Guess what's new from Winnie the Pooh?

[cartoonlover675]

It's already been confirmed, but two of Winnie the Pooh's original animated classics are making their ABC Family premiere. The Academy Award-winning "Winnie the Pooh and the Blustery Day," and the Academy Award-nominated "Winnie the Pooh and Tigger Too" will be broadcast on Dec. 14 from 7:00 to 8:00 PM. This is really an exciting time now that I have found this out!

It is not known if the original theatrical versions will be aired, though there is a good chance that might be so. However, it would've been a nice touch if the versions that aired on TV would be used instead. (See example from 1978 NBC broadcast of "Blustery Day" here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esjpDzgVUOY).) Either way they do it would be nice. What do you think?

[Studio Toledo]

It's already been confirmed, but two of Winnie the Pooh's original animated classics are making their ABC Family premiere. The Academy Award-winning "Winnie the Pooh and the Blustery Day," and the Academy Award-nominated "Winnie the Pooh and Tigger Too" will be broadcast on Dec. 14 from 7:00 to 8:00 PM. This is really an exciting time now that I have found this out!

It is not know if the original theatrical versions will be aired, though there is a good chance that might be so. However, it would've been a nice touch if the versions that aired on TV would be used instead. (See example from 1978 NBC broadcast of "Blustery Day" here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esjpDzgVUOY).) Either way they do it would be nice. What do you think?
Funny if they couldn't show the first Winnie the Pooh adventure too. Combine all three with "A Day for Eeyore" and you'd get 2 hours worth off the bat!

[Mr. Semaj]

I brought this up at Cartoon Brew a while ago, but ABC Family seems to have become the new "Disney Channel". Lately, they've been showing a lot of variety in their programming by utilizing the Disney vault, most of which hasn't aired on...what is now essentially the Tween Disney Network for years.

[Studio Toledo]

I brought this up at Cartoon Brew a while ago, but ABC Family seems to have become the new "Disney Channel". Lately, they've been showing a lot of variety in their programming by utilizing the Disney vault, most of which hasn't aired on...what is now essentially the Tween Disney Network for years.
Funny how that happened.

[nickramer]

I wonder if they will soon have a new package series with old Disney shorts. I hope that will happened.

Though, I wasn't happy about the fact that the channel butchered "Mickey's Christmas Carol" last year.

[cartoonlover675]

I wonder if they will soon have a new package series with old Disney shorts. I hope that will happened.

Though, I wasn't happy about the fact that the channel butchered "Mickey's Christmas Carol" last year.
Thanks for reminding me. Hopefully, ABC Family won't manipulate the Pooh films in any way this year. YOU HEAR ME, ABC??!!

[Ray Pointer]

It's already been confirmed, but two of Winnie the Pooh's original animated classics are making their ABC Family premiere. The Academy Award-winning "Winnie the Pooh and the Blustery Day," and the Academy Award-nominated "Winnie the Pooh and Tigger Too" will be broadcast on Dec. 14 from 7:00 to 8:00 PM. This is really an exciting time now that I have found this out!

It is not know if the original theatrical versions will be aired, though there is a good chance that might be so. However, it would've been a nice touch if the versions that aired on TV would be used instead. (See example from 1978 NBC broadcast of "Blustery Day" here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esjpDzgVUOY).) Either way they do it would be nice. What do you think?

Premier? The fact that they have been broadcast before negates this concept. A premier means that a film has never been shown of television before. As we see, this is not true. Regardless of whether the entire theatrical presentation of opening and closing credits is shown, which they have in the past, it is still essentially the same point.

But the fact that the POOH Specials are airring is an indication that the litigation over the POOH rights must have been settled.

[cartoonlover675]

Premier? The fact that they have been broadcast before negates this concept. A premier means that a film has never been shown of television before. As we see, this is not true. Regardless of whether the entire theatrical presentation of opening and closing credits is shown, which they have in the past, it is still essentially the same point.

But the fact that the POOH Specials are airring is an indication that the litigation over the POOH rights must have been settled.
Just for the heads up, Ray, I said that they were making their premiere on ABC Family. That DOES NOT mean that they are being broadcast on TV for the very first time. I already knew that they were broadcast on past Disney TV shows decades ago. You get what I'm saying?

[Ray Pointer]

Just for the heads up, Ray, I said that they were making their premiere on ABC Family. That DOES NOT mean that they are being broadcast on TV for the very first time. I already knew that they were broadcast on past Disney TV shows decades ago. You get what I'm saying?

I got what you were saying. The use of "premier" even on ABC Family still implies a first time of showing, which is what premier means. First time showing, a debut. This is an advertising ploy that is a distortion. The misuse of words such as "premier" and most of all their marketing tactic, "Only in theaters," then six months later releasing the film on DVD are examples of such distortions.

But to be fair, it has been a number of years since these POOH shorts have been televised. Much of this again is related to the legal conflict Disney was involved with over the WINNIE THE POOH rights, which apparently have been resolved. For this reason, they certainly have a right to "celebrate." It may be a fine point to say POOH is making his "premier" or "debut" on ABC Family Channel when in fact the point is that POOH makes his "return" to television on ABC Family Channel.

[wiley207]

Thanks for reminding me. Hopefully, ABC Family won't manipulate the Pooh films in any way this year. YOU HEAR ME, ABC??!!

ABC Family also showed the 2004 "Enhanced Home Theater Mix" version of Mary Poppins, which has new sound effects plastered into it to make it sound more "modernized," such as annoying wind noises when Mary Poppins is in the air, a small "Paf!" sound when she places her carpet bag on a cloud (it didn't make a sound in the original), a weird "Ka-poof!" noise when they jump into the chalk painting, new thunder and lightning sounds when the rainstorm starts, new running sounds for the animated hunters' dogs, etc. etc. etc. I mean, sure, they were able to recover previously-inaudible dialogue, but the "sweetened" sound effects are a real pain in the butt. Did anyone else catch this yet?

[Bugsy-Kun]

ABC Family also showed the 2004 "Enhanced Home Theater Mix" version of Mary Poppins, which has new sound effects plastered into it to make it sound more "modernized," such as annoying wind noises when Mary Poppins is in the air, a small "Paf!" sound when she places her carpet bag on a cloud (it didn't make a sound in the original), a weird "Ka-poof!" noise when they jump into the chalk painting, new thunder and lightning sounds when the rainstorm starts, new running sounds for the animated hunters' dogs, etc. etc. etc. I mean, sure, they were able to recover previously-inaudible dialogue, but the "sweetened" sound effects are a real pain in the butt. Did anyone else catch this yet?

Oh yeah! I truly hate when we tried to plastered new sounds effects when the original sound effects was accurate to the film. Why they really need of that?

Did the current Mary Poppins DVD print having this problem?

[wiley207]

Oh yeah! I truly hate when we tried to plastered new sounds effects when the original sound effects was accurate to the film. Why they really need of that?

Did the current Mary Poppins DVD print having this problem?

If I recall, it didn't.

[Ray Pointer]

.. they were able to recover previously-inaudible dialogue, but the "sweetened" sound effects are a real pain in the butt. Did anyone else catch this yet?

What "previously inaubible dialogue? I saw the movie when it was first released in 1964. It was a General Release in monural, and I understood everything in it then. When it came out on Home Video, I got the Beta version with a stereo track. I could understand every bit of dialogue there as well.

While modern technology can be a marvel, I continue to be puzzled by the bias against technology that is older than ten years. The recordings that were made in 1964 were state of the art, and being Disney's A picture of the year, they would never have released it with a bad mix containing "inaudible dialogue." Could you please refer us to the source making this ridiculous claim? Chances are whomever made this "assumption" was not even born when the film was made.

[wiley207]

What "previously inaubible dialogue? I saw the movie when it was first released in 1964. It was a General Release in monural, and I understood everything in it then. When it came out on Home Video, I got the Beta version with a stereo track. I could understand every bit of dialogue there as well.

While modern technology can be a marvel, I continue to be puzzled by the bias against technology that is older than ten years. The recordings that were made in 1964 were state of the art, and being Disney's A picture of the year, they would never have released it with a bad mix containing "inaudible dialogue." Could you please refer us to the source making this ridiculous claim? Chances are whomever made this "assumption" was not even born when the film was made.

According to most press releases of the 2004 DVD...
The extensively remixed soundtrack uncovers dialogue previously inaudible on the original track and provides dramatic clarity and crisper sound. By sweetening sound effects, a more realistic outdoor environment was created which was unattainable during the film’s soundstage production. After listening to the enhanced mix, co-composer Richard Sherman commented “Walt would be smiling.”

More like "Walt would be frowning," if you ask me. And besides, I suppose from now on if I hear that a movie's sound effects are "sweetened," I can assume they were actually replaced? I did a similar thing with several of the 1967-1969 Warner/7 Arts cartoons, which had a very limited and basic sound effect library compared to the one they had in the past, making their sound FX MUCH fuller and realistic-sounding, not to mention being able to distract the viewer from bad Bill Lava music if need be ;)