon screening back in May of 2002. (Dang, three years already?)

-Emmanuel:bosko:

[Geezil]

I just thought of something ... one of our members, singaowl, is 9 (even his profile says so (http://forums.goldenagecartoons.com/member.php?u=290)) ... :befuddled :confused:
nosey! :shame:

[The G Man]

nosey! :shame:Sticks and stones ...