Official Looney Tunes Golden Collection, Vol. 6 DVD Talkback Thread [Archive]

Jon Cooke

10-18-2008, 12:29 PM

Welcome to the official GAC talkback thread for Looney Tunes Golden Collection, Vol. 6 DVD set which will be released on Tuesday, October 21, 2008. All discussion and talkback relating to this DVD set may be posted here. (Please note - previous discussion threads about this set have been closed, please use this thread instead).

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Jon Cooke

10-18-2008, 12:34 PM

Previous threads:

Screen shots and trailer (http://forums.goldenagecartoons.com/showthread.php?t=11933)

WHV Press Release (http://forums.goldenagecartoons.com/showthread.php?t=11734)

Complete Contents (http://forums.goldenagecartoons.com/showthread.php?t=11510&highlight=Volume)

The "Chase"

10-18-2008, 01:24 PM

Marty26

10-18-2008, 01:40 PM

I still have to buy LTGC5. I don't know when, though (Christmas, may be?).

Bradskey

10-18-2008, 03:12 PM

Alright, my first year with the Golden Collection threads. This'll be fun! :D

Now, to add to the thread, I'm planning to get my copy on the release date over at Sam's Club with my own money. I've been going there to get the Golden Collections' since volume 3 (before anyone ask, I got the first one at Christmas of '03 and the second one at Best Buy three days later).

Sign, out of all of the days to take that [censored] history test, she HAD to pick this day to not be exicted about this all day.

But, on the bright side, I got someone who's also interested in this. So hey, that's something to look up to.

Two or three years ago I actually picked up my first LTGC at Sam's as an impulse buy. It was Vol 3 I think and it was only $20 !!! Since then I preorder them all and don't get quite that big a price break, but I expect I'll have Vol 6 in my greedy little hands on Tuesday.

Speedy Boris

10-18-2008, 08:26 PM

Unfortunately due to my job getting in the way, I won't be able to buy this until after work on Tuesday, not right away in the morning like in previous years. And I won't get to watch as much in a marathon, also due to work (not saying I want to be unemployed, just saying it makes it easier to watch DVDs!)

At any rate, I'm definitely looking forward to Tuesday.

speedy fast

10-18-2008, 11:13 PM

Normally I waited a few months after the releases of the previous sets to buy the ones I have, but I think I might actually buy this one on the day it comes out. I had decided on this after I read the contents, and the news of a Bosko/ Buddy/ early Merrie Melodies disc. I'm most excited about that one, as well as the wartime disc, and some of my favorite one-shots are also going to be included (and I'll finally get to see Norman Normal!). I just read that Best Buy will have soem sort of exclusive book to come with it. I guess I'll buy it there.

LTS

10-19-2008, 04:57 AM

My Amazon order for LTGCv6 is Shipping Soon so it should ship in about 2 days and then another 1-2 days to Australia so i should have it by thursday-friday. :D

I cant wait to rip this set open, i might go with a new tactic this year. Instead of watching it from start-finish i might just watch my favourites first. I realised that if this is indeed the final GC, it is yet another set i have finished collecting, which is strange because the other one's i have all the episodes of, this one i have over 600 shorts still to go.

tristar

10-19-2008, 09:41 AM

Only two more days!!!!!!!! I just can't wait! I think the first discs I'll watch will be Disc 4 (for Horton, Norman Normal, and Now Hear This), and then Disc 3 (for those live action gag reels featuring the WB staff)!

BTW, I still haven't picked up v1 yet.:o

nickramer

10-19-2008, 12:48 PM

I will pick it up this Tuesday, but I'll have to watch it later because I have work in the morning.

Bugsy-Kun

10-19-2008, 01:05 PM

I asked it for my birthday.

Vdubdavid

10-19-2008, 06:34 PM

I've got a question. What do studios look at more, the sales on the release date, or farther down the road?

Duck Dodgers

10-20-2008, 02:50 AM

I've got a question. What do studios look at more, the sales on the release date, or farther down the road?

If the set is bought 5-6 months or one year after the release plans for the subsequent GC (the definitive decision to end the series or its resurrection) are already made.
I suggest to buy it as soon as it comes out.

Cartman

10-20-2008, 11:58 AM

I can't believe it's only tomorrow when it comes out. I'll be looking forward to this set.

pablo

10-20-2008, 12:36 PM

Mine was shipped from Amazon over the weekend, so I should have it by Tuesday!

gdX

10-20-2008, 12:41 PM

Screw it.

I'm taking tomorrow off.

And unplugging the phone.

:coyote:

janiepooh34

10-20-2008, 01:22 PM

Mine was shipped from Amazon over the weekend, so I should have it by Tuesday!

Mine was shipped from Amazon last Friday but said it wont be here until Saturday the 25th!

Whenever it gets here, I will be happy. I will first watch "(Page) Miss Glory." After that it will be all of them in order.

Jeffitarian

10-20-2008, 01:59 PM

I'm pinching the pennies right now (OW!), otherwise I'd buy both LTGC 5 & 6. There's too much good stuff on these releases like the wartime and B & W offerings, basically all the toons that were never aired on my local stations while I was growing up.

Maybe I can find a good price for them when I head back to the mainland for the holidays...

chris_1988

10-20-2008, 03:45 PM

My set says its "shipping soon" as of today, Monday, so it should be here thursday. . Ill just watch the first 5 Volumes again to hold me over.

trondmm

10-20-2008, 04:49 PM

I've got a question. What do studios look at more, the sales on the release date, or farther down the road?

Well, I think it's common that about 75% of a DVD title's sales comes in the first 2 weeks after its release. Some titles may have longer tails than others, but I think studios generally make up their minds about the title's success or failure within a month of release.

Unfortunately, I'm waiting until December before I buy this. I'm planning to buy several other titles (Little Rascals, SNL season 4), and I have to bundle them into one order to reduce import taxes.

Ranger Rick

10-20-2008, 06:39 PM

I'll be stopping at Best Buy after work to pick up my set. What is the booklet that comes with the set at BB?
thanks:daffy:

Jon Cooke

10-20-2008, 09:33 PM

Volume 6 is currently at #49 on Amazon's Top 100 bestsellers list. Not too bad... :bugs2:

Leviathan

10-20-2008, 09:35 PM

Still, the Amazon ranking probably doesn't havem uch bearing on the actual sales. The Droopy and Popeye sets had incredibly high initial Amazon rankings and those underperformed in Warner's eyes.

Brandon Panther

10-20-2008, 09:55 PM

I think in Warner's eyes, if it's not #1 or #2, it has "underperformed".

JPox

10-21-2008, 01:37 AM

Wanna see some screen-shots?
http://jedaniels-adventures.blogspot.com/2008/10/ltgc6-sneek-peek_21.html

Keith Paynter

10-21-2008, 02:38 AM

Amazon.ca shipped my copy Saturday, so I'm hoping Tuesday, but possibly Wednesday.

Thanks for the new screen shots!

Jon Cooke

10-21-2008, 07:21 AM

Wanna see some screen-shots?
http://jedaniels-adventures.blogspot.com/2008/10/ltgc6-sneek-peek_21.html

Those look amazing!

Also, here's a taste of the restored "My Favorite Duck" courtesy of WB Home Video: http://raincloud.warnerbros.com/wbol/us/whv/med/looney_tunes/spotlight_collection/vol6/ltscv6mfd_baby_eagle_qt_500.mov

Duck Dodgers

10-21-2008, 08:13 AM

Those screenshots are amazing!
I really suggest you to buy it soon, before Xmas comes!
It's a must-have and as all must-have dvd sets it's better to get them as soon as they become available;)

TheGreatOz

10-21-2008, 09:32 AM

I'm hoping the Bosko's Picture Show is the unedited version. Anyone screened it yet?
Thanks! ;)

Larry T

10-21-2008, 09:50 AM

Wow, those look great! I've never seen "Wild Wife" so clear before!! Thanks for posting those, JPox!

And who'd have noticed that Daffy with the bone on his head from "Birth Of A Notion" he looks like he's be painted brown? I'm sure we will all be blown away by the clarity of "Russian Rhapsody" since there's always so much going on in that cartoon.

Wow I can't wait until this set arrives!

lonesome-lenny

10-21-2008, 09:55 AM

Wanna see some screen-shots?
http://jedaniels-adventures.blogspot.com/2008/10/ltgc6-sneek-peek_21.html

Jed, something on your blog makes my browser (Safari) immediately crash. Dunno what it is, but here's a heads up...

Speedy Boris

10-21-2008, 09:57 AM

Duck Dodgers

10-21-2008, 11:01 AM

And who'd have noticed that Daffy with the bone on his head from "Birth Of A Notion" he looks like he's be painted brown?

I noticed and supposed it was due to the quality of the print. I remember a "dark" beginning of it.

zavkram

10-21-2008, 11:36 AM

I received an e-mail from Amazon, yesterday, stating that my copy has already shipped. I chose the free shipping, so it takes 5-9 business days. I'm hoping I'll get it by this Friday so I can spend all day Saturday watching it. The price I paid for it on Amazon was $44.99.

And yes, those screen-shots are spectacular! :bugs2: :daffy: :tweety: :sylvester :ysam: :befuddled :bosko: :speedy:

Jon Cooke

10-21-2008, 11:44 AM

They had it for $49.99 at Target this morning. I didn't QUITE have enough in my wallet for that, grrr. Going to try Best Buy after work- will it possibly be $44.99 there, or is it likely $50 everywhere?

Best Buy has Volume 6 on sale for $44.99 this week, Best Buy's version also comes packaged with an exclusive pocket-sized edition of Jerry Beck's LT: The Ultimate Visual Guide shrinkwrapped to the outside of the box.

JPox

10-21-2008, 11:47 AM

I posted some more quick shots for your viewing pleasure!
http://jedaniels-adventures.blogspot.com/2008/10/more-ltgc6-eye-candy.html

The opening to "Birth of a Notion" plays with the color scheme because it's early evening. That caught my eye right away, very experimental!
I assume that "Bosko's Picture Show" is uncut...."that dirty fox!" (as the subtitle reads the line)
Sorry about the crashing Lonesome Lenny, I use Firefox and have links to YouTube and Flickr on there. Could that be causing problems?

JPox

10-21-2008, 11:58 AM

The set is spectacular! The choice of cartoons are excellent! The packaging is fun and clever!
My only gripe with the set is there is not enough commentaries. I would have liked to hear more from Eric Goldberg or Paul Dini.
I can't wait to find out what they have planned for future DVDs...

Brandon Panther

10-21-2008, 11:58 AM

Best Buy's version also comes packaged with an exclusive pocket-sized edition of Jerry Beck's LT: The Ultimate Visual Guide shrinkwrapped to the outside of the box.
500 trees gave up their lives just for THAT?!

J. B. Warner

10-21-2008, 12:03 PM

Best Buy has Volume 6 on sale for $44.99 this week, Best Buy's version also comes packaged with an exclusive pocket-sized edition of Jerry Beck's LT: The Ultimate Visual Guide shrinkwrapped to the outside of the box.

Oh, is that all it is? Geez, guess I don't need to hit Best Buy after all - I've already got the full-size version of that book. Looks like it's the Amazon route for me!

Brandon Panther

10-21-2008, 12:15 PM

How much is Wal-Mart selling this set for?

Bugsy-Kun

10-21-2008, 12:17 PM

Those screenshots are amazing. I'm finally happy that i can see "Heaven Scent" in a better print like on ABC in the mid-90's.

Yeah, i miss too the commentaries of Michael Barrier, Eric Goldberg, Paul Dini and Daniel Goldmark and i'm disappointed that the new Popeye DVD didn't have comments of this peoples. :(

speedy fast

10-21-2008, 12:42 PM

I got the set. The first cartoon I watched was Bosko's Picture Show, and then Buddy's Day Out, and now I'm watching A Cartoonists Nightmare. These are all good cartoons. I am a bit disapointed that the exclusive book is The Ultimate Visual Guide, since I already have the book (and this version isn't complete; it only includes the first three chapters, and leaves out pages on behind-the-scenes, wartime cartoons, and early Looney Tunes, quite ironic since this collection includes wartime toons and early cartoons).

Duck Dodgers

10-21-2008, 01:50 PM

Just curious, how does "Confusions" look?
I own a bad print of it.

speedy fast

10-21-2008, 02:04 PM

Thad

10-21-2008, 02:07 PM

Just picked it up at Target for 49.99 after work this morning.

Crowing Pains looks awesome! A nice Stalling rendition of "Time Waits for No One" plays over the titles.

Thad

10-21-2008, 02:18 PM

Thad

10-21-2008, 02:40 PM

pablo

10-21-2008, 02:53 PM

Those look amazing!

Also, here's a taste of the restored "My Favorite Duck" courtesy of WB Home Video: http://raincloud.warnerbros.com/wbol/us/whv/med/looney_tunes/spotlight_collection/vol6/ltscv6mfd_baby_eagle_qt_500.mov

Not that I am complaining, not at all, I always preorder each of these, and I love them dearly. But I have a question as to the quality of restoration. In this clip we can often see color flickering, it's easy to see due to the large portion of the sky that's visible. See two consecutive frames:

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/9946/snapshot20081021144906gc2.jpghttp://img160.imageshack.us/img160/6991/snapshot20081021144912bw3.jpg

Why couldn't this anomaly be fixed? It's probably a simple matter of color correction, matching the previous frame's color to the next.

pablo

10-21-2008, 02:58 PM

On the bonus cartoons, "Bartholomew Versus the Wheel", "Boyhood Daze", and "Rabbit Rampage" were the only ones restored. "Hop and Go" has a f--ked up soundtrack done for foreign use (music over the dialog where it shouldn't be).

I'm assuming unrestored bonus shorts, like from the previous collections, should turn up restored in a later volume.

Leviathan

10-21-2008, 03:00 PM

Bit of bad news: the Fresh Airedale soundtrack does not include the "40 Points for that roast..." and "bat out a few battleships" lines. Fifth Column Mouse is missing the "down with the Axis" line of the opening song. Both still look amazing though.

Thad,

it's all very similar to how "Bugs Bunny Rides Again" lacked the Mahatma Ghandi reference.

Apparently the reissue soundtracks were in better shape than the originals.

The "Chase"

10-21-2008, 03:23 PM

Well, I went to Sam's Club, Circut City, and Wal-Mart, and yet, nothing. If Target fails me (and mom), looks like I'm using Amazon!

EDIT: Never mind, looks like I'm heading for Sam's Goodys!

EDIT 2: BOOYAH!! Got it at last!

For anyone curious about about the price, despite the cover saying 64.99, I only got it for 50.28 (without tax, 46.99). Probably because Mom saved $18 for some reason.

Oh well, SEE YOUSE GUYS LATER!!!!!!! :D :D

WoodpeckerWoody

10-21-2008, 03:46 PM

Because of the Icelandic econmoic crisis I will probably post-pone this until 11. nov at minimum and maximun next year.

pablo

10-21-2008, 04:24 PM

Woohoo, mine arrived from Amazon!

Matt the Y

10-21-2008, 04:59 PM

"Hop and Go" has a f--ked up soundtrack done for foreign use (music over the dialog where it shouldn't be).

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Dang it! Why, Warner Home Video, WHY???!!

Other than that, though, this looks like a great set!

Jon Cooke

10-21-2008, 05:06 PM

How much is Wal-Mart selling this set for?

My local Wal-Mart, like in previous years, was only carrying the the new LT Spotlight Collection, Vol. 6. You'll probably have better luck at Best Buy or Target.

Studio Toledo

10-21-2008, 05:30 PM

I've watched some more cartoons, mainly ones tht I either haven't seen, or don't remember too well (like Now Hear This and Hippety Hopper). They are great. Right now I am watching The Ducktators. Norman Normal is good, though it seems a bit short. I was surprised that different music played during the opening of that cartoon.
Yea, someone in the same boat as I was about it. If anything, the cartoon lacked a kind of proper closure, we're presented with Norman's problem but aren't given a sort of pay-off to it. From what had been mentioned here before, this would've been part of a series involving this character, but sadly one never materialized. So we're left to our own devices to wonder what else could be said past this 6 minute mindbender?

nickramer

10-21-2008, 05:47 PM

I got it. I should mention that "Sniffiles Takes a Trip" is the 1995 dubbed version complete with 1995 copyright at the end.
Also, the pocket sized "Visual Guide" pages of Porky and Tweety are slightly different than the bigger version as the fat Porky and "naked" Tweety images are replaced.
"There's something scwewy going on awound hewe".:befuddled

looneytooney

10-21-2008, 05:51 PM

LTS

10-21-2008, 05:58 PM

Mine shipped this morning from Amazon. In Australian time, it left LA at about 7am so it should take 24 hours so hopefully i'll have it thursday morning or friday morning (Australian time).

Sean Gaffney

10-21-2008, 06:01 PM

Dave Mackey

10-21-2008, 06:09 PM

Sean Gaffney

10-21-2008, 07:28 PM

I had gotten both V5 ($23.99!) and V6 ($42.99) at Costco today. The first thing I noticed that there was no mention of the word "uncut" on the back cover of V6. That said, do not let that deter you from getting this set. I think Costco has everything from V3 onward in stock now, so grab em cheap while you can (assuming you're a Costco member).

Well, from a quick cursory glance and fastforward, Buddy's Circus is 6 minutes 32 seconds, and has the Ubangi-phone scene, so I think they're all uncut (at least the main shorts). If they were gonna cut, it'd be that. :buddy: My Nickelodeon copy of this was about 5 minutes or so.

Brandon Panther

10-21-2008, 07:39 PM

Thad,

it's all very similar to how "Bugs Bunny Rides Again" lacked the Mahatma Ghandi reference.

Apparently the reissue soundtracks were in better shape than the originals.
They couldn't take the audio from Fresh Airedale's dubbed version and...? Never mind.

indy mike

10-21-2008, 08:30 PM

Holy crap, Birth of a Notion looks amazing (if Blue-Ribboned)! Stunning restoration.

I wasn't expecting much from the 'bonus cartoons', so am not too upset about it.

More as I watch more. Liked Greg's commentary on Hare Trigger, though there's not much new introduced.

Did you notice that when Daffy Duck appears at the start of the short he's a rather peculiar shade of brown? He stays that way for a few moments, walks behind some trees, and then appears in his normal shade of black.

Speedy Boris

10-21-2008, 08:42 PM

Man, Daws Butler sounds half asleep narrating "Wild Wild World".

Matt the Y

10-21-2008, 08:46 PM

Man, Daws Butler sounds half asleep narrating "Wild Wild World".

Remember, Daws is doing a vocal impersonation of Dave Garroway in that cartoon (hence the name of the TV show host, "Cave Darroway"), a real-life TV show host (who was host of "The Today Show" at the time that cartoon was made) who was well-known for his very relaxed, very laid-back tone and mood when discussing things with his audience. (Too bad this masked his apparently very troubled inner persona since he was fired from The Today Show in 1961 for being temperamental on the set and actually commited suicide in 1982!).

indy mike

10-21-2008, 08:57 PM

Speedy Boris

10-21-2008, 09:07 PM

Remember, Daws is doing a vocal impersonation of Dave Garroway in that cartoon (hence the name of the TV show host, "Cave Darroway"), a real-life TV show host (who was host of "The Today Show" at the time that cartoon was made) who was well-known for his very relaxed, very laid-back tone and mood when discussing things with his audience. (Too bad this masked his apparently very troubled inner persona since he was fired from The Today Show in 1961 for being temperamental on the set and actually commited suicide in 1982!). Ah, I figured it was a parody of something.

BTW, I started on the One Shots disc, mainly because I wanted to watch "The Hole Idea" first, and that sort of got the ball rolling. I think this is the first time I haven't gone in order.

Cartoon King

10-21-2008, 09:45 PM

Got mine at Best Buy today! Since I don't have Jerry Beck's book, whoo-hooo! It's pretty good so far (though I haven't had much time to read it with all the toons to watch) and if I like this edition, may buy the full-size book later.

I watched Crowing Pains first, then went to Disc 3. Caught Buddy's Circus, Bosko's Picture Show and A Cartoonist's Nightmare (one of my faves). Then went back to Disc 1. Love what I've seen so far. My son Noah is really starting to get into Looney Tunes with me. He likes Roadrunner.

Well, back to the show...:daffy:

rrfan3267

10-21-2008, 10:35 PM

Is anyone able to post some before/after screenshots? Like cartoons that were public domain and unrestored like Fifth Column Mouse and then their restored versions? Thanks! I hope you're enjoying the set!

Matthew Hunter

10-21-2008, 11:07 PM

They've done it again. I'm gonna be a bit sleep-deprived at work tomorrow, at this point! More of my opinions on it later on...

Leviathan

10-21-2008, 11:09 PM

Matt, you going to review it for GAC?

I haven't yet talked to Jon about it, but maybe we can do double review for Volume 6 like we did on Popeye (I shoudh ave my copy this week)

Brandon Panther

10-21-2008, 11:35 PM

If you don't have the set yet, Thad has posted the titles on his blog (which I have not looked at yet).

zavkram

10-22-2008, 12:10 AM

Did you notice that when Daffy Duck appears at the start of the short he's a rather peculiar shade of brown? He stays that way for a few moments, walks behind some trees, and then appears in his normal shade of black.

I could be wrong about this, but I think that may simply have more to do with the color-scheme of that particular layout. It is apparently the crack of dawn at the time when Daffy is headed towards the house with that bone, and the color of his body at that point may be how it would have looked in the early morning light. In the nighttime scenes of Disney's Lady and the Tramp, for example, each of the characters were inked and painted using darker hues to reflect the setting.

On a different topic: I was watching Disc 2 just now and I noticed that, according to the DVD case, there is supposed to be a spoken commentary by Jerry Beck for Fifth Column Mouse. When I looked for a commentary icon and a listing for that commentary on the disc menus, however, I couldn't find either... Was this just a typo on the DVD case, or was there an actual commentary for this cartoon and for some reason it was left out at the very last moment?

Jon Cooke

10-22-2008, 06:09 AM

Here's a nice review from the Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/artsandliving/movies/features/bonus-points/102108.html

J Lee

10-22-2008, 09:07 AM

They couldn't take the audio from Fresh Airedale's dubbed version and...? Never mind.

Ironically, it's probably the screw-ups with the audio tracks they had on the first three volumes of the Golden Collections because they used the dubbed version soundtracks for the pre-48 shorts that led them not to use the restored Turner version on this one.

Larry T

10-22-2008, 10:16 AM

"Hop and Go" has a f--ked up soundtrack done for foreign use (music over the dialog where it shouldn't be).

What the hell was that &$(@*! mess? What a disappointment because that is one of my favourite McCabe cartoons, too... who felt the need to chop pieces of the musical track and play them while the characters are talking? What an unnecessary, useless waste of time that could have been spent actually improving the print. :mad:

Same goes for "Sniffles Takes a Trip".. it sounds like it was recorded in a tin can- even the laserdisc version has a better soundtrack than that one.

"Page Miss Glory" is a little grainy- although the colours are remarkable and vivid.. that was a nice surprise.

Still watching....

lonesome-lenny

10-22-2008, 10:41 AM

I watched most of Disc 1 last night. Getting to finally see "Bear Feat" made my day. It was deeply satisfying to realize that I now owned a copy of "Birth of a Notion," since that was the one pre-48, Turner-package WB toon that didn't want me to see it.

I appreciated Mark Kausler's commentary on "Notion." I find it fascinating--and puzzling--that there were major animators who never recieved screen credit. I'm bad with names, but the animator with the Eastern European name (who wasn't credited) contributed the lion's share of the cartoon's footage.

I know the WB cartoon credits were on a rotation basis in the earlier '40s, but by the end of the decade, it seemed that they routinely listed at least four animators per short, sometimes five. Wouldn't it have been a simple thing to credit this animator?

File this under "PUZZLES, BUREAUCRATIC."

I had forgotten about the weirdness that is "Hook, Line and Stinker." The canned John Seely score is at breathtaking odds with the Maltese-Jones mis-en-scene.

Again, I wonder: did Jones run through all the Seely themes they had on hand and assemble a score, to which he and Maltese plotted their cartoon's actions? That must have been a frustrating effort.

Haven't hit the extras, aside from "Boyhood Daze," which was a pleasure to see again, after 30-ish years. I'm glad that short was apparently restored. I'm a bit dissapointed to hear of shorts with missing material, and some of the bonus shorts being unrestored. Still, one has a hell of a lot here to watch and enjoy!

Speedy Boris

10-22-2008, 10:42 AM

Since I don't feel like writing my thoughts twice, here are my opinions on the cartoons I've watched so far: http://forums.toonzone.net/showpost.php?p=3027599&postcount=16

Also, I concur that the sound in "Sniffles Takes a Trip" is below par. What happened there?

jonmayo15

10-22-2008, 10:55 AM

Can anyone post a complete list of the Blue Ribbons with restored titles on this set? I'll be getting it either this weekend or next week.

Brandon Panther

10-22-2008, 11:50 AM

I wouldn't worry to much about the audio problems with "Hop and Go" and "Sniffles Takes a Trip". If they weren't actually remastered, there's a good chance we'll se proper restorations of them at a later date, for the 2009 releases, or beyond. I know WB said no double-dipping, but that might have meant the restored shorts.

zavkram

10-22-2008, 11:53 AM

For those of you who haven't gotten your copy yet, here are a few more frame-grabs:

http://forum.bcdb.com/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=6477;

http://forum.bcdb.com/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=6478;

http://forum.bcdb.com/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=6463;

http://forum.bcdb.com/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=6479;

http://forum.bcdb.com/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=6480;

http://forum.bcdb.com/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=6471;

http://forum.bcdb.com/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=6473;

http://forum.bcdb.com/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=6475;

http://forum.bcdb.com/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=6476;

Note that Horton Hatches the Egg is the Blue Ribbon version... I had really hoped that this one would have had restored main-titles and music cues. Otherwise the cartoon looks great and the Peter Lorre gag is uncut!

Nelson

10-22-2008, 11:55 AM

I won't be able to get thet collection(I'm getting at Best Buy)until tomorrow, but how does the restoration for the earliest b&w cartoons look?

And take my advice, if anyone hasn't gotten the set, get it at Best Buy, cause after this Saturday, the price will go up.

nickramer

10-22-2008, 12:03 PM

The restoration of "Bosko the Doughboy" is very stunning.

zavkram

10-22-2008, 12:06 PM

I wouldn't worry to much about the audio problems with "Hop and Go" and "Sniffles Takes a Trip"

I've already watched Hop and Go (a very strange cartoon, I thought) but haven't watched Sniffles Takes a Trip just yet... I didn't really have difficulty hearing any of the dialogue in Hop and Go; although I did notice that the music was just a little bit louder during the sections with dialogue.

I've just found another anomally on the DVD set... this time on Disc 3:

During Jerry Beck's Introduction to "The World of Leon Schlesinger" featurettes, I could have sworn that he had said that the "Bugs Bunny War Bond Rally" would be included as well. There is a clip of that promo film included in his Introduction, but the actual unedited film doesn't seem to be anywhere else on the disc... Maybe the brief clip was all that was supposed to be included: I was up rather late last night watching the DVD set and I might have been so tired that I just simply misunderstood...

zavkram

10-22-2008, 12:13 PM

...How does the restoration for the earliest b&w cartoons look?

So far I've watched Congo Jazz, Bosko the Doughboy, Smile, Darn Ya, Smile, Shuffle Off to Buffalo and A Cartoonist's Nightmare (the latter two with spoken commentary) and they all look great:

Here are a couple of Black and White frame-grabs:

http://forum.bcdb.com/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=6466;

http://forum.bcdb.com/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=6462;

I haven't seen any instances of excessive DVNR in the color and B&W cartoons I've watched thus far (and I've been watching these on my PC in Windows Media XP)... I did notice a little bit of interlacing during the Leon Schlesinger Christmas party footage, however.

Bradskey

10-22-2008, 01:52 PM

I did notice a little bit of interlacing during the Leon Schlesinger Christmas party footage, however.

The extras on LTGC sets, and most other cartoons sets, and most DVD sets in general, are usually interlaced. I don't know why, guess its cheaper somehow.

zavkram

10-22-2008, 03:05 PM

The interlacing didn't bother me much, though... it's really only noticeable if you're watching on a PC monitor and you freeze-frame the action. On a regular TV it's not noticeable at all.

Treadwell

10-22-2008, 03:19 PM

If an extra contains any interviews or anything else shot recently, then the entire featurette will be interlaced, interviews and clips and all, because that's how the footage was shot.

thebiach

10-22-2008, 04:00 PM

Glowworm

10-22-2008, 04:02 PM

Just picked mine up today at Best Buy-it came with a little pocket version of Jerry Beck's Looney Tunes-the Ultimate Visual Guide.

The restoration of "Crowing Pains" is gorgeous, and "The Hole Idea" and "The Oily American" are just as bright and colorful-not to mention still hillarious. Just for fun I watched "Bosko's Picture Show" subtitled to see what that "uncertain" word would be deciphered as. It showed up as "That dirty fox!" Trust me-I did not hear that word as "fox".:D

speedy fast

10-22-2008, 05:27 PM

Watching Crowing Pains with the original titles makes me wonder, where there any other Blue Ribbon cartoons that originally had action during the titles, or even before the credits? Such a mystery...

whitsbrain

10-22-2008, 08:18 PM

Boy Wonder

10-22-2008, 08:30 PM

The Best Buy around me opens on Saturday, so I'll be hitting that up for sure! From what I've seen, this looks AWESOME!

Jon Cooke

10-22-2008, 09:36 PM

In "Hollywood Canine Canteen", who is the "if skunks had a college, it must be P.U." guy that Kay Kyser introduces? I could ID everybody else.

Matt the Y

10-22-2008, 09:52 PM

In "Hollywood Canine Canteen", who is the "if skunks had a college, it must be P.U." guy that Kay Kyser introduces? I could ID everybody else.

Isn't is Ishkabibble (sp?)? Kay(nine) Kyser introduces him as "Ishkapoodle" so I'm guessing that's who it's intended to be.

Glowworm

10-22-2008, 10:04 PM

Got my copy on "Opening Day" yesterday at Best Buy. I watched "Fresh Airedale" and "Chow Hound" for the first time. I enjoyed both cartoons and I'm sure this has been covered before but the ending of "Fresh Airedale" shocked me in that the cat didn't end up the hero.

Yes, I was hoping that that cat was going to pounce upon Shep's sorry butt. I'm probably not going to be touching that horrible cartoon for a long time. The strange part is I vaguely remember hearing some of that cut out war dialogue myself-and I only saw it all the way through once.

doctorjpw

10-22-2008, 10:26 PM

this was disappointing how they included such non truths as:

-Mel claiming it was his idea to give Porky the stutter and shows how he came up with it, right after they mention his first role was a supporting role in a Porky cartoon!!

-Mel claims it was he who told Leon Schlesinger they should name this phenomenal new rabbit character after the man who created him, Bugs Hardaway...

-the documentary says Mel stayed busy at other cartoon studios while he was working for WB...including voicing Gideon the Cat in Pinocchio (no mention that the voice was not used) and Woody Woodpecker (no mention that it was for only four shorts)..they even give him credit as the voice of Tom & Jerry!!!

-no mention of the fact that the sound effects department sped up his voice, or changed the pitch or altered the recordings for certain characters...Mel's recreations of Porky, Pepe and Speedy Gonzales in the documentary are horrible!!!

-no mention of how he was kind of a jerk in relation to not letting others like Arthur Q Bryan, June Foray, Stan Freberg, etc. get screen credit...they appear in the documentary to say how talented he was, how generous, etc...

-they persist in saying that Mel did the voice for the Roadrunner...when Martha Sigall says in her book it was a recording of Treg Brown (I think?) that they thought was funny because he used to always say Beep Beep when he was coming throught the narrow hallways...

I haven't seen the documentary yet, but some of these things seem rather petty while others are just plain off the mark.

-I'm assuming the on-screen voice recreations you deem "horrible" were recorded in the 70's or 80's, when Mel himself was old enough for the Senior discount. Yes, his voice faded as the years went on, but that has nothing to do with whether the voices were sped up or not. It's just the passage of time.

-Mel getting voice credit and Freberg, Foray, et al not getting it does not mean that Mel Blanc was a "jerk." Mel Blanc got an exclusive on-screen credit from Leon Schlesinger as an alernative to a raise. (And, as if this needs to be said, he deserved both or more.)

-Although it is true that Mel did not originate the Porky Pig CHARACTER, it can be fairly said that the original Porky voice (provided without any real characterization by an actor who really stuttered) and Mel's Porky (a unique vocal creation) share nothing but the stutter. So in that aspect Mel really did create a Porky voice from scratch. The whole story about spending time with pigs, turning a pig's grunt into a stutter...that was basically crafted for TV interviews and other press inquiries.

nickramer

10-22-2008, 10:36 PM

-the documentary says Mel stayed busy at other cartoon studios while he was working for WB...including voicing Gideon the Cat in Pinocchio (no mention that the voice was not used) and Woody Woodpecker (no mention that it was for only four shorts)..they even give him credit as the voice of Tom & Jerry!!!

Actually, Blanc did do Tom and Jerry (or rather the grunts, screams chuckles and anything else but speaking, of course) in the Chuck Jones cartoons of 1960's.

Jon Cooke

10-23-2008, 12:11 AM

Isn't is Ishkabibble (sp?)? Kay(nine) Kyser introduces him as "Ishkapoodle" so I'm guessing that's who it's intended to be.

That's it! Thanks, Matt. :daffy:

Bradskey

10-23-2008, 01:03 AM

Got this yesterday thanks to my Amazon preorder but I actually just started watching it today. Watched the whole first disk (lots of funny cartoons -- great selection!) and several from disk 3. The black and whites on this set are more interesting to me than those on the last set. They're really from a completely different era, mutual lack of color notwithstanding.

I really like the selection on disk 3. Although these type cartoons aren't as laugh-out-loud funny as the disk 1 material, they do have several amusing, even some really funny moments and I enjoyed watching them. I appreciate the inclusion of the 3rd Foxy cartoon, as I didn't have it already, and the non-censored Piggy cartoon, since I haven't seen either one. The Piggy cartoon was one of the better ones from this era. They also included at least one Bosko I didn't already have in the Uncensored Bosko: namely Bosko in Person. And while Buddy is purported to be rather bland as a character, I thought Buddy's Beer Garden was a pretty good cartoon, although finding out the Mae West character is really Buddy in drag at the end was a tad disturbing.

I really wonder why they didn't include one or two of the Goopy Geer cartoons to completley represent the early characters, especially since they included the very obscure Piggy? I easily could have done without "We're in the Money", although I guess its appropriate to represent early one-off Merrie Melodies after the characters were nixed.

zavkram

10-23-2008, 03:48 AM

this was disappointing how they included such non truths as:
-they persist in saying that Mel did the voice for the Roadrunner...when Martha Sigall says in her book it was a recording of Treg Brown (I think?) that they thought was funny because he used to always say Beep Beep when he was coming throught the narrow hallways...

Actually it was background artist Paul Julian who originated the voice of the Road-Runner. The story goes that whenever he was walking through the corridors of Termite Terrace, he would often make a "Meep-Meep" sound as he was turning the corner; just to let folks know he was approaching.

The story that Blanc tells in his autobiography, That's Not All, Folks! is colorful but completely false: According to Blanc the sound of the Road-Runner in Fast and Furryous (1949) was originally made by Treg Brown, using an electronic horn called a Claxon. Somehow during the interval between the very first Road-Runner cartoon and the second one, Beep Beep, the device had been misplaced and Brown supposedly asked Blanc if he could mimic it during the recording session.

Sean Gaffney

10-23-2008, 05:43 AM

Jon Cooke

10-23-2008, 06:29 AM

I do note that while The Weakly Reporter looks very well restored and shiny, sadly Jerry was unable to do anything about it being one of the most boring cartoons WB ever produced. If only restoration could add better topical gags! ;)

Believe it or not, "The Weakly Reporter" (and "Rookie Revue") made it onto the Spotlight Collection this year. Kids love those ration book jokes! :p

bjimba

10-23-2008, 07:42 AM

Would it have killed them to use the original title for "A Connecticut Rabbit in King Arthur's Court"? The Mark Twain plaguarism joke in the credits falls rather flat with the rename.

Pig Related

10-23-2008, 07:48 AM

Could anyone check if this set is region free like the previous ones were? I'll probably get it anyway, but it would really come in handy if it's region free. Thanks in advance.

speedy fast

10-23-2008, 08:41 AM

In the Mel Blanc documentary, there is a clip of Mel Blanc with his characters. Does anybody know where this clip is from? It looks like it's from the 1970s.

Glowworm

10-23-2008, 09:11 AM

I do note that while The Weakly Reporter looks very well restored and shiny, sadly Jerry was unable to do anything about it being one of the most boring cartoons WB ever produced. If only restoration could add better topical gags! ;)

It's not neccessarily boring-it's just a tad bit confusing for me with all the topical references. Why are the burglars stealing an alarm clock? What's with the lady paying for the meat just so she can smell it?Is that a depression joke that meat was so costly during wwII that it even cost you to smell it? I also was a tad confused about the part with the foreign lady wanting steaks-I'm guessing the U.S. wasn't suppose to sell them out of the country?

speedy fast

10-23-2008, 09:56 AM

I just watched Bugs Bunny in King Arthurs Court, and that was better than I'd expected. It seems odd that for something directed by Chuck Jones in the late 1960s, Daffy didn't seem to have any kind of hatred for Bugs. He also didn't seem upset when Bugs took over as king. In fact, in the first roudntable scene, Yosimite Sam seems to be acting a bit like Daffy. And what was up with Yosimite Sam being drawn without hair in this special?

Lights Fantastic and Hollywood Canine Canteen were both really good shorts that I don't ever remember seeing. Were either short particularly rare, or could they have just not been shown whenever I watched Looney Tunes on TV? Hollywood Canine Canteen didn't seem very offensive, but I guess if it was shown on TV, the chinese gags were probably cut. That one scene in Lights Fantastic, I don't know how to describe it, but where several artistic patterns are shown, ending with "eat at joes", it looks a lot like it could have been a Sesame Street segment.

I watched The Captain's Christmas in the bonus features, and it isn't too bad, though the quality looks like a public domain cartoon. I've also watched all three Buddy cartoons, and they weren't boring to me. I think somebody said that these are three of the best Buddy cartoons. It's a shame (perhaps) that the disc couldn't have included any of the boring Buddy cartoons.

So far I've watched Norman Normal the most, and it got me thinking, while this cartoon is really good, I have a feeling that it would be boring to a child. And Norman sounds a bit like Garfield.

Speedy Boris

10-23-2008, 09:57 AM

I thought Weakly Reporter was OK, though I agree a couple of the gags are a bit confusing if you don't know the context of the war situation. I've certainly seen worse spot gag cartoons, though ("Believe it or Else", anyone?).

Well, starting on the Bosko & Buddy disc tonight. Wish me luck. j/k But seriously, if nothing else, at least these cartoons have good music.

EDIT: More GC vol. 6 thoughts: http://forums.toonzone.net/showpost.php?p=3028493&postcount=19

Greg Method

10-23-2008, 11:08 AM

I just watched Bugs Bunny in King Arthurs Court, and that was better than I'd expected. It seems odd that for something directed by Chuck Jones in the late 1960s...
1978, actually.

Geezil

10-23-2008, 11:21 AM

Beg pardon, but would anyone have a screenshot from that short with the squirrel battling the coconut? ;)

lonesome-lenny

10-23-2008, 11:59 AM

Could anyone check if this set is region free like the previous ones were?

My copy has a Region 1 symbol on the packaging. Hope that's helpful info.

zavkram

10-23-2008, 12:04 PM

Beg pardon, but would anyone have a screenshot from that short with the squirrel battling the coconut? ;)

Here are a couple from Much Ado About Nutting that I posted over at the Big Cartoon Forum...

http://forum.bcdb.com/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=6492;

http://forum.bcdb.com/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=6493;

For frame-grabs I use a software program called SnagIt, which I purchased from a company called TechSmith (http://www.techsmith.com/) for $60.00.

I had to copy and paste these, because the PNG file-size exceeds 100 kb.

Mark J

10-23-2008, 01:29 PM

It's not neccessarily boring-it's just a tad bit confusing for me with all the topical references. Why are the burglars stealing an alarm clock? What's with the lady paying for the meat just so she can smell it?Is that a depression joke that meat was so costly during wwII that it even cost you to smell it? I also was a tad confused about the part with the foreign lady wanting steaks-I'm guessing the U.S. wasn't suppose to sell them out of the country?

These are World War 2 ration gags, nothing to do with the Depression. The metal that was used for alarm clock bells was needed for weapons and alarm clocks were not available during the war. Meat was highly rationed during the war, very difficult to obtain. If you remember the Bugs toon Hare Conditioned (on LTGC 2) when he is playing elevator operator he rattles off a list of items ending 'and other picture post cards'. This list, including alarm clocks, is a list of items that were unavailable or highly rationed during the war, thus the post card gag because that is the only way you would see those items.

Pig Related

10-23-2008, 02:12 PM

My copy has a Region 1 symbol on the packaging. Hope that's helpful info.
So do my copies of LTGC vol. 3, 4 and 5, but they play fine on my region 2 DVD player. Same goes for the Animaniacs DVD sets (you can check the region of any DVD using DVD decrypter (http://www.dvddecrypter.org.uk/)).

But thank you for checking anyway!

zavkram

10-23-2008, 02:29 PM

The metal that was used for alarm clock bells was needed for weapons and alarm clocks were not available during the war.

How did people wake themselves up on time, then, I wonder? Did clocks with electric buzzers exist back then?

Glowworm

10-23-2008, 02:32 PM

These are World War 2 ration gags, nothing to do with the Depression. The metal that was used for alarm clock bells was needed for weapons and alarm clocks were not available during the war. Meat was highly rationed during the war, very difficult to obtain. If you remember the Bugs toon Hare Conditioned (on LTGC 2) when he is playing elevator operator he rattles off a list of items ending 'and other picture post cards'. This list, including alarm clocks, is a list of items that were unavailable or highly rationed during the war, thus the post card gag because that is the only way you would see those items.

Thank you very much. Those parts were the most confusing-I didn't even realize that gag in "Hare Conditioned" it always went straight over my head. Thanks again.

There was a cute part in "The Weakly Reporter" in which the factory suddenly runs down on its power. The repairman(a woman actually) runs over with her bag of tools-pulling out a bobby pin. She applies it to the machine and presto-everything is running smoothly once more.

speedy fast

10-23-2008, 03:45 PM

I noticed in the audio commentary for The Draft Horse, Greg Ford says that it isn't shown very often because of its wartime theme. I think it's more like, "The Draft Horse isn't shown on TV very often because Looney Tunes aren't shown on TV". Now, I don't know if the cartoon's scarcity is true. While I don't remember seeing it on TV, I didn't notice anything particularly offensive in the short. It didn't depict any germans, japanese, or italians. There were no references to Hitler or any other war enemies. At the end when the horse is being chased by cannons and army tanks, we don't actually see who is attacking the horse. So it could have been shown on TV. Other world war II cartoons that don't depict the war enemies (like Draftee Daffy and Falling Hare) were regularly shown on television.

And I think that disc 3 should have been titled Bosko and Friends, since only three Buddy cartoons were included and one non-Bosko/ non-Buddy Looney Tune was on there. I am stumped that neither character was represented in the bonus toons on that disc, and that of the two cartoons with commentary on that disc, neither had Bosko or Buddy. I hope that future Looney Tunes DVDs continue to have commentary and features.

Somebody mentioned that only a few of the bonus toons were restored. I noticed that clips from some appear in the trailer for this collection, and some people have commented that the back cover of the latest Spotlight Collection includes images from bonus cartoons which looked restored on the package images. Were the restored bonus cartoons the only ones shown in advertising and packaging art?

Duck Dodgers

10-23-2008, 04:34 PM

zavkram,
cannot see your pics. :confused:

Bugsmer

10-23-2008, 05:36 PM

I just got mine today. The first cartoon I watched was "Dog Gone South"--a cartoon that never seemed to air on Cartoon Network. When Charlie gets thrown off the plantation for the first time, he gets grass stains on his rear. I hadn't noticed them before, but the restoration clearly shows his green behind.

"Bear Feat" looks like a million bucks. This was another cartoon that never seemed to air on CN. I was watching these with my sister, and the three cartoons we've so far watched have had to be paused, rewound, paused and rewound at various times throughout the cartoons, because we couldn't stop laughing.

For anyone who hasn't purchased the set, I advise you to at least consider it. If you like cartoons, these are some of the best ever made.

Barb Herholzer

10-23-2008, 05:43 PM

I'll have to wait until Christmas for mine :(. So keep the comments coming! How does A CONNECTICUT RABBIT IN KING ARTHUR'S COURT look? Could anyone post some grabs from that? :bugs2:

sumnernor

10-23-2008, 05:58 PM

Could anyone check if this set is region free like the previous ones were? I'll probably get it anyway, but it would really come in handy if it's region free. Thanks in advance.
I am waiting for my copy to arrive. Hopefully it will arrive in a few days - it may get delayed by customs (:mad:)..

If anyone in R2 land gets it and sees Japanese on the screen - then it will be like the previous. One of my players I can set the region code and post the results.

zavkram

10-23-2008, 06:17 PM

zavkram,
cannot see your pics. :confused:

Which ones are you talking about, the last two? I can see them just fine... is anyone else here having trouble seeing them?

Daffysleftfoot

10-23-2008, 06:24 PM

My copy arrived today. From what I've watched so far, the only problem I've seen is that there's a tin-like sound to Sniffles Takes a Trip. Other than that, everything's been enjoyable thus far.

Duck Dodgers

10-23-2008, 06:59 PM

Which ones are you talking about, the last two? I can see them just fine... is anyone else here having trouble seeing them?

All of them.
Don't know why. I use Internet Explorer. Maybe it's the reason.....

Matthew Hunter

10-23-2008, 07:04 PM

The ones that have really amazed me restoration-wise are the post-48's, especially on disc 1, and the black and whites. For example, I had no idea of the "sunrise" lighting effects in the backgrounds at the opening to "Heaven Scent", or just how lush and green the grass and trees are in "Often an Orphan."

"You Don't Know What You're Doin'" and "Bosko in Person" really take the cake though, maybe I'll post some shots of these later tonight and show you what I mean. Absolutely incredible!

Sean Gaffney

10-23-2008, 07:49 PM

You Don't Know What You're Doin'! made my jaw literally drop during the last 2 minutes, the restoration was so stunning.

Snowpeck II

10-23-2008, 08:06 PM

So do my copies of LTGC vol. 3, 4 and 5, but they play fine on my region 2 DVD player. Same goes for the Animaniacs DVD sets (you can check the region of any DVD using DVD decrypter (http://www.dvddecrypter.org.uk/)).

But thank you for checking anyway!

I took a look at the discs... they aren't region free, but they will play in regions 1, 2, 3 and 4. (Close enough I would think.)

Greg

Lee Glover

10-23-2008, 08:38 PM

I received the set this morning (from movietyme.com). I plan to watch the entire set in the next few weeks (when I will have a week's vacation, a good time for a LT fest :D ), but I had a quick glance at all the contents, and I'm very much impressed, especially the great-looking restored B&W shorts on disc 3.

The "Chase"

10-23-2008, 08:51 PM

Well, just wrapped up the DVD a couple of minutes ago. If I had to describe this DVD in two words, it'll be this...

"Gweat stuff, Gweat stuff!"

Now, I could go on and on and on on this DVD, but I think you'll agree that if you're a major cartoon fan like me, you HAVE to buy this (but hey, I might post my thoughts if you guys want to heard them!)

Also, if you guys have any questions on the DVD, hey, I'm done with this DVD, just ask me, I'll be glad to help!

TheGreatOz

10-23-2008, 09:09 PM

I'm hoping the Bosko's Picture Show is the unedited version. Anyone screened it yet? I'll answer my own question, now that my copy has arrived: It's the -original- controversial version. :D

Leviathan

10-23-2008, 09:12 PM

Matthew Hunter

10-23-2008, 09:12 PM

Here are some shots from bits that impressed me...I tried to take some pics of stuff the rest of you haven't already posted. Get a load of the black and whites!

"Buddy's Beer Garden"
http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/beer.jpg
"Bosko in Person"
http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/boskoperson.jpg
"Chow Hound"
http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/chowhound.jpg

"Daffy The Commando"
http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/commando.jpg
"Congo Jazz"
http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/congo.jpg
"The Dish Ran Away With the Spoon"
http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/dish.jpg
"You Don't Know What You're Doin"
http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/doin.jpg
"My Little Duckaroo"
http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/duckaroo.jpg
"The Ducktators"
http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/ducktators.jpg
"Heir Conditioned"
http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/heir.jpg
"5th Column Mouse"
http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/mouse.jpg
"Much Ado About Nutting"
http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/nutting.jpg
"The Oily American"
http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/oily.jpg
"Often an Orphan"
http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/orphan.jpg
"Heaven Scent"
http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/scent.jpg
"Dog Gone South"
http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/south.jpg
"Hook, Line and Stinker"
http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/stinker.jpg

DDC

10-23-2008, 09:13 PM

All of them.
Don't know why. I use Internet Explorer. Maybe it's the reason.....

I can't see them either, and I also use Internet Explorer.

DDC

10-23-2008, 09:19 PM

Wow, I'm speechless...... Too bad that I'll have wait another 2-3 weeks for it to arrive:(

Leviathan

10-23-2008, 09:20 PM

Why is the picture for the Boskos and Buddys less grainy than the rest?

speedy fast

10-23-2008, 09:27 PM

Mark Kausler is convinced that the contested word is actually "mug" (and has a 35mm to back it up). I'm assuming the version on the DVD was remastered from a 35mm nitrate source. Does the restored sounrdtrack sound more like "mug" or that other word?

I only watched it on DVD once so far, but I thought it sounded like he said "that dirty buck!" Though "buck" doens't seem to make sense (since the character doesn't look like a male deer or a dollar).

Matthew Hunter

10-23-2008, 09:52 PM

Now the REAL fun: comparison shots! To the left, old screen shots of old VHS copies. To the right, new screen shots of the new Looney Tunes Golden Collection 6:

http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/comparison/comparison1.jpg

http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/comparison/comparison2.jpg

http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/comparison/comparison3.jpg

http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/comparison/comparison4.jpg

http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/comparison/comparison5.jpg

The "Chase"

10-23-2008, 09:54 PM

Matthew Hunter

10-23-2008, 10:38 PM

Here's one where I think they may have overdone it a little on the color sharpening. Hitler's uniform in "Russian Rhapsody" has gone from green to reddish brown...maybe that's what it's supposed to be, but it sure is jarring.

http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/comparison/comparison6.jpg

And here's a nice one of "Fifth Column Mouse".
http://toolooney.goldenagecartoons.com/images/ltgc6/comparison/comparison7.jpg

ScrewBallDaffy

10-24-2008, 12:20 AM

All of those Buddy and Bosko shorts are absolutely stunning. I can't wait to get this set. Ironically Vol. 6 will be my first Looney Tunes Golden Collection set. I'll be working my way down in Volumes heh.

J. J. Hunsecker

10-24-2008, 03:31 AM

Regarding the image comparisons that Matthew posted: it seems to me that the colors are a little too bright on the new DVD, especially the yellow spectrum. I appreciate the restoration that Warners has done, and overall the images are excellent -- sharper, more detailed, and better contrast than we've seen in years. I just wish they would tone the colors down a bit. The saturation and brightness hurts my eyes. Just my 2 cents.

J. J. Hunsecker

10-24-2008, 03:34 AM

Pig Related

10-24-2008, 05:27 AM

I took a look at the discs... they aren't region free, but they will play in regions 1, 2, 3 and 4. (Close enough I would think.)

Greg
Thank you very much. Close enough indeed. Now I really can't wait for the set to arrive.

vsonic

10-24-2008, 06:54 AM

Thad

10-24-2008, 07:28 AM

The Russian Rhapsody image is puzzling. I can't imagine that the red spectrum was that faded in the old prints on VHS and laserdisc, since the other colors match pretty closely with the DVD image. (Red added to green would make the brown color on Hitler's suit.) I always assumed that Hitler was wearing a military uniform in the cartoon, hence the green color.

*EDIT* Anyone have an IB tech print of the cartoon so we can confirm the actual color? Hmmm, Thad?

The oldest Warner short I have in IB Tech is "A Pest in the House", so I can't help you. But, I do think whatever DVD program Matthew is making his frame grabs from is pumping up the color alot. I do all of mine on PowerDVD with the 'original' color profile, and here's how it looks.

Dave Mackey

10-24-2008, 07:39 AM

Mark Kausler is convinced that the contested word is actually "mug" (and has a 35mm to back it up). I'm assuming the version on the DVD was remastered from a 35mm nitrate source. Does the restored sounrdtrack sound more like "mug" or that other word?

Bosko is saying exactly what Jerry Beck says he said, in that documentary on pre-code Hollywood.

zavkram

10-24-2008, 09:19 AM

Matthew, how have you been adding those pics to your posts? I checked the properties on one of them and noticed that it was approximately 196kb in size. I thought the size limit on uploaded images (gif, jpeg, png, etc.) here in the GAC Forums was only 100kb.

The pics that I've posted here thus far were simply copied and pasted from another website, in which I originally uploaded the images from my hard-drive. At least 2 people here have stated that they can't see them using IE7, which is also what I have for my internet browser.

zavkram

10-24-2008, 09:24 AM

I just wish they would tone the colors down a bit. The saturation and brightness hurts my eyes. Just my 2 cents.

Have you tried adjusting the color, tint, contrast and brightness controls on your TV or computer monitor; in order to reduce the saturation and brightness?

I have had to do this when viewing such DVD's as the older edition of How The Grinch Stole Christmas, in an attempt to get the Grinch looking the way he is supposed to look. In the newer edition, of course, the Grinch is the right shade of green.

Brandon Panther

10-24-2008, 11:06 AM

Have you tried adjusting the color, tint, contrast and brightness controls on your TV or computer monitor; in order to reduce the saturation and brightness?

Funny, I asked Stephen Worth that same question a few years ago. He then got mad at me for some reason....

Yeah, Adjusting your TV controls, or using a specific DVD product will make the images brighter than they really are. I remember when someone first posted pics of the remastered Gruesome Twosome, there was a small uproar about how Tweety's body was too "hot pink" or something, and then I saw the remastered cartoon myself and thought, "Err... no he's not. He's more flesh pink. I think whoever posted that image needs to fix their TV color settings."

Brandon Panther

10-24-2008, 11:35 AM

See for yourself. On the left is the initial screencap from the Volume 3 Talkback thread (with the color settings too bright), and on the right is a screenshot I took from my DVD with the color settings the way they should be.

gdX

10-24-2008, 01:54 PM

I do think whatever DVD program Matthew is making his frame grabs from is pumping up the color a lot.
See for yourself.
I think it is a mistake to scrutinize screen grabs too closely... none of these look like what I see on my TV (Panasonic CRT)... though Matthew's and Brandon's 'hotter' images are in the ballpark.

I'm confident that the shorts are being restored faithfully, if not exactly on the money... it's increasingly impossible to see actual Technicolor prints, but even if you see an Eastman print of of a Technicolor original LT at a theatre, you can't help but notice that they are vibrant to say the least... in the 40s, color movies were still relatively new and they often exaggerated the effect (Wizard of Oz, Gone With The Wind).

In any event, WB has access to source material, and we don't.

Another bit of evidence, if you can find it, would be production cels... I used to own a cel of Porky from Corny Concerto – his red coat and yellow tie would burn your retinas if you saw it in person... that same could be said of Bluto's blue uni on a cel setup I've seen from Popeye Meets Sindbad (which I think is part of the permanent collection at the SF Cartoon Art Museum).

If sometimes the color restorations seem jarring, it's because we've been viewing the cartoons – for decades – from incredibly worn and washed-out source prints... and partly because we've since been exposed to more carefully-crafted color nuance in motion pictures in general.

zavkram

10-24-2008, 06:05 PM

Another bit of evidence, if you can find it, would be production cels... I used to own a cel of Porky from Corny Concerto – his red coat and yellow tie would burn your retinas if you saw it in person... that same could be said of Bluto's blue uni on a cel setup I've seen from Popeye Meets Sindbad (which I think is part of the permanent collection at the SF Cartoon Art Museum).

As I understand it, the colors used on cels may not always reflect what is seen in the finished cartoon on-screen. For example, at the Disney Studio they realized at one point that certain shades of blue were photographing either lighter or darker than desired... therefore they devised a color chart which gave them an indication of how different colors and shades would actually look when photographed in Technicolor and adjusted the selection of paint colors accordingly.

I also remember someone saying that the color white was never photographed at its full-value; that is to say, pure white... because when photographed the lights used on the animation stand would make it too bright. Therefore what was done was to use different gray-tones to represent white on-screen.

Recently I was viewing my DVD copy of the Warner Bros. feature film, Jezebel... and I remember the commentator on that DVD mentioned that the color of the women's white gowns during the infamous ballroom scene were actually gray; again, because the studio lights would have accentuated the whiteness to an undesirable level.

Also, just to clarify... when I suggested adjusting the monitor/TV controls I was merely talking about reducing the levels just enough so that they don't appear as bright and over-saturated. Obviously, there are many variations in the way the cartoons will appear on different TV's and PC monitors (or even when projected onto a screen)... what may look too bright and saturated to one person will look just fine to another...

But, yes... I agree with the suggestion that we've become so accustomed to the look of the older TV versions of these cartoons that the restorations appear all the more jarring by comparison.

lonesome-lenny

10-24-2008, 07:02 PM

A couple more LTGC6 musings...

In <i>Russian Rhapsody</i>, it's worth noting that Hitler changes costumes. He's in green at the start, when he gives that incredible Bob McKimson-animated rant; then, when he heads for Moscow, he's switched to brown duds.

On that same disc, the triple-whammy of those educational/didactic shorts, BY WORD OF MOUSE/HEIR CONDITIONED/YANKEE DOOD IT is pretty hard to take. I can't believe those were released theatrically as "regular" WB cartoons. I shall not need to view those ever again, despite their lovely cartoon modern look.

It is bizarre that HOP AND GO (which is obviously transferred from a video source, complete with dropout lines and glitches during the opening credits) has its music track mixed so high. It doesn't impede the enjoyment of the cartoon, but it is off-putting.

Some dark day this winter, I shall be so bored that I will actually watch the MGM Captain and the Kids shorts that are the bonus on disc 2.

The restorations on the wartime cartoons is quite striking. Nothing can make <i>The Weakly Reporter</i> a good cartoon, but it's nice, I guess, that it's been restored...

gdX

10-24-2008, 07:31 PM

As I understand it, the colors used on cels may not always reflect what is seen in the finished cartoon on-screen. For example, at the Disney Studio... devised a color chart which gave them an indication of how different colors and shades would actually look when photographed in Technicolor and adjusted the selection of paint colors accordingly.Yup... but I think only Disney went to those extreme lengths, even though there is surviving art from other studios that shows backgrounds painted in various tints for earlier B&W shorts.

Again, they generally look fine to me... it doesn't seem right to adjust one's TV from program to program, but it never hurts to re-evaluate settings from time to time.

:ysam:

Matthew Hunter

10-24-2008, 09:17 PM

[QUOTE=lonesome-lenny;123517]A couple more LTGC6 musings...

On that same disc, the triple-whammy of those educational/didactic shorts, BY WORD OF MOUSE/HEIR CONDITIONED/YANKEE DOOD IT is pretty hard to take. I can't believe those were released theatrically as "regular" WB cartoons. I shall not need to view those ever again, despite their lovely cartoon modern look.
QUOTE]

Those are kind of heavy-handed in their "educational" approach, but you have to look at it this way: they are trying to explain some basic lessons that people 50 years later STILL aren't grasping! They're not so much funny ha-ha as "That's funny, it seems like a number of bankers and politicians these days haven't seen these...they should!" I was surprised in viewing these back-to-back again for the first time in a long while how well they hold up...unlike the largely dated wartime spoofs.

J. J. Hunsecker

10-24-2008, 09:19 PM

Have you tried adjusting the color, tint, contrast and brightness controls on your TV or computer monitor; in order to reduce the saturation and brightness?

I have had to do this when viewing such DVD's as the older edition of How The Grinch Stole Christmas, in an attempt to get the Grinch looking the way he is supposed to look. In the newer edition, of course, the Grinch is the right shade of green.
I turn the color down when I view the remastered WB cartoons on DVD. Even then some colors, usually in the yellow spectrum, appear too bright. I don't usually see this kind of color saturation when I view other cartoons on DVD, so I'm assuming it's just the Golden Collections.

*EDIT* Let me just add that overall I'm happy with the restorations of these DVDs. I'm not knocking Warners.

Speedy Boris

10-24-2008, 09:25 PM

Matthew Hunter

10-24-2008, 09:30 PM

J. J. Hunsecker

10-24-2008, 09:33 PM

As I understand it, the colors used on cels may not always reflect what is seen in the finished cartoon on-screen. For example, at the Disney Studio they realized at one point that certain shades of blue were photographing either lighter or darker than desired... therefore they devised a color chart which gave them an indication of how different colors and shades would actually look when photographed in Technicolor and adjusted the selection of paint colors accordingly.
Sometimes there'd also be several cel layers, which when placed on top of each other would gray down the original paint color. Not to mention that the whole set up was place under a piece of glass that held the cels down. So using an original cel for reference might not help with restoring a DVD.

The "Chase"

10-24-2008, 09:34 PM

So just got done watching the Leon Schlesinger reel... anyone care to identify all the people on-camera during the "Wishing a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year" part? I think I spotted McKimson and Freleng, but I'm clueless on the rest.

You know Speddy, it's probably a good time to turn on the commertary to find the answer to our little $600 million question. ;)

But I can can tell you a couple. Sid Sutherland is one of them. Ray Katz is also there. And, of course, Leon himself, but, like I said, turn on the commertary, Martha will tell you who they are (including the whole dang thing!).

Edit: Dang, Matthew always get the fun!

Speedy Boris

10-24-2008, 09:41 PM

Try it with Martha Sigall's commentary. She identifies everybody! D'oh, didn't see a commentary there. I'll check that out.

Good Mel Blanc doc, too. I'm glad they brought up the 1961 car crash, because IIRC they didn't in any of the featurettes from previous volumes.

LTS

10-24-2008, 10:27 PM

My set arrived in the country last night (friday night australian time), which actually sucks as i couldnt pick it up today at DHL, sunday they're closed, so i'll get it delivered on monday. It sucks because the plane couldnt have gone quicker and arrived on friday morning. :p

Chooch

10-25-2008, 12:41 AM

Good Mel Blanc doc, too. I'm glad they brought up the 1961 car crash, because IIRC they didn't in any of the featurettes from previous volumes.

Yes, this is an excellent and very entertaining doc, despite Mel's exxagerations.:tweety:

When I heard on the commentary that Jack Benny had visted Mel every day during his lengthy recovery period, jeeze I really broke up bawling. What a great friendship these two of the funniest people in show biz, at that time (or any other time for that matter) enjoyed.

J Lee

10-25-2008, 02:30 AM

The nicest plus so far that I've seen is a little bit of restored animation on "Meet John Doughboy" that was missing from the prints normally in circulation. It would have been nice if there had been a few more commentaries (can't believe they missed the chance to go over the H-I/Schlesinger change-over and J.L.'s problems with Tom Palmer's cartoons that led to Friz's return to Warners on "Buddy's Day Out"), and if they had done one more exerpt from the linking segments of "The Bugs Bunny Show", but since Warners apparently does plan to release the two seasons on their own, and after GC v6, how they're going to handle the future cartoon releases is up in the air, I can understand why there was a bit more ugency here to cram as many shorts as possible into this set

Dave Mackey

10-25-2008, 06:50 AM

Can anyone post a complete list of the Blue Ribbons with restored titles on this set? I'll be getting it either this weekend or next week.
The only pre-48 with restored titles is "Crowing Pains." There are three post-48 BR's that now have their original title sequences and production numbers: "It's Hummer Time", "Dog Gone South", and "Bear Feat".

Jon Cooke

10-25-2008, 08:16 AM

The nicest plus so far that I've seen is a little bit of restored animation on "Meet John Doughboy" that was missing from the prints normally in circulation.

What bit is that? Just curious.

Brandon Panther

10-25-2008, 11:36 AM

What bit is that? Just curious.
I'm guessing it's either the Oil Tower gag , or the scene that follows the Jack Benny gag.

"Tanks--"
*cut*

Jack G.

10-25-2008, 11:47 AM

Got mine. No major comments yet.

I did notice some digital noise in Heir Conditioned (in the scene that has been posted above.

Kevenz

10-25-2008, 11:59 AM

^oh comme on, are you guys watching the cartoons? or it's a quest to find any little things that aren't perfect? :p

Bugsmer

10-25-2008, 12:35 PM

I just listened to the commentary for "Herr Meets Hare". Greg Ford refers to this cartoon as a missing piece of cartoon history, since it rarely comes on TV at all. This left me to wonder how he'd respond to "Angel Puss" coming on DVD, a cartoon that hasn't been in a faithful rotation on the major networks since the sixties, and not popular enough to gain instant recognition over the Internet and abroad, like "Coal Black". Even more obscure are many of the one-shot Harmon-Ising cartoons from both Warners and MGM. This new volume is filled with obscure cartoons, including favourites like "Chow Hound" and "It's Hummer Time" which are never popular enough to group with the likes of the shorts starring the major characters, but are nonetheless endearing and funny enough to be remembered fondly.

Looking at the restored version of "Daffy The Commando", I was again struck by the scene immediately following Daffy and von Vulture's meeting inside the command centre. Although an explosion occurs, Shcultz gets the brunt of the blast, and von Vulture looks as good as he did a moment before, yet in the succeeding scene, his whole face is blackened as if he had a bomb go off in his face. He remains this way for some time until it eventually fades away. It rather makes one wonder what kind of scene was planned and eventually excised from the storyboards, or, more likely, the negatives by censors.

Some of the really early cartoons look superb. Each frame looks like it was freshly painted by the world's best paint, and the sound sounds a lot better than it has for a long time. I feared that these shorts would look the worst due to their age, but on the contrary, some of these look brand new.

Oh, and Bosko does not say, "fox", despite what the subtitles may infer.

Barb Herholzer

10-25-2008, 12:39 PM

CueBallCat79

10-25-2008, 01:17 PM

^oh comme on, are you guys watching the cartoons? or it's a quest to find any little things that aren't perfect? :p

What, is this your first day on the internet? :p

J Lee

10-25-2008, 01:17 PM

I'm guessing it's either the Oil Tower gag , or the scene that follows the Jack Benny gag.

"Tanks--"
*cut*

You are correct, absolutely correct! ;)

Vdubdavid

10-25-2008, 02:23 PM

You are correct, absolutely correct! ;)

Wait, which is correct, Jack Benny or the RKO Radio tower?

Thad

10-25-2008, 02:57 PM

I'd really like to see a few frame grabs of A CONNECTICUT RABBIT IN KING ARTHUR'S COURT. If someone who has the ability to do so would do so, I would be much obliged! (I'm not getting this until Christmas...)

Here's a few. It's in the same condition as the VHS release (minus the "we'll return to..." bumpers). Not a horrible special, but not a very good one.

Studio Toledo

10-25-2008, 04:01 PM

Thank you very much. Those parts were the most confusing-I didn't even realize that gag in "Hare Conditioned" it always went straight over my head. Thanks again.
I sorta wonder if I should use "picture postcards" as a catchphrase to describe things I have not had in my lifetime? :D

There was a cute part in "The Weakly Reporter" in which the factory suddenly runs down on its power. The repairman(a woman actually) runs over with her bag of tools-pulling out a bobby pin. She applies it to the machine and presto-everything is running smoothly once more.
The kind of thing I want to see used more in anime!

speedy fast

10-26-2008, 08:22 AM

One thing I've noticed about this set is that quite a few of the cartoons (Satan's Waitin', the end gags to The Hole Idea and Now Hear This) have depictions of the devel. I don't know i this might have been intended (as halloween is coming up). I've also noticed that quite a few of the cartoons on this set do not end with iris-outs,

Duck Dodgers

10-26-2008, 08:43 AM

This set is amazing!
I reiterate it: don't wait till Xmas and let WB know NOW that you'd love them to continue in the release of the LTGCs!;) ;)

Barb Herholzer

10-26-2008, 09:21 AM

Here's a few. It's in the same condition as the VHS release (minus the "we'll return to..." bumpers). Not a horrible special, but not a very good one.
Thanks Thad for posting these. It's pretty much what I expected, quality-wise.

Lynn

10-26-2008, 12:49 PM

Joe H

10-26-2008, 01:31 PM

The "Chase"

10-26-2008, 01:36 PM

I'm not sure if this is old news or not, but did anyone notice a near-topless pinup poster in the background of the headquarters of von Vulture after he sends Schultz out near the beginning of the cartoon "Daffy the Commando"? Seemed like something that slipped by the Hayes office.

I did (keh keh).

Also, did anyone noticed the nipples were actually green? Someone (probably a male) wasn't wide awake, if you know what I mean.

Thad

10-26-2008, 02:15 PM

Those are green stickers over her titties. Strippers tend to wear them to entice.

The "Chase"

10-26-2008, 02:21 PM

Those are green stickers over her titties. Strippers tend to wear them to entice.

Oh, thanks for that. This is what happends when you don't go out of the house that much. Besides, I never noticed those stickers at the crappy PD tapes I have and had!

Mark J

10-26-2008, 03:50 PM

They call them Pasties - and I think it is quite obvious even on the PD Digiview print.

LTS

10-26-2008, 08:28 PM

I checked on the DHL website and Amazon.com and my package says "with delivery courier" it has had that status for the past 3 hours so any minute now. :D

J Lee

10-26-2008, 09:09 PM

I have experienced issues with Yankee Dood. When played on two different lap tops the short freezes. When played on a DVD player the short will play but the image keeps breaking up. Since I have not seen comments regarding this issue I assume the problem is isolated and not systemic.

Noticed the same problem on mine last night as far as the player not reading the video image and holding the last image as a still while the audio plays, until it gets to a point on the disc where the data reads again. Though that may be based on the type of redundancy built into the player (20 years ago I had a second-generation Sony portable CD player that had the same problem with some audio CDs while my home player didn't, because it used a three-laser system while the D-10 had only one laser going inside).

Brandon Panther

10-26-2008, 09:26 PM

Dave Mackey

10-26-2008, 09:54 PM

USELESS OBSERVATION: At the start of the Mel Blanc documentary when they're talking about Dead Man's Curve, the shot of the the word "STOP" on the road is lifted from the B-movie flick "The Brain That Wouldn't Die".
All those scenes of the crash and ambulance looked fake, like an "E! True Hollywood Story" recreation.

But I did like the pictures of Mel doing voice sessions in his recovery bed with Joe Barbera.

Speedy Boris

10-26-2008, 09:54 PM

USELESS OBSERVATION: At the start of the Mel Blanc documentary when they're talking about Dead Man's Curve, the shot of the the word "STOP" on the road is lifted from the B-movie flick "The Brain That Wouldn't Die". Other useless observation: The documentary used a lot of Associated Production Music, and many of the tracks used were also used in Ren & Stimpy.

nickramer

10-26-2008, 10:12 PM

Speaking of the Mel Blanc documentary, anyone else notice the picture of Mel standing in front of the storyboards for an unfinished Sylvester and Tweety short that would take place in a jungle?

LTS

10-26-2008, 10:43 PM

ITS HERE, ITS HERE. :bugs2: :daffy: :tweety: :sylvester :ysam: :shame: :speedy: :befuddled

Chooch

10-26-2008, 11:30 PM

Wow! After viewing Bear Feat, I was amazed to learn that the newspaper strip, Bugs Bunny Comics, actually predated Bugs' animated debut in A Wild Hare by 12 years! (1928-1940)

And the 1928 version of Bugs looked very Moderne, as well. Nothing at all like his Mickey/Felix contemporaries. :mickey: :bugs2: :felix:

Keith Paynter

10-26-2008, 11:37 PM

USELESS OBSERVATION: At the start of the Mel Blanc documentary when they're talking about Dead Man's Curve, the shot of the the word "STOP" on the road is lifted from the B-movie flick "The Brain That Wouldn't Die".

Well, it's as authentic to the event as all the audio from combat footage from Ken Burns' The War (which was of course originally shot without audio, and, to some degree, used unrelated event footage). You gotta illustrate the story somehow...

Actually, I will give the company that produced the Blanc documentary total props, as I think it was the best special feature on any of the Looney Tunes sets, which also in some perverted way makes up for the work on their Snafu piece, IMO.

All in all, it's been a great ride. I am having a hard time watching my GALT laserdisc sets and other MGM/UA discs these days, comparing what tape masters they had against the Warner DVD's. I am surprised that no one yet has raised DVNR issues the likes of the Droopy set had.

If I have the patience, I have to do a 4-way comparison of the various video releases for Fifth Column Mouse...
1) B&D Wartime Cartoons
2) GALT (with new soundtrack copyright notice burned in on video at the end)
3) Air Force DVD (unrestored, first DVD appearance)
4) LTGC restored version

J. B. Warner

10-26-2008, 11:37 PM

Brandon Panther

10-27-2008, 01:36 AM

"Ah, the road is attacking me!"

...Sorry, MST3K fan.
No apologies necessary. I'm a MSTie too.

millsie

10-27-2008, 08:48 AM

ITS HERE, ITS HERE. :bugs2: :daffy: :tweety: :sylvester :ysam: :shame: :speedy: :befuddled
I'm still waiting for my copy. I have a feeling it should arrive in the next couple of days.

Brandon Panther

10-27-2008, 11:37 AM

2 additional comments about the Mel Blanc documentary:

It's clear that WB is still chickenpoop about displaying the dates that the cartoons were released. Note that they'd show the dates for other shows Mel Blanc appeared on, but not for the cartoons.

I think Jon Cooke and Matthew Hunter should revise the Looney Tunes checklist, and display the dates for the cartoons, not just to help out Looney Tunes fans, but to completely p'wn Warner Bros.

Also, about the woman in the documentary Sophia Sprock, who was apparently an assitant for Mel. Was she 3 years old when she assisted Mel? She sure looks suspiciously young (not to mention a tad drunk during her interview spots).

speedy fast

10-27-2008, 12:02 PM

Is it just me, or does it seem like the cartoons on each disc are trying to be displayed in cronological order, despite not listing the dates? I know that the cartoons aren't presented 100 percent chronologically, as the first two discs both begin with Bugs Bunny cartoons (a rule, perhaps?), the third cartoon on disc 2 is a Bosko cartoon (the first two obviously made after Harman and Ising left), and I think there is another Bosko cartoon or two on disc 3 after Bosko's Picture Show (which we know is the last WB Bosko cartoon).

But still, aside from those, the cartoons seem to be in chronological order. Norman Normal is the last cartoon on disc 4, and that's the only post-1964 cartoon on the whole set. The last four cartoons on disc 3 are three Buddy cartoons (and the only ones on this set) and then one Beans cartoon, all made after Harman and Ising left. I think all of the bonus cartoons are shown in chronological order on each disc (disc 1 has two pre-1948 cartoons and then two post-1948 cartoons, though I'm not sure whetehr Rabbit Rampage came before or after Boyhood Daze, though I know that RR was released in 1955).

Finally, I must say that the Friz Freling MGM cartoons are better than I'd expected. I still haven't watched all of them (just a few Captain and the Kids cartoons, so I don't know whether some non-Captain and the Kids shorts are included here). I didn't have much desire to see these shorts, and I wouldn't rank them among the best MGM cartoons (I don't care for too many, aside from Red Hot Riding Hood and a few others) or Friz Freling's best, and I still would have rather had a "Harman-Ising at MGM" feature, but these cartoons are good.

frogboxer

10-27-2008, 02:17 PM

On a different topic: I was watching Disc 2 just now and I noticed that, according to the DVD case, there is supposed to be a spoken commentary by Jerry Beck for Fifth Column Mouse. When I looked for a commentary icon and a listing for that commentary on the disc menus, however, I couldn't find either... Was this just a typo on the DVD case, or was there an actual commentary for this cartoon and for some reason it was left out at the very last moment?
I noticed this, too. Does anyone know why the commentary is missing? :confused:

Jon Cooke

10-27-2008, 02:22 PM

Just in case anyone missed the earlier posting, GAC is having a giveaway for Golden Collection (and Spotlight Collection), Vol. 6. Enter our Merrie Memories Contest (http://forums.goldenagecartoons.com/showthread.php?t=12053) today! :sylvester

Leviathan

10-27-2008, 03:16 PM

Jerry Beck left this comment (http://mayersononanimation.blogspot.com/2008/10/last-hurrah.html)on Mark Mayerson's blog

Thanks for the review, Mark.

You said "My guess (and fear) is that we'll be inundated with no-frills sets devoted to the most famous Warner characters, leaving the lesser-known cartoons to languish in obscurity."

Truth be told, Warner cancelled the Golden Collection series last year, after reviewing sales of Vol. 5. George Feltenstein (Warner Home Video Sr. VP of Catalog) and I lobbied for one more set to get the lesser known more obscure material out there before the vault doors were completely shut. The Bosko, Buddy, propaganda and one-shot shorts on this set were selected intentionally. We might never have this chance again.

I sleep better knowing PAGE MISS GLORY, BOSKO'S PICTURE SHOW, RUSSIAN RHAPSODY -- and even NORMAN NORMAL -- amongst others included here, are restored.

If the sales are better than expected, the Golden Collections could possibly continue. So tell all your friends to buy it!

In the meantime, Warners is still restoring the library, 60 cartoons a year, and we are working to configure new packages to release on a regular basis.

The situation is altogether grim (If Volume 5 sold poorly enough for Warner to cancel the series, then I don't even want to THINK about how Warner is going to react to Volume 6's sales). Focusing on the recurring characters will definitely be a step in the right direction.

Speedy Boris

10-27-2008, 03:58 PM

Wow, looks like we were lucky to even get vol. 6!

That said, as long as they'll keep being restored and coming to DVD, I don't really mind if they may not be released under the Golden Collection banner.

Jon Cooke

10-27-2008, 03:58 PM

Jerry Beck left this comment (http://mayersononanimation.blogspot.com/2008/10/last-hurrah.html)on Mark Mayerson's blog

The situation is altogether grim (If Volume 5 sold poorly enough for Warner to cancel the series, then I don't even want to THINK about how Warner is going to react to Volume 6's sales). Focusing on the recurring characters will definitely be a step in the right direction.

I had a feeling that Volume 6's selections were a "it's now or never to release these cartoons" situation. At this point, as long as WB is still committed to restoring the cartoons and doesn't plan to "double dip", I am fine with them finding new ways to package the shorts onto DVD. I even have no issues with them focusing on the regular cast of characters. Bring on more Bugs, Tweety, Foghorn, etc!

tristar

10-27-2008, 04:59 PM

A great review by our own Thad Komorowski: http://thadkomorowski.com/looney-tunes-golden-collection-volume-six/
The sad news for me is that I still haven't gotten it yet.:(

Duck Dodgers

10-27-2008, 06:16 PM

Can't believe the fifth volume did not sell well.
I think the "troubles" started with the fourth one, which did not appeal the majority of the people.
Jerry's words confirm my theory that you'll have to buy this set now and not wait till xmas.
You can anticipate your Xmas present and buy this. For Christmas you'll get nothing because you'll have already had your present:p
It's the best way to support the release of future quality sets like the GCs!

Leviathan

10-27-2008, 06:33 PM

I've already got my set. I should start writing a review for it.

I really think #3 was the beginning of the end, since that was the first time the obscure cartoon outnumbered the popular ones in number. We really needed more Foghorns, Tweetys, Road Runners, Pepes, etc. to make the sets more palatable to people who don't care for Merrie Melodies or Bosko.

speedy fast

10-27-2008, 06:53 PM

I really think #3 was the beginning of the end, since that was the first time the obscure cartoon outnumbered the popular ones in number. We really needed more Foghorns, Tweetys, Road Runners, Pepes, etc. to make the sets more palatable to people who don't care for Merrie Melodies or Bosko.

But the packaging didn't list what cartoons were included, so unless a casual fan looked it up online (and I don't know how often casual fans get online to read about Looney Tunes), they wouldn't really know what the contents are until they purchased the set.

ohmahaaha

10-27-2008, 07:17 PM

I was on vacation for a week & my set was waiting for me when I got home!! Haven't watched any of it yet, but right now let me say that this one might be my favorite package of the series for the artwork on the cover ... I really like the Wartime "lobby cards" printed on the inside cover. Very nicely done IMO.

Brandon Panther

10-27-2008, 07:30 PM

Are the spotlight collections more popular? Maybe casual fans have been purchasing those since they're cheaper. Or maybe it's that "adult" warning that has driven some folks away.

Joe H

10-27-2008, 07:34 PM

But the packaging didn't list what cartoons were included, so unless a casual fan looked it up online (and I don't know how often casual fans get online to read about Looney Tunes), they wouldn't really know what the contents are until they purchased the set.

Very true, and I doubt sites like Amazon add up all that much. I think it's more a combination of the fairly large price tag and that we are dealing with later volumes, which typically sell less to casual buyers in favor of trying out the first sets.

speedy fast

10-27-2008, 07:42 PM

I am glad that Jerry Beck posted info about how we almost didn't get a volume 6. I had been wondering for the last few days how long he knew that volume 6 could be the last one.

Kevenz

10-27-2008, 11:39 PM

What, is this your first day on the internet? :p

I wish it was to be honest, waisted too much years of my life here :P

I just find it funny some people screams "oh no the t-shirt is not the same color from vhs to dvd"

Jeez...

speedy fast

10-28-2008, 10:41 PM

I just started thinking: The sales of volume 5 almost prevented volume 6 from happening. Do you think the announcement that volume 6 would be the last one was made to motivate us into buying the sets as soon as possible, to possibly encourage Warner to reconsider? That is one of the reasons why, for the first time ever, I bought a Golden Collection on the day it came out, and didn't wait until after christmas (the other reason was because of discs 2 and 3).

It's been confirmed that Warner still plans on restoring 60 cartoons a year. I don't know if we'll get four single-disc releases, two 2-disc releases, a 3-disc release and then a single-disc one, or something else (I'll be surprised if a 4-disc non-Golden Collection is planned).

Whatever kind of releases we get, maybe we should pay attention to the disc contents, and see if we can figure out whether the contents are planned as if the next releases are Golden Collections, in the event that Warner changes its mind and releases a volume 7.

LTS

10-28-2008, 11:36 PM

I've watched disc 1 + Herr Meets Hare. Incredible so far.

Patrick McCart

10-28-2008, 11:49 PM

Watched half of the Patriotic Pals disc and it's great to see more of the WWII cartoons. The Ducktators is a terrific short! I also skimmed a few minutes of the Bosko/Buddy disc. It's shocking to see them look and sound so good.

As for the bonus shorts, it's a little of a let down to see old masters for some, but it's better than nothing. I'm surprised that the ones that were restored (like Bartholomew vs. the Wheel and Rabbit Rampage) were put there instead of the main program.

Bugsy-Kun

10-29-2008, 08:32 AM

In my local stores, i see many Golden Collection copies and nothing for the Spotlight. I guess they have much hearts about the Golden Collection even for a expensive price. :rolleyes:

Geezil

10-29-2008, 12:33 PM

I'm in the midst of doing some comparison pricing online (right now, there are some nice deals available on this set, as well as on the Popeye Vol. 3 pre-order), and should be ordering my copy this evening.

(...just can't wait to see that squirrel dropping his coconut off the Empire State observation deck in glorious restored color and sound!) :D

(and, oh yeah, those B&Ws too.) ;)

Jon Cooke

10-29-2008, 05:19 PM

Toon Zone has posted an excellent review by Speedy Boris: http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=26848

Look for GAC review coverage of this set soon! :cool:

Speedy Boris

10-29-2008, 05:24 PM

Toon Zone has posted an excellent review by Speedy Boris: http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=26848

Look for GAC review coverage of this set soon! :cool: Hey, thanks!

Geezil

10-29-2008, 05:35 PM

Toon Zone has posted an excellent review by Speedy Boris: http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=26848

Look for GAC review coverage of this set soon! :cool:

Well done, Speedster! It's a pleasure to read.

Daffysleftfoot

10-29-2008, 05:37 PM

About Disc 2 in that there are only 3 bonus toons instead of 4 like the others. Plus, Jerry Beck originally said there'd 76 cartoons and there ended up only being 75.

Was the fourth cartoon on that disc originally held by a more controversial WWII short like Bugs Bunny Nips the Nip or Tokio Jokio?

speedy fast

10-29-2008, 08:31 PM

In my local stores, i see many Golden Collection copies and nothing for the Spotlight. I guess they have much hearts about the Golden Collection even for a expensive price. :rolleyes:

Either that, or the Spotlight Collection copies in your area sell so well that they sell out before you can find a copy.

LTS

10-29-2008, 09:13 PM

I've finished disc 1 and 2, now im going to start on disc 4 and finally Bosko and co.

LTS

10-30-2008, 06:44 AM

Finished disc 4 and let me say wow. I have never watched any of those and thats how i'd rather spend my money on shorts i've never seen instead of shorts i've seen 50000 times because i do want to own all 1000+. Tonight i'll crack open disc 3.

Jerry Beck did a 15 minute interview on Good Morning New Orleans and here it is.

His topic on cartoon brew about it, that included a link to the interview - http://www.cartoonbrew.com/page/3

A direct link to the interview - http://www.abc26.com/pages/video/?clipId=3046723&topVideoCatNo=96380&c=&autoStart=true&activePane=info&LaunchPageAdTag=homepage&clipFormat=

StillHowardFein

10-30-2008, 11:34 AM

Upon purchase of an LTCG, the first thing I generally do is view those cartoons that have commentaries. Volume 6 has noticeably less of this. Paul Dini, Michael Barrier and Eric Goldberg, all of whose comments I enjoy (especially Goldberg) are absent. So are John K and his hyper posse, and they're not missed:p - although Eddie Fitzgerald often has interesting insights when he's the sole commentator.

Greg Ford has always provided the best overall commentary despite his tendency to laugh excessively at gags he feels are funny, and at his own jokes. Most of the time he's factually accurate (unlike June Foray and the late Bill Melendez, who can be excused for faulty recollections by virtue of age), but I take exception to Ford's claim that HERR MEETS HARE and THE DRAFT HORSE have been long suppressed. As recently as 1990, both were included in the pre-48 syndie package on NYC's WOR- along with DAFFY THE COMMANDO and THE FIFTH COLUMN MOUSE. All of these titles, along with PLANE DAFFY, reportedly prevailed on the Turner cable networks well into the ninteties.

After the commentaries, I next view the documentaries whose subject matter interest me. The Mel Blanc tribute was extremely interesting, if a bit overlong and overlauditory; apparently, the man was an absolute saint. (There had been murmurings over the years of a frequently turbulent personal and business relationship with Noel.) The appearances of his agent, rabbi and incredibly youthful assistant:rolleyes: seemed rather superfluous. Stroke victim Kirk Douglas looked as if he would barely survive his sessions.

The old commercials JACK BENNY clips were quite welcome, and Universal was quite generous in allowing a WB production to show footage of :woody: . Blanc's often-overlooked work for Hanna-Barbera was deservedly given prominence (although that may be because WB now owns H-B; there was no acknowledgement of Blanc's TV UPA work:magoo: ). A minor, but vexing error was including WACKY RACES, an H-B show to which he did not contribute. The researchers probably can't tell the Slag Brothers from Cap'n. Caveman.:confused:

My next viewing will probably be of the WWII shorts followed by the one-shots, the early stuff and the MGM stuff, with the full knowledge that the latter two elements may not be as 'comfortable' or 'familiar' as what is expected from a WB cartoon collection. But it's important to view the less familiar stuff as well.

Brandon Panther

10-30-2008, 09:13 PM

The nicest plus so far that I've seen is a little bit of restored animation on "Meet John Doughboy" that was missing from the prints normally in circulation.
You're gonna have to be specific as to what the restored animation is. I just watched Meet John Doughboy, and the print is the same as I've seen many times before with all the odd cuts.

Matt the Y

10-30-2008, 09:31 PM

A minor, but vexing error was including WACKY RACES, an H-B show to which he did not contribute. The researchers probably can't tell the Slag Brothers from Cap'n. Caveman.:confused:

That is correct; contrary to many reports, Mel Blanc did NOT do voices for "Wacky Races". Daws Butler was the voice of the Slags. Blanc also did not provide voices for "The Ant Hill Mob" characters on the show as well; show regulars Paul Winchell and Don Messick provided the mobsters' voices ("Big Clyde" and "Ding-a-Ling", the two most prominently featured Ant-Hill characters, were voiced by Winchell and Messick, respectively).

J Lee

10-30-2008, 11:44 PM

You're gonna have to be specific as to what the restored animation is. I just watched Meet John Doughboy, and the print is the same as I've seen many times before with all the odd cuts.

Check after the Benny/Maxwell gag -- the next scene is extended forward from where it begins on both the available PD tapes and from its rare airings on Cartoon Network (albeit the brief Life magazine cover glimpse and jump cut are gone).

Brandon Panther

10-31-2008, 01:29 AM

Check after the Benny/Maxwell gag -- the next scene is extended forward from where it begins on both the available PD tapes and from its rare airings on Cartoon Network (albeit the brief Life magazine cover glimpse and jump cut are gone).
Do you mean the scene following the Life magazine jump cut is the restored animation?

zavkram

10-31-2008, 10:09 AM

Upon purchase of an LTCG, the first thing I generally do is view those cartoons that have commentaries...

The Mel Blanc tribute was extremely interesting...stroke victim Kirk Douglas looked as if he would barely survive his sessions.

I generally do the same thing, go straight for the bonus features (I can't help it, I'm like a kid in a candy store!) :D

I agree with you about Kirk Douglas, those interview segments are painful to watch. Is Douglas still alive? I thought I saw an obituary for him a couple of months ago, but maybe I'm thinking of Paul Newman.

Another thing about that Blanc documentary, I also thought that the black & white ambulance scene and hospital footage look fake... almost the sort of thing one sees on either the Montel Williams Show or the Maury Povitch Show at the beginning of one of their featured "human interest" stories.

janiepooh34

10-31-2008, 04:07 PM

I generally do the same thing, go straight for the bonus features (I can't help it, I'm like a kid in a candy store!) :D

I agree with you about Kirk Douglas, those interview segments are painful to watch. Is Douglas still alive? I thought I saw an obituary for him a couple of months ago, but maybe I'm thinking of Paul Newman.

Another thing about that Blanc documentary, I also thought that the black & white ambulance scene and hospital footage look fake... almost the sort of thing one sees on either the Montel Williams Show or the Maury Povitch Show at the beginning of one of their featured "human interest" stories.

Kirk Douglas is still alive! I wish you would think those segments of Kirk are inspirational rather than painful to watch.

Bartman

10-31-2008, 06:01 PM

After scanning thru this 20+ page thread, I'm amazed nobody here has mentioned that the restored "Dog Gone South" is not the Blue Ribbon reissue print - it has its original green ring Merrie Melodie opening title (the BR reissue retained the original "That's All Folks" closing title)

As for what I paid for Vol 6 - nothing - Mom bought it for me for my 43rd birthday :p

Duck Dodgers

10-31-2008, 06:41 PM

I wonder how the set is going with sales.

Leviathan

10-31-2008, 06:55 PM

I think I can safely assume that it is NOT selling better than expected (how can it when the set is loaded down with sub-Mickey Mouse detritus)

Brandon Panther

10-31-2008, 07:05 PM

It's sales rank at Amazon has dropped to #114.

LTS

10-31-2008, 07:48 PM

Something i still dont understand is why WB are stopping this series? WB claim that they still want to restore 60 shorts per year and say that they dont want to venture down the GC road because of costs, well it'll still cost them the same amount of money to restore 60 shorts and it might cost us the same or a bit less to buy.

Amazon.com usually have these sets for $45-50 months after release date and say they do bring out two 2 disc sets of 30 shorts a piece, we're still looking at $20-25 a set so $40-45 for 2 sets a years. We're really not saving anything. Unless of course WB do two 2 disc sets of 30 shorts a piece and Amazon and other online retailers have the price at $15 each then yeah we're saving money but i doubt that would be the price anyway.

Leviathan

10-31-2008, 08:32 PM

This is a little belated, but take a look at this copy from Russian Rhapsody on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xs8TVkJSUc

It's unrestored and appears to come from a VHS (possibly Bugs and Daffy: the Wartime Cartoons). Hitler's uniform is green at the beginning, but towards the end it is BROWN, just like on the DVD. So I don't think the color differences between the dubbed version and the DVD copy means that the latter is wrong.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/Superstar892/rr.jpg

jonmayo15

11-01-2008, 07:49 AM

Haven't gotten my set yet.

Jack G.

11-01-2008, 01:04 PM

I've gone through the set with the exception of the bonus MGM shorts.
I'm kind of puzzled why they're here. More unrestored Warner cartoons
that might not make it out could have gone there.

Glad to have Hare Trigger, Herr Meets Hare, and Russian Rhapsody.

It seems Sid Marcus was good for McKimson looking at
A Ham in a Role, The Oily American, and The Hole Idea.

I used to see By Word of Mouse and Heir Conditioned
back when I was kid on my station's pre-48 package.
Now that I'm old enough I actually understand them.

Much of the Patriotic Pals disc are spot gag shorts - not too interesting.

I think I actually wound up enjoying Disc 3 the most.
The Booze Hangs High has some great surreal stuff in the end half.
I've never seen a Buddy cartoon 'till this point.
The shorts are good but the character is clearly uninspired.

Page Miss Glory is very unusual for Avery.

I could relate to the sentiment in Norman Normal.

Nelson

11-01-2008, 01:28 PM

I'm actually suprised that "A HAM IN A ROLE" and "IT'S HUMMERTIME" has their original Looney Tunes opening restored, as I didn't even know that, before buying the set, but hands down, this is the best volume of the entire dvd series.

The sad part for me, is the terrible audio problems for the Norman McCabe cartoon, "HOP AND GO", as the dialog seems to get drowned out over a newly added musical soundtrack.The same problems occur in my copies of a few of the restored "Fox And Crow" cartoons.

Brandon Panther

11-01-2008, 01:30 PM

I think they put those "Freleng at MGM" cartoons in this set, because there's probably no chance we'll see them on an official MGM-based DVD set.

Jack G.

11-01-2008, 03:44 PM

I think they put those "Freleng at MGM" cartoons in this set, because there's probably no chance we'll see them on an official MGM-based DVD set.I have no problem with them being there.
I happy to have some of those MGM cartoons.

One thing I forgot to mention- Norman McCabe's cartoons. I think McCabe was correct in his judgement of his own cartoons.
One thing I found surprising were the stylized backgrounds. I didn't anybody but Jones did that before UPA happened.

trevthetoonfan

11-01-2008, 06:36 PM

J Lee

11-01-2008, 07:39 PM

The only problem that I noticed with LTGC 6 is an audio issue with Horton Hatches The Egg. On the end title Merrily We Roll Along is heard instead of Merry Go Round Broke Down. Merry Go Round Broke Down '46-'54 was always heard on the That's All Folks on TBS and syndication before Warners remastered the TV prints. Anyone else notice that?

TBS aired the 1985 remasters for videotape that were originally done by MGM-UA for the Vidde-Oh! series of tapes. The ending was changed there, along with some really horrific edits to the opening credits on a number of pre-48 WB cartoons. The 1995 dubbed versions mostly went the other way -- the restored the proper openings (except for redone titles for "The Night Watchman" and "Daffy Duck and Egghead") while mangling the closing video -- and in several cases, the audio -- on the pre-48 shorts, the latter of which made it on to the first three volumes of the Golden Collection.

What you're hearing now is the BR version of "Horton" as aired on TV from the same source as the AAP print that ran from 1956 to 1985.

speedy fast

11-01-2008, 09:23 PM

I've noticed that on Hop and Go, it starts out with a blank black screen, and then the music starts for a few seconds before any visuals appear.

trevthetoonfan

11-02-2008, 09:13 AM

So that means then that Horton has the correct audio on the That's All Folks that's been wrong for the last 22 years. Wow, I never really realized how many TV prints were wrong when they were on TV back in the 80s when I watched them as a kid. I think a lot of us here grew up watching the Looney Tunes cartoons the wrong way. We've become accustomed to seeing them that way that when we see them the right way like on the DVDs we think they're wrong. Although it was disappointing to hear the wrong audio on the first three Golden collections on some cartoons. There are sometimes though when I could relive my TBS cartoon watching days in the mid 80s to early 90s.