Jerry Beck on Stu's Show- LIVE!

[Duck Dodgers]

As usual, our GAC traidition!
Post here all the news that Jerrry will tell us, "live", when he's still on air!

[Leviathan]

The next hour and a half can't transpire quickly enough.

That having been said, what will be said on the interview will undoubtedly be disheartening and unfortunate, so my anticipation levels are schizophrenic right now.

[Geezil]

Aside to Jack G. from the previous "Jerry Beck on Stu's Show" thread:

I don't believe you're following my logic here. It's still Mighty Mouse, whatever the incarnation, and that's still a better jumping-off point for demonstrating popular demand than Terrytoons fans have yet had in the DVD age. (Unless, of course, you count the ±1,000,785 appearances of "Wolf! Wolf!" on dollar discs.) ;)

(P.S.: Also note that if this is a complete Bakshi MM collection, it will include appearances by Gandy Goose, the Mighty Heroes, Oil Can Harry, Deputy Dawg, Hashimoto, Heckle & Jeckle, James Hound, and Gaston le Crayon [just cameos in the last five cases, but so what?], and in the "Scrappy's Playhouse" episode, a nice handful of clips from original Terrytoons, both color and B&W! I might also have overlooked a couple more nods to the past. Now, does anyone still figure I'm off base on this one?)

[Brandon Panther]

Apparently, they'll be discussing "Family Guy".

The suspense is just killing me.

[The "Chase"]

Apparently, they'll be discussing "Family Guy".

The suspense is just killing me.

Should I get the small umbrellas?

[Leviathan]

Where'd you hear that? And, why? What's the point?

[Brandon Panther]

Where'd you hear that? And, why? What's the point?
From the main Shokus Radio page:

It's time for another visit from The King of All Things Cartoons - Jerry will discuss the latest in
animation news, including his personal reviews of "Up" and "Monsters vs. Aliens", Warner Brothers'
new "Saturday Morning Cartoons" DVD series, and what's upcoming in the home video market.
We'll also have a lively debate on current prime time TV series including "Family Guy",and maybe
we'll even get to continue our discussion of the history of the Terrytoons studio! Plus we'll
open the phone lines early so you can have your say too!

Oh hey, 20 bucks says they DON'T get through the rest of the Terrytoons history.

[Geezil]

what an opening! what AN opening! :D

[Leviathan]

OK, that's REALLY not encouraging if we're down to talking about Family Guy.

[Geezil]

Oh, stuff "Family Guy" already!

[nickramer]

Did he just say Sony?:magoo::fox::crow:

[Steve Siegert]

Did he just say Sony?:magoo::fox::crow:
So I take it I heard it properly?

[Geezil]

"Hey! Teachers! Leave that Astro Boy alone!"

[Geezil]

Gosh, Stu, we never realized that the economy sucks. :rolleyes:

[Brandon Panther]

Gosh, Stu, we never realized that the economy sucks. :rolleyes:
The only real news is that now WB is actually AWARE that this is the reason DVDs aren't selling well, not because "Looney Tunes aren't popular anymore".

[Geezil]

Oh, I'd call this Warner Archive discussion a tiny glimmer of hope...!

[Daff Doc]

censored 11 a maybe!
:sowhite:

[cbrubaker]

We get it, Stu. Economy sucks.

[Geezil]

The Censored WHICH?!??!!??? :eek:

[Leviathan]

We'll never get them. Don't delude yourselves.

I'm probably going to tune out once we get to Family Guy. Stu's not the kind of person I can bear to hear talk about Family Guy.

Soooooo... no more Looney Tunes on DVD.... ever ----ing sucks but can't say I didn't call it.

[Geezil]

We'll never get them. Don't delude yourselves.

Y' wanna tell Jerry he's deluding himself, then? That ought to be good!

[Steve Siegert]

Interesting, I never knew the president of Warner Bros. was black, and the head of their legal department was Asian.

[Daff Doc]

Those Popeye tracks would make a good bonus item on volume 4!

[Geezil]

That was a nice glimpse into the Popeye voice recording process (even though everybody sounded about 3 1/2 RPM too fast). :D

[Daff Doc]

Stu, Terrytones?


Okay, I'll shut up now.:D

[The "Chase"]

Mr. Beck!

Yep, I'll try to get the DVD. "Remastered" is all I needed to know.

[nickramer]

It's official: the 1987 Mighty Mouse show will be out on DVD.:D:mighty:

[Steve Siegert]

Those Popeye tracks would make a good bonus item on volume 4!

Actually, based on the actual cartoon that dialogue was recorded for, it would fit better on Vol. 5...assuming that any future releases would still be under the 2-DVD format.

[Geezil]

Real Terrytoons as bonus material! Calling Jack G. ...! :gandy:

[nickramer]

Real Terrytoons as bonus material! Calling Jack G. ...! :gandy:
And it looks like Vitacom still owns the whole original Terrytoons production. Like Magoo and Columba. Speaking of which...

[Geezil]

Stuff Viacom too. They won't hold us back in the longer run! Not after this.

[Daff Doc]

And it looks like Vitacom still owns the whole original Terrytoons production. Like Magoo and Columba. Speaking of which...

Had to take a restroom break and I think I missed this. So the films are under Viacom, and the rights belong to CBS? Please inform.

[Geezil]

Apparently CBS owns only post-1960s Mighty Mouse, with Paramount owning the rest of the Terrytoons library.

[nickramer]

Apparently CBS owns only Mighty Mouse (and the early "Super Mouse" titles), with Paramount owning the rest of the Terrytoons library.
Paramount owns the theatrical Mighty Mouse films, while CBS owns the TV stuff.

[Geezil]

Paramount owns the theatrical Mighty Mouse films, while CBS owns the TV stuff.

Kindly note that I fixed that post above (thanks).

[nickramer]

Kelloggs commericals in the next 1960's Saturday Morning Cartoons set.

[Geezil]

Kelloggs commericals in the next 1960's Saturday Morning Cartoons set.

"Great series! I grew up on that series."
"I threw up on that series."
"I never grew up."
--Firesign Theatre

[Brandon Panther]

The new commercial bumpers are a time-waster, Stu.

[Geezil]

Is that "Paddy the Pelican" or "Patty the Pelican"? And can the world stand it?

[cbrubaker]

That was me on the phone, BTW.

It's Paddy the Pelican. Jerry showed about 3 of them few years back.

[Geezil]

That was me on the phone, BTW.

It's Paddy the Pelican. Jerry showed about 3 of them few years back.

Thanks, c.b.! Now I can relax. :tweety:

[cbrubaker]

It's nickramer!

[Geezil]

It's nickramer!

Go Nic! Maybe now we'll head toward learning the truth about Yosemite Sam. :)

[Philo & Gunge]

Nic! That was amazing! You completely stumped Jerry Beck himself, be proud my boy! :):ysam:

[nickramer]

I was going to say before I hang up, "Happy Birthday to Donald Duck".

[nickramer]

Nic! That was amazing! You completely stumped Jerry Beck himself, be proud my boy! :):ysam:
I did it before about an animated Hot Stuff in the 1960's.

[Geezil]

Hanna-Barbera on Warner Archive? Maybe we'll now see "Where's Huddles?" too. (Talk about "great series...") (lol)

[nickramer]

Hanna-Barbera on Warner Archive? Maybe we'll now see "Where's Huddles?" too. (Talk about "great series...") (lol)
They could release that great Gene Kelly Jack and the Beanstalk special. "A Waddle Bird Walks."

[Geezil]

"Captain Nice"? Oy! (I remember that show, and it wasn't funny when they made it, Buck Henry or no.)

[Studio Toledo]

They could release that great Gene Kelly Jack and the Beanstalk special. "A Waddle Bird Walks."
Hahahaha, haven't seen that in a long while!

[The "Chase"]

Jerry's got a point about the studios and Hulu (the TV thing, we'll see). People, get ready.

[Steve Siegert]

Up next, the much (un)anticipated discussion about Family Guy.

[Geezil]

Up next, the much (un)anticipated discussion about Family Guy.

Just enough time to find your earplugs!

[Daff Doc]

Just enough time to find your earplugs!

O.T. You should clear some space Geez. :)

[The "Chase"]

And the flamewar begins in 5...4...3...2...1...

Okay, now it begins...

Okay, I'll admit it. I'm not a fan of the theme song.

[Brandon Panther]

I find it terribly ironic how Stu frequently gripes about TV networks originally intended for classic stuff, and then change to modern stuff, and Stu is pretty much doing just that with this Family Guy/The Goode Family discussion.

[nickramer]

I have to admit I do like the theme song. It's quite catchy.

[Jon Cooke]

I just tune in... to hear the Family Guy theme.

Guess I missed the good stuff. :shame:

[Leviathan]

Well, there really isn't that much to talk about. This has been a disappointing and crappy year so we might as well listen to Stu talk about Family Guy.

[Geezil]

O.T. You should clear some space Geez. :)


O.T. Look, bud, I'll crash as much bandwidth as I want to. It's still a free country (for a while longer). ;)

[cartoonfan4ever]

Rats. I missed most of it.

[Jon Cooke]

Was there any mention of Woody Woodpecker's future on DVD?

Nice to hear another Saturday Morning Cartoons and Bakshi's Mighty Mouse DVDs are on the way. When is MM coming out? Did they say?

[The "Chase"]

"Thomas and The Magic Railroad" is the title, I think.

"And now I'll kill myself for bringing it up."

[Daff Doc]

O.T. Look, bud, I'll crash as much bandwidth as I want to. It's still a free country (for a while longer). ;)

I meant your P.M. box.

P.S. Now live, Choo Choo!

[nickramer]

Was there any mention of Woody Woodpecker's future on DVD?



Nope. I hope they still plan to release it.

[Geezil]

I meant your P.M. box.




OIC. Sorry. I'll take care of that in a couple seconds.

[The "Chase"]

Pre- or Post- Stu? EDIT: Never mind, it's Pre-.

Uh oh, positive things on Family Guy. CUEBALL, GET INTO DA CHOPPA!

Actually Jerry, that's not completely true. That's your opinion, but it's not true.

Jerry, if you're reading this, a few writers and directors on Family Guy actually worked on the Simpsons. Let me know if you want the details.

[Gasmask Ted]

Is Stu doing an impression of Dana Carvey's Carson impression?
"Have you heard about this 'Family Guy', Ed? Weird, wild stuff."

[Vdubdavid]

"Thomas and The Magic Railroad" is the title, I think.

"And now I'll kill myself for bringing it up."

Did I say "Railway"? Oops, oh well, at least I sparked some good facts.

[Bugs Bunny]

I wanted to clairify the details of the upcoming Saturday Morning Cartoons
- Kellogg Comercials/ Interstials for Quick Draw McGraw Show
- The Bugs Bunny Show to be possibly included

[Daff Doc]

I wanted to clairify the details of the upcoming Saturday Morning Cartoons
- Kellogg Comercials/ Interstials for Quick Draw McGraw Show
- The Bugs Bunny Show to be possibly included

Mr. Feltenstein, is that you?

[Geezil]

So, Fox gave "Family Guy" "the best comedy writers"? :eek:

I guess that means all the "mediocre" comedy writers are retired or otherwise. Pathetic.

[The "Chase"]

So, Fox gave "Family Guy" "the best comedy writers"? :eek:

I guess that means all the "mediocre" comedy writers are retired or otherwise. Pathetic.

Two of them came from law school. There's your hint.

Simpsons still good? Errrrrr...

Let's not go into the live action thing with Cartoon Network. The guys over at Toon Zone haven't recovered yet...

[cbrubaker]

FYI, Adventure Time will rock HARD!

Here's a production blog:

http://frederatorblogs.com/adventure_time/

[nickramer]

Good choices of words on Boomerang, Stu.:rolleyes:

If that happens, I'm holding him responable.

[cbrubaker]

Huh, the discussion on Family Guy was actually spot on. I pretty much agree with both of them.

...and that's all I'll say.

[The "Chase"]

So, can anyone tell me what happened before Jerry mentioned the MM DVD? I was a few minutes late and I'm curious about the LT DVD thing Leviathan mentioned.

[nickramer]

So, can anyone tell me what happened before Jerry mentioned the MM DVD? I was a few minutes late and I'm curious about the LT DVD thing Leviathan mentioned.
He talked about recent animated films.

[The "Chase"]

He talked about recent animated films.

That's it? The comments here mentioned the economy, Popeye, and the LT thing.

[cbrubaker]

Basically, the DVD sales are down not because of downloading (that apparently only counts 3% loss), but because of the economy.

One of the reasons why there aren't that many cartoons released on DVD. Digital remastering alone costs an arm and a leg. The only reason the Jetsons revival episodes are coming out on DVD is because they're already prepared for DVD mastering.

[LooneyFan]

So? I did hear right? No more Looney Tunes? :(

[Steve Siegert]

We heard it from Jerry, and he told us exactly what I expected to hear about future DVD releases from Warner. This trend will probably continue throughout next year.

I don't want to sound too critical towards the people on this forum who have complained about the lack of DVD releases in the near future, but anyone who understands the world of business knows that a business can't survive if they keep relying on a product that has been slumping in sales.

[The "Chase"]

Oh well, looks like I'm stuck fishing the Internet for the shorts I haven't seen...

[Gasmask Ted]

And what, pray tell, do you believe it is about law school which is a black mark against humor?

[cbrubaker]

Another thing I found interesting about what Jerry said re: the Bakshi Mighty Mouse DVD is that they're actually going through the original film elements for it.

Usually they don't bother with original film elements for shows made after the eighties, so they're really being serious about it.

And as I've stated, I hope they'll include some of the 'Scope Deitch toons as a bonus.

[Jack G.]

Real Terrytoons as bonus material! Calling Jack G. ...! :gandy:Well I guess you showed me! :pApparently CBS owns only post-1960s Mighty Mouse, with Paramount owning the rest of the Terrytoons library.Ah foo! I want stuff like Gypsy Life, Krakatoa (love that Carlo Vinci mouse babe!), and When Knights Were Bold.

As far as no releases from Warner goes, I wasn't suprised.
I know were all impatient for more, but were just gonna have to wait.
Let's just hope that the economy rebounds and along with it the idea of more collections (of unreleased material) becomes feasable.

[Speedy Boris]

When he said no new LT, did he mean for the rest of 2009, or 2010 as well? If the former, I can deal, because we already knew that. If the latter, :(

[pablo]

So Warner sees fit to release yet another uber-edition of The Wizard of Oz, but Looney Tunes - oh no we can't have that, no one will buy them...

Makes me sick... :mad:

[Nelson]

Ah foo! I want stuff like Gypsy Life, Krakatoa (love that Carlo Vinci mouse babe!), and When Knights Were Bold.

Jack G.
Just go to Jerry's garage sale and you will have your wish my friend;):mighty:

http://www.cartoonresearch.com/garagesale.html

[Nelson]

Was there any mention in regards to the Popeye collection and with the Mighty Mouse dvd, did Jerry say if the infamous missing Mighty Mouse cocaine scene(at least that's what the tv censors thought)will be reinstated?

For those who don't know about this, a scence was cut out from broadcast in which Mighty was sniffing a flower and he got a little high.The censors demanded the scence get cut out, in which they believed that Mighty was doing coke.

[ohmahaaha]

I don't understand from all of these posts .... did they actually say on this show that there would be no more Looney Tunes on DVD? I thought that they were still restoring 60 per year? :confused:

[Geezil]

Was there any mention in regards to the Popeye collection and with the Mighty Mouse dvd, did Jerry say if the infamous missing Mighty Mouse cocaine scene(at least that's what the tv censors thought)will be reinstated?

For those who don't know about this, a scence was cut out from broadcast in which Mighty was sniffing a flower and he got a little high.The censors demanded the scence get cut out, in which they believed that Mighty was doing coke.

Do. Not. Give. Anyone. Any. Ideas! :eek:

[PF9]

I don't understand from all of these posts .... did they actually say on this show that there would be no more Looney Tunes on DVD? I thought that they were still restoring 60 per year? :confused:

We need to give it some time. Warner still has interest, but at this point we need to wait until the recession is over.

[Leviathan]

We need to give it some time. Warner still has interest, but at this point we need to wait until the recession is over.

...in other words, give up all hope and start bootlegging.

[The "Chase"]

...in other words, give up all hope and start bootlegging.

Er, it won't last THAT long. Seriously, I don't think being pessimistic about a minor luxury/something we all love isn't healthy.

[nickramer]

Er, it won't last THAT long. Seriously, I don't think being pessimistic about a minor luxury/something we all love isn't healthy.
Agree and besides, we Muppets fans also have to wait next years for the Muppet Show Season 4.

[Jack G.]

Er, it won't last THAT long. Seriously, I don't think being pessimistic about a minor luxury/something we all love isn't healthy.Actually, people have no patience anymore.
They want instant gratification.
Jack G.
Just go to Jerry's garage sale and you will have your wish my friend;):mighty:Thanks. But I do have those.
I was hoping for cleaned up prints and restored titles.

[Studio Toledo]

...in other words, give up all hope and start bootlegging.
(place canned studio laughter here) :p

[oceansoul]

This stinks. Many great LTs haven't been restored and released yet, altough entire discs wasted on stuff like Bosko, Buddy, post-60 Speedy Gonzales, Sloan Foundation cartoons etc. Pfff... :shame:

[FleischerFan]

During the VHS era, there were many,many great Looney Tunes that never made it to tape either (as well as ALL of the Fleischer-era Popeyes), yet I don't remember this level of displeasure.

You can be a "glass half-empty" type if you wish. I think the level of cartoons available from legitimate releases, coupled with what you can find on the grey market is astounding - something I never would have believed possible when I was a kid.

And there are those among us who love the Bosko & Buddy cartoons and were thrilled to get them. (I will say nothing about Daffy & Speedy except that there must be somebody somewhere:rolleyes: who likes them).

[raginggoodfella]

If general view is that nobody has any money in this economy to buy the classic cartoon stuff, then why is WB release the not-so-classic stuff like Jetsons season 2, Chuck Jones' T&J, the Sat. Morning Sets,etc...? Because if humans can't afford the classic cartoons, I doubt they can afford the crap cartoons! And I know I'm not going to waste my money on these recent and upcoming WB cartoon releases.

[cbrubaker]

Re: The Jetsons and Chuck Jones T&J sets

The gist of it is that they were already transferred and ready to be released. And were already planned year or two back in advance.

[rrfan3267]

This stinks. Many great LTs haven't been restored and released yet, altough entire discs wasted on stuff like Bosko, Buddy, post-60 Speedy Gonzales, Sloan Foundation cartoons etc. Pfff... :shame:

The Sloan Foundation ones? Come on, that's three cartoons! You can't "waste an entire disc" with three shorts! I guess I can understand whining about Buddy, but people seriously need to stop complaining about absolutely everything. My friend's mom just lost her job and her house, and there's tons of people in that situation. And here people are whining about cartoons from 30 to 60 years ago and how they're not all pretty and cleaned up on DVD for them. Some of you guys have to get it together.

[Speedy Boris]

^ Yeah, priorities and all that. Besides, some of us like the Sloan Foundation shorts.

But again, to reiterate my question: What exactly was said on the radio show regarding future Looney Tunes? If nothing else, I hope they release the last compilation movie (Fantastic Island). While the linking material sucks, the movie may be the only place we get some shorts that aren't on DVD yet.

[Geezil]

[...]My friend's mom just lost her job and her house, and there's tons of people in that situation. And here people are whining about cartoons from 30 to 60 years ago and how they're not all pretty and cleaned up on DVD for them. Some of you guys have to get it together.

Let me be the first in line to shake your hand for that observation.

[oceansoul]

The Sloan Foundation ones? Come on, that's three cartoons! You can't "waste an entire disc" with three shorts! I guess I can understand whining about Buddy, but people seriously need to stop complaining about absolutely everything. My friend's mom just lost her job and her house, and there's tons of people in that situation. And here people are whining about cartoons from 30 to 60 years ago and how they're not all pretty and cleaned up on DVD for them. Some of you guys have to get it together.

Since this is a cartoon forum, people complaining about cartoons, not about their real life problems.:rolleyes:

[Steve Siegert]

One other observation I have made is the fact that once a recession occurs, some of its effects are not felt until up to a year later. That seems to be the case with the DVD releases we are getting this year.

The reason why Max Fleischer's Superman, Saturday Morning Cartoons, Jetsons Season 2, and Chuck Jones' Tom & Jerry are being released is because last year, WHV had approved these projects and they began work on getting these programs ready for a DVD release.

Like everyone else on this forum, I would like to get more Looney Tunes on DVD, and even more than Looney Tunes, I want the rest of the Popeye theatricals, but I am going to be patient. We should all just be thankful for what we have on DVD. After all, WB, Disney and Universal could have all made the decision to give us no DVD releases at all, and just let the films sit in the vaults and slowly deteriorate.

[Leviathan]

. After all, WB, Disney and Universal could have all made the decision to give us no DVD releases at all, and just let the films sit in the vaults and slowly deteriorate.

That's the thing. It's becoming more and more likely that that's EXACTLY what's going to happen.

[Matthew Hunter]

That's the thing. It's becoming more and more likely that that's EXACTLY what's going to happen.

I wouldn't go that far. I am sure Warner Bros. is still planning to continue restoring their cartoons. It still benefits them to do so, and I doubt the economy has much effect on that project. I'm sure they are just giving the DVD RELEASES a rest for a while, as I am sure they cost a lot to produce, and if nobody's buying them in a bad economy, that's just the hard truth of supply and demand. I'm more concerned about the cartoons' lack of availability on TV and internet right now than I am about the DVDs. Nobody's going to buy something on DVD if they've never heard of it. Let's hope that "Man Vs. Cartoon" thing does well, maybe Warner will market their cartoons more aggressively if it does. I don't care if it's CN, Boomerang, Hulu, or whatever...but Bugs and co. need to get back in the public eye.

[Vdubdavid]

I don't care if it's CN, Boomerang, Hulu, or whatever...but Bugs and co. need to get back in the public eye.


Precisely, which makes the recently-discussed politics between Warners and Turner over airing Looney Tunes on CN all the more idiotic in my view. Right now it's a lose-lose situation.

[Barb Herholzer]

During the VHS era, there were many,many great Looney Tunes that never made it to tape either (as well as ALL of the Fleischer-era Popeyes), yet I don't remember this level of displeasure.

You can be a "glass half-empty" type if you wish. I think the level of cartoons available from legitimate releases, coupled with what you can find on the grey market is astounding - something I never would have believed possible when I was a kid.

And there are those among us who love the Bosko & Buddy cartoons and were thrilled to get them. (I will say nothing about Daffy & Speedy except that there must be somebody somewhere:rolleyes: who likes them).

I agree. We've got so much available to us now that we could have scarcely have imagined just ten years ago. One difference though between the VHS era and now is that you could still find classic cartoons being shown on TV back then, nearly impossible these days. THAT could be a contributor to the ill feelings some collectors are now feeling...

[raginggoodfella]

Re: The Jetsons and Chuck Jones T&J sets

The gist of it is that they were already transferred and ready to be released. And were already planned year or two back in advance.
Well using that logic, then why doesn't WBr elease un-screwed up verison of the H-B Tom and Jerry shorts? They already restored them. So re-release them with all the cartoons and no cuts. That shouldn't cost much because the work has been done.

[trevthetoonfan]

To WHV: If you release it on DVD it wiil be bought. By me at least. Bring Looney Tunes back to DVD. I'll buy. I'm buying Chuck Jones's Tom and Jerrys and I just bought season 2 of The Jetsons and season 1 of The Jetsons online. I have the Saturday Morning collections and every Looney Tunes and Popeye release by Warners.

[bj_wanlund]

WHATEVER HAPPENED TO BEING HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU GOT??? Seriously, you LT fans need to quit your complaining.

Heck, I've been waiting for a very long time for proper season sets of Muppet Babies, and I've pestered Disney, I've begged Disney, but I am willing to be patient (although I'd like it if Disney stopped delaying the Muppet Show season sets already).

I'll be very happy with what we got, thank you very much. I'm more than willing to be patient and (reasonably) optimistic. However, as much as WHV pains me at times, at least they're trying to bring out OTHER catalog titles on DVD other than cartoons (and The Wozard of Oz), like the recent release of "Goodbye, Mr. Chips" with Peter O'Toole and TMS season 2 guest star Petula Clark. At least concede that WHV is actually good to FILM in general, and 50/50 on animated films (I'll concede the godawful T&J sets, I wish they'd just get off their rears and release them all uncensored already).

The ungratefulness I've seen on these boards for even the Max Fleischer Superman cartoons AT LONG LAST on DVD really, really, REALLY irks me, and is a major reason why I don't frequent these forums that often. I love cartoons like the rest of you, but I have an actual life outside of animated cartoons and comic books.

I'd rather have a wealth of things to watch and enjoy than a limited amount of cartoons that, while I still enjoy them, it would behoove me to simply watch films in general.

I just want to expand my horizons a bit more beyond this realm (and if I did expand my horizons, I would actually get an even deeper appreciation for these cartoons).

Speaking at length about esoteric cartoons doesn't excite me AT ALL. Talking about the latest dumb adult cartoon du jour is BORING. And arguing over WHV's (admittedly) very wise decision to lay off of the Looney Tunes (like they laid off of rereleases of The Wizard of Oz until this year) is utterly and excruciatingly dull.

This is the last time that I will speak at this length on the topic. I will continue to look at these forums, however.

Here's a bit of advice: NO COMPANY ANSWERS DIRECTLY TO YOU AND YOUR DESIRES. Patience is a virtue. Don't scream about things aimed squarely at you if it's not exactly what you want.

BJ

[trevthetoonfan]

I'm sorry if we seem "ungrateful". I was willing to be patient with Warners for not wanting to release Looney Tunes compilation this year. I'm happy that we're getting the movies out on DVD, they've been long overdue. But what bothers us Looney Tunes fans is they're willing to wait a year (this year) on any straight Looney Tunes cartoon sets. Jerry Beck says the next set will be next year. OK, fine. But then to get our hopes up for next year and then say, "Well, the Looney Tunes aren't selling well, so we won't sell them anymore at all." Well, to me, that's just plain wrong. I have no problems with WHV on their other properties and what they're doing with them but to do what they're doing with Looney Tunes, wrong wrong wrong. I hope Warners sees the error of their ways.

[Geezil]

I'm sorry if we seem "ungrateful". I was willing to be patient with Warners for not wanting to release Looney Tunes compilation this year. I'm happy that we're getting the movies out on DVD, they've been long overdue. But what bothers us Looney Tunes fans is they're willing to wait a year (this year) on any straight Looney Tunes cartoon sets. Jerry Beck says the next set will be next year. OK, fine. But then to get our hopes up for next year and then say, "Well, the Looney Tunes aren't selling well, so we won't sell them anymore at all." Well, to me, that's just plain wrong. I have no problems with WHV on their other properties and what they're doing with them but to do what they're doing with Looney Tunes, wrong wrong wrong. I hope Warners sees the error of their ways.

Two words: Warner Archive.

Jerry mentioned that Web-only sales project on the latest show as well, and in time, it could become our ideal answer to "what they're doing with Looney Tunes." Hang in there!

[Thad]

The problem is with the Warner Archive is: A) they're unrestored; B) DVD-Rs; C) over-priced.

Seeing that I have all the Warner shorts like that already, why the hell would I buy them unless they were restored?

[Geezil]

The problem is with the Warner Archive is: A) they're unrestored; B) DVD-Rs; C) over-priced.

Seeing that I have all the Warner shorts like that already, why the hell would I buy them unless they were restored?

Congrats on being fortunate and tenacious enough to have picked up all the Warner shorts. Let's see...that makes one completely satisfied collector out of (warning: extremely arbitrary figure follows) 4,329,865...! :dodo:

[Gasmask Ted]

Thad, I believe Jerry said on Stu's show that they are not DVD-Rs. I don't understand how that's possible (I suppose the cost of a glass master is cheaper when you're the production facility), so it's possible I misheard. Can anyone confirm that is what Jerry said?

[Speedy Boris]

DVD-Rs or not, I wouldn't want future LTs to be released through the Archives. I want to be able to buy them in a physical store, have them restored, and possibly have a few special features with it (such as music only audio tracks, which don't take too much effort to put on there, as opposed to creating a whole new featurette). I'm not asking for Golden Collection-sized sets here (those days are gone, or at least on hiatus), but I also don't want a few cartoons slapped on a disc without any kind of flair or fanfare.

[Brandon Panther]

Thad, I believe Jerry said on Stu's show that they are not DVD-Rs. I don't understand how that's possible (I suppose the cost of a glass master is cheaper when you're the production facility), so it's possible I misheard. Can anyone confirm that is what Jerry said?
Jerry did indeed say they were remastered. I remember, as soon as Jerry said that, I was thinking, "Didn't Thad say they WEREN'T remastered?"

WB may have changed things since Thad's initial purchase, or WB is only selecting what films they remaster, and Jerry is unaware of this.

[Gasmask Ted]

Brandon, something can be remastered but be burned to a DVR (I suppose creating a new glass master might be referred to as remastering, but that isn't the word's general use). This was a more specific statement. I believe the words "not DVR-s" were spoken, but I'm not certain of it.

[JERRY BECK]

I believe the words "not DVR-s" were spoken, but I'm not certain of it.

Hi everyone!

Thad K. and David Gerstein pointed out to me that the Warner Archive DVD's ARE indeed DVD-R. I made a mistake on Stu's Show. I'm sorry for the mis-information and am always happy to correct my errors.

My focus is on content - not the technology. The Warner Archives DVDs are going to get very exciting in the next few months as vintage live action shorts and several cartoons that have NOT run on TCM, or available elsewhere, begin to be made available. I will announce what these are when I'm allowed to on Cartoon Brew.

[Bugsy-Kun]

I watching it last wednesday and i feeling a bad approach between Stu and Jerry. It's like more they meet each other during this great show and more it start to spoiled the fun to informed what's current in the classic animation.

But anyway, glad for the 1987's Mighty Mouse is gonna be on DVD. I never have the chance to watch it because i was a baby when it showed in air.

[Bradskey]

The DVD's from Warner Archive are in fact DVD-R's, but they are not burned like typical DVD-R's the way you do at home with a DVD burner and some software. Warner has developed their own special process to "burn" the DVD data into the dye of DVD-R discs. This supposedly makes them more reliable/durable and cheap enough to produce on-demand. But an especially irritating feature of their "process" is that somehow this makes the discs terribly incompatible with some, possible even most, PC/laptop DVD drives. The durability claim is unproven, while the compatibility issues are annoying.

[Jack G.]

But an especially irritating feature of their "process" is that somehow this makes the discs terribly incompatible with some, possible even most, PC/laptop DVD drives. The durability claim is unproven, while the compatibility issues are annoying.Ahhh, that's not good.
I do most of my watching on a Mac and then like to do screen captures to study or use as my desktop.

[Bradskey]

Ahhh, that's not good.
I do most of my watching on a Mac and then like to do screen captures to study or use as my desktop.

You'll have to try one to see how it works for you, but don't be surprised if it has difficulty reading the disc or doesn't work at all.

[Studio Toledo]

My focus is on content - not the technology. The Warner Archives DVDs are going to get very exciting in the next few months as vintage live action shorts and several cartoons that have NOT run on TCM, or available elsewhere, begin to be made available. I will announce what these are when I'm allowed to on Cartoon Brew.
I know I don't want to know more until it finally happens.

[Fibber Fox]

I know I don't want to know more until it finally happens.

Did Jerry say "Warner live action shorts"? I hope it's the McDoakes series. They're very funny. I'll buy those.

F. Fox
http://yowpyowp.blogspot.com

[Kevin McCorry]

The DVD's from Warner Archive are in fact DVD-R's, but they are not burned like typical DVD-R's the way you do at home with a DVD burner and some software. Warner has developed their own special process to "burn" the DVD data into the dye of DVD-R discs. This supposedly makes them more reliable/durable and cheap enough to produce on-demand. But an especially irritating feature of their "process" is that somehow this makes the discs terribly incompatible with some, possible even most, PC/laptop DVD drives. The durability claim is unproven, while the compatibility issues are annoying.

Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't this how all DVD burning is done?

This and the news on The Alvin Show has me thinking we're regressing back to the bad old days of VHS with rack-job releases and perishable media. For my own part, I have all the DVD+Rs in my collection (BB/RR Hours, mainly) I have time to deal with. It takes time burning back-ups every year or two, and I don't want to have to do it any more than I currently have to.

Pressed DVDs or no sale. No matter what it is.

[Studio Toledo]

Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't this how all DVD burning is done?
It's all a blur to me!

This and the news on The Alvin Show has me thinking we're regressing back to the bad old days of VHS with rack-job releases and perishable media.
I guess "season box sets" aren't 'in' anymore! :p

For my own part, I have all the DVD+Rs in my collection (BB/RR Hours, mainly) I have time to deal with. It takes time burning back-ups every year or two, and I don't want to have to do it any more than I currently have to.
Digital medium is a terrible thing to waste.

Pressed DVDs or no sale. No matter what it is.
Sad really.

Worst I got is a EP tape of some Alvin Show episodes I traded tapes with years ago I could watch again despite the over-worn quality. If only I had some episodes on 16mm, I'd be happy either way (those prices get a little ridiculous on eBay).

[Bradskey]

Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't this how all DVD burning is done?


Well no, not really -- I didn't mean to say they burn the data into the dye the way we would with a PC DVD burner, that's why I quoted "burn". Nobody outside WB really knows exactly how its done, but its not the way everybody else does it. I'm imagining they (or likely an outside contractor) have developed a system that bypasses the way the media is meant to be burned and perhaps virtually "presses" (in a manner of speaking) the image into the dye. That's just one guess, I have no idea how they do it except they have said time and again the discs are not burned in the conventional manner. The resulting DVD-R's are different somehow than if they had been created with a normal DVD recorder.