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Bugsy-Kun
09-19-2009, 12:31 PM
Not really convincing, but i just want to have a discussion about this. http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20302680_20,00.html
Seriously, Wall-E #1?!? It's the most subliminal aud subversive film i ever seen! That's reminds of the end-70's/80's films when some characters are robots (Short Circuit, Tron, Star Wars) and i think this film have a allusion with piggy films and songs. Now, i realised that every childrens films is a real pain for the eyes since too longtime. And i don't get neither why The Lion King is ranked #4. This film is dated today and we know now it was a rip-off from a Anime made in the 1960's. This list is look made in 10 minutes, without efforts of their part.
I already made two years ago a top 50 list of the best comics in history and i was aware to don't put just random. Yeah, EW's Animated film list is terribly random. I wishing to see Fritz the Cat, Fantasia and Song of the South. (If only it was available from public)
CueBallCat79
09-19-2009, 01:32 PM
This film is dated today
How?!??!
and we know now it was a rip-off from a Anime made in the 1960's.
15 years later this argument still never fails to annoy the hell out of me. We get it, The Lion King and Kimba, the White Loin are very similar. We. Get. It. But people use the similarity to slam to the entire movie. It just gets really, really old after a while.
This list is look made in 10 minutes, without efforts of their part.It yet another in the hundreds of examples of a mainstream magazine or site compiling a list of "greatest" or "favorites" and the hardcore internet community freaks out about things that should or shouldn't be there. That's something else that gets old.
I wishing to see Fritz the Cat, Fantasia and Song of the South. (If only it was available from public)Yes, because Entertainment Weekly totally caters to hardcore animation fans.
Bugsy-Kun
09-19-2009, 01:45 PM
How?!??!
15 years later this argument still never fails to annoy the hell out of me. We get it, The Lion King and Kimba, the White Loin are very similar. We. Get. It. But people use the similarity to slam to the entire movie. It just gets really, really old after a while.
It yet another in the hundreds of examples of a mainstream magazine or site compiling a list of "greatest" or "favorites" and the hardcore internet community freaks out about things that should or shouldn't be there. That's something else that gets old.
Yes, because Entertainment Weekly totally caters to hardcore animation fans.
I think maybe i put too much off of my chest. But i find this list by Toonzone and it's kinda annoying because we can't have a week before find a random compilations of best or worst stuffs. Like the most dirt wearing peoples, best and worst movies and all of this stuffs. This kind of compilations should be organised at least every 10 years or so. Not every two years like now. :(
Brandon Panther
09-19-2009, 01:46 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, "Any 'Best Animated Films' list that doesn't have The Secret of NIMH on it, is a fake."
Anyone who calls Wall-E the best animated film ever, probably also thinks Citizen Kane is the greatest live-action film ever.
nickramer
09-19-2009, 02:02 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, "Any 'Best Animated Films' list that doesn't have The Secret of NIMH on it, is a fake."
Anyone who calls Wall-E the best animated film ever, probably also thinks Citizen Kane is the greatest live-action film ever.
What do you consider to be the best live-action film?
Anyway, I do wish there was a "50 Greatest Animated Films" book similar to the "50 Greatest Cartoons" book. Of course, people would still be disatified with it and I would proably be the only person here to get that book.
Brandon Panther
09-19-2009, 02:19 PM
What do you consider to be the best live-action film?
That's a tough question, but I certainly don't thnk Citizen Kane is the greatest. It's a good movie, and it's obvious Orson Welles was trying to do something different with the film, by having all those crazy camera angles, but I got tired of it after the first 5 minutes. And frankly, I think the movie is boring. "Casablanca" is easily a better movie than Citizen Kane
Anyway, I do wish there was a "50 Greatest Animated Films" book similar to the "50 Greatest Cartoons" book. Of course, people would still be disatified with it and I would proably be the only person here to get that book.
I'd probably get it, as long as it didn't cater to just mainstream films like all the Pixar films, or Shrek, or the more popular Disney films. Throw in some underappreciated great films. Don't be afraid to limit choices to just American films, and Japanese Anime films. Pick a few from other countries. I wouldn't mind.
Bugsy-Kun
09-19-2009, 02:38 PM
I agree with Brandon' reasonnement. I can say the same thing about the Quebec's films. 10-15 years ago, it was rarely shown but thanks for the greedy subventions, we can make 20-30 films per year. In 2 months, i think i counted 9 new Quebec movies was released in theaters but we should be careful because i scare it's gonna be the same than in the 1970's in profit to American blockbusters movies. Quebec films was already existed in the 40's-50's but it was much made locally because the transactions between the other countries wasn't perfect like today. But still i admire Quebec films but i worry that it's gonna be too overatted with the same actors and directors because we live in a small world.
For favorite Animated films outside of the American, Pixar, Disney or Japanese, i will pick:
Asterix and Cleopatre (Great Eddie Lateste movie and well-adapted to the original comic)
The King and Mr. Bird (A real sentimental and poetic film with a modern storyline from a old tale)
Lucky Luke - Daisy Town (Due to the last transfers, this film is outstanding for this unique Art style. The last version made for TV's widescreen in 2006-2007 was look made like they was originally created with the correct contrasts.)
A film i loved as a kid but i don't watch anymore is a local animated Cindrella adaptation when the characters designs makes me funny and look like they having fun to make this. The Disney's version for me makes me sad.
Brandon Panther
09-19-2009, 02:56 PM
Barf.
Not in here! This is a Mercedes!
grim_tales
09-20-2009, 08:32 AM
I love The Lion King, even if it does seem similar to Kimba (and Bambi, come to that), it's still a very moving film full stop, never mind animated film. :) Its a very good film.
J. B. Warner
09-20-2009, 09:15 AM
I'm baffled that they overlooked Lilo and Stitch (the fact that Disney pulled off such a great film that's both heartwarming and psychotic as recently as 2002 is utterly astonishing), yet they put Chicken Run on the list. Sure, Chicken Run was pretty good, but one of the best ever?
Also, I love Wall-E, but I don't know if it's deserving of the number one spot. It's definitely top ten material, though, so I'm glad they mentioned it. Still, I know what to expect from these Entertainment Weekly lists - they're not exactly legally binding documents, y'know.
Marty26
09-20-2009, 09:41 AM
Personally, I would've picked either The Lion King or A Bug's Life as the #1 animated feature of all time. Why wasn't ABL even on this list??? :confused:
Marty26
09-20-2009, 09:47 AM
And i don't get neither why The Lion King is ranked #4. This film is dated today and we know now it was a rip-off from a Anime made in the 1960's.
How is it dated? And, even if it did borrow from a 60's anime (for 20 bonus points, did you know "Simba" is Swahili for "Lion"?), that doesn't make it any less of a masterpiece.
I already made two years ago a top 50 list of the best comics in history and i was aware to don't put just random. Yeah, EW's Animated film list is terribly random. I wishing to see Fritz the Cat, Fantasia and Song of the South. (If only it was available from public)
No offense, but this is pretty elitist of you. First of all, it's debatable whether or not Fantasia really counts as an "animated feature" since only about half of it was animated. Second of all, how many people in the American mainstream (which this list was obviously, and rightly, made for) even know what Fritz The Cat or Song Of The South are? Quite frankly, I think they made some excellent choices here. Although I agree that declaring Wall-E the #1 cartoon is a stretch. It wasn't even the Best Animated Feature Of 2008 (that honor went to Kung Fu Panda).
Brandon Panther
09-20-2009, 09:53 AM
Personally, I would've picked either The Lion King or A Bug's Life as the #1 animated feature of all time. Why wasn't ABL even on this list??? :confused:
A Bug's Life is not as popular as the other Pixar films. I think it made less money than the others, so Disney and Pixar just assume it's rubbish.
CueBallCat79
09-20-2009, 10:01 AM
It wasn't even the Best Animated Feature Of 2008 (that honor went to Kung Fu Panda).
Umm. No. WALL-E did indeed win that Oscar, if that's what you're referring to.
Marty26
09-20-2009, 10:03 AM
Umm. No. WALL-E did indeed win that Oscar, if that's what you're referring to.
Oh. Thanks for the correction.
Bugsy-Kun
09-20-2009, 10:28 AM
How is it dated? And, even if it did borrow from a 60's anime (for 20 bonus points, did you know "Simba" is Swahili for "Lion"?), that doesn't make it any less of a masterpiece.
A film that you enjoy or want to watch and heard again and again when it was the bomb don't mean it's automatically considered timeless for our era. Pogs was popular at the 60's as well at my era but now it's rubbish. I heard from a friend of mine when it was popular that this film is purely violent. I disagree with her at this time. Now i find this film silly.
It's a shame no one mentionned the brillant Nina Paley's Sita Sings the Blues. Yeah, they include Waltz with Bashir (#19) and Persepolis (#5) like two of the only indepedent films of this list, but not Sita Sings the Blues because it's too underatted. For shame!
No offense, but this is pretty elitist of you. First of all, it's debatable whether or not Fantasia really counts as an "animated feature" since only about half of it was animated. Second of all, how many people in the American mainstream (which this list was obviously, and rightly, made for) even know what Fritz The Cat or Song Of The South are? Quite frankly, I think they made some excellent choices here. Although I agree that declaring Wall-E the #1 cartoon is a stretch. It wasn't even the Best Animated Feature Of 2008 (that honor went to Kung Fu Panda).
If the world was not too politically correctness like today, it's sure this films can having more appeals to the general audience. But i guess that's gonna never happen.
Marty26
09-20-2009, 12:01 PM
The last time I saw The Lion King was just three years ago. I certainly didn't find it dated then.
J. J. Hunsecker
09-20-2009, 05:14 PM
The EW staff must have short memories. Almost all of the features on that list come from the last ten years. There are only about three features from the classic era.
I enjoyed Wall-E as pleasant entertainment, but I wouldn't call it the #1 animated feature of all time. More like the best effects animation of recent times. The movements of Wall-E are very limited and "realistic." There isn't much exaggeration or caricature there. In fact, I'd say the movie comes close to being live action.
J. B. Warner
09-20-2009, 06:20 PM
I enjoyed Wall-E as pleasant entertainment, but I wouldn't call it the #1 animated feature of all time. More like the best effects animation of recent times. The movements of Wall-E are very limited and "realistic." There isn't much exaggeration or caricature there. In fact, I'd say the movie comes close to being live action.
That's an interesting interpretation. And it's probably why it was the first Pixar movie to use live-action footage. It works quite well, really, since all the live-action stuff is in leftover video footage from 2105, and all the cartoonier-looking human characters are from 2805 when the human race has evolved into caricatured blobs.
Still, there are some nice exaggerated movements of the robot characters throughout the film. Even if there's no squash and stretch, they still bounce around quite a bit. And that, I think, was a conscious effort on behalf of the filmmakers, as it makes characters like Wall-E and Eve feel much more alive than if they moved the same way real robots would.
Bugsy-Kun
09-20-2009, 07:23 PM
I think the biggest problem about Wall-E i can find is because first, it's much a entertainment for childrens. Maybe my bashing against this film is too strong, but i remember a time about how cartoons and animated films can enjoyed families together, but it was very longtime.
I think it's a big shame that the original Aladdin film was not in this list. It's one of the most imaginative films from the modern Disney and a film i can't stop to watch again and again thanks for the Robbin Williams voicing performance.
Der Captain
09-25-2009, 06:54 PM
Bambi. Ick.
The Silver Fox
09-28-2009, 05:28 AM
i am ssurprized American Pop didnt make the list, nor did secret of Nihm(sp).
Kung Fu should have taken top spot on the list, I seen Wall-e and it was Okay but not a fav of mine.
Another that been a good animated movie for the list, classic era look and good story, Cats don't Dance, I admint i had not seen this movie till 1998, a few years after Turner animation closed and merged into WB, but it a well done movie and has got some good talent in the folds.
mulroz
09-28-2009, 05:47 AM
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For favorite Animated films outside of the American, Pixar, Disney or Japanese, i will pick:
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Anyone here familiar with this one ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfFhDk_NPig
This is part of the only animation feature ever made in the Netherlands
mulroz
09-28-2009, 05:49 AM
Am I the only one that thinks "Mr Bug goes to town" should be on this list?
Mattee
09-28-2009, 06:56 AM
Anyone here familiar with this one ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfFhDk_NPig
This is part of the only animation feature ever made in the Netherlands
Yes! I'm dutch, so I grew up on this film. Big influence on me drawing as a child, next to Popeye and Asterix. I have it on DVD now.
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