Reminder: Jerry Beck on Shokus Radio tonight

[Brandon Panther]

Although, by this point, I don't think there's much for us to ask Jerry since the contents of Vol. 6 have long been revealed. All Jerry can really discuss this time around is Cartoon Brew TV, and any possible 2009 Looney Tunes releases.

I'm just hoping he'll have an update on Looney Tunes' return to television. His last two appearances he merely mentioned that WB had been offering the Looney Tunes to Nickelodeon, but we don't know anything farther than that.

[Speedy Boris]

Yeah, I'm hoping to hear hints at any future DVDs. Comon character sets.

And a possibility of LT on Nick again? I didn't know that. How cool would that be? A revival of one of my favorite Nick programs.

[pablo]

Maybe some word on those MGM sets WB promised?

[Leviathan]

Since Feburary's radio show was where we first heard about the bonuses for Popeye Volume 2, I think it's quite probable that we'll hear at least a little bit about bonuses for Volume 3.

[Jon Cooke]

I hope somebody once again posts the highlights in this thread as I will be on my way to work and won't be able to hear most of the show! I always appreciate the updates. :)

[Bugsy-Kun]

I'm gonna listen it. In the website synopsis, they probably talk about the Terrytoons' history! :D

[WoodpeckerWoody]

time,

[Duck Dodgers]

It's now a GAC tradition (I think I've started that but not sure) to post here what Jerry says during the show.
I'd appreciate if someone would ask him about the future of LTs on dvd, how the cartoons will be released etc.. plus the bonus features in Popeye 3.

[Jeffitarian]

time,

The show is being broadcast at 7:00pm EDT with a rebroadcast for the next seven days at the same time if I'm not mistaken.

[Jeffitarian]

Maybe some word on those MGM sets WB promised?

That would be cool indeed!

[nickramer]

Would it be okay if I called in again? I think some people here don't seem to enjoy my questions. I have a queston regarding a certain star turning 80 this year.
In case people are wondering, I was the one who asked if the Terrytoons were ever on Nickelodeon near the end of Jerry's last apperance on the show.

[rrfan3267]

will anyone be able to post a transcript or something for those who won't be able to hear it?

and what's this about lt coming back to nick? that would be amazing! hopefully, if it happens, they'd get more than just the pre-48 shorts that boomerang had...

[Leviathan]

I have Shokus up in preparation. I'd be glad to post any tidbits, that is if no one beats me to the punch.

Shhhhh, it's starting. My heart's pounding in anticipation

[Leviathan]

First Tidbits:


Jerry is planning Cartoon Brew Vault for super-rare old cartoons that can't be found on any of the standard-video sharing sites.
Harvey Cartoon Comics: Baby Huey is out. Herman and Katnip and Buzzy ARE in they Huey book. Next up is Little Audrey/Dot/Lotta
Warner Bros. is planning a Saturday Morning DVD box set. Possibly for Spring 2009. Will be a meshup of various cartoons (like Hanna-Barbera) in a simulation of a Saturday Morning TV lineup.
Popeye Volume 3's Delay: Was because of various issues with the openings. The Hungry Goat's negative was deteriorated towards the beginning and the end. The CN recreation wasn't high quality, so a new high-quality version was created using the CN version and surviving film elements
All of the cartoons on the newest set look great.

[Bugsy-Kun]

Baby Huey is over of the Harveytoons comics.

[WoodpeckerWoody]

Link, even with Icelandic crumbling economic I still have the net.:D

[tristar]

There will be a Saturday Morning set soon! Can't wait!:D

[Leviathan]

Second Set of Tidbits:



Problem with Popeye titles are that some of the original negatives have suffered nitrate deterioration. First two Famous Popeyes lack studio designation.
Popeye's release schedule will continue at semi-annual sets.
June Foray and Earl Kress will be on Stu's 100th show. Jerry Beck will be back on January, to tie into Stu's planned Animation month.
Some of the 15 bonuses have been restored, others have not. All are derived from 35mms. Two of the bonus cartoons (from the 1933-1934 season ) look "rough".

[Brandon Panther]

June Foray will be on Shokus Radio Nov. 12!

[Daff Doc]

Still 60 Looney Tunes restored per year.:ham:

[LTS]

Still 60 toons per year.:sylvester

Can you elaborate on what you mean? Are you talking about the LT's dvds to be made in 2009+?

EDIT: I just saw your edit about the Looney Tunes. :)

[Leviathan]

Third set of Tidbits



Warner is still going to restore 60 cartoons a year. DVD's are planned for the future.
Bugs Bunny Show releases still possible. Warner is still looking for color elements, and if they can't find any, they will colorize B/W elements
The Popeye and Friends DVD's didn't do too well sales-wise.
Sales expectation of Warner for Golden Collection #6 are "mild". If it sells better than expected, a revival of the Golden Collection brand could happen.
No plans for Woody Woodpecker #3. Universal fire possibly to blame.

[Daff Doc]

Ray just hearing your Inkwell Images commercial right now, LIVE!!:betty:

[tristar]

Since it's hard to call from Canada, can someone please ask Jerry if he knows anything about the upcoming Spumco book from PictureBox? I know it's kind of off-topic, but I would really appreciate it.;)

[Leviathan]

Fourth set of Tidbits:



A Chuck Jones Tom and Jerry set is possible. No plans for Tex Avery yet.
Warner Bros. is discussing releasing a Blu-Ray a Looney Tunes set.
Me Musical Nephews' negative was also deteriorated.

[nickramer]

CBS owns the Mighty Mouse cartoons, but Vitacom owns the rest of Terrytoons. Ouch.:(

[pghjerry]

I'm a bit upset about Woody

[J Lee]

I wonder if Jerry should tell Stu there are four Jim Tyer cartoons on the new Popeye DVD, after hearing Stu's Terrytoons rant...

[nickramer]

Boy, Stu was sure burned up with that Yogi movie plan. I don't blame him, but I did like "Yogi's Treasure Hunt". I thought that show was close on giving the character their original personalities.

P.S. The Donald set is going to have an audio commantary.

[Daff Doc]

Boy, Stu was sure burned up with that Yogi movie plan. I don't blame him, but I did like "Yogi's Treasure Hunt". I thought that show was close on giving the character their original personalities.

P.S. The Donald set is going to have an audio commantary.

Tell me about it. I got the earful as I was Bryan waiting on the line.:foggy:

[pablo]

Damn, that's very unfortunate about Woody Vol. 3. Is there no way it'll happen now? There were so many cool Lantz cartoons on these sets! I'm sure there could be a few more made... :(
No word on an MGM set?

[Leviathan]

IT's Done. Here's the Complete recap:


Jerry is planning Cartoon Brew Vault for super-rare old cartoons that can't be found on any of the standard-video sharing sites.
Harvey Cartoon Comics: Baby Huey is out. Herman and Katnip and Buzzy ARE in they Huey book. Next up is Little Audrey/Dot/Lotta
Warner Bros. is planning a Saturday Morning DVD box set. Possibly for Spring 2009. Will be a meshup of various cartoons (like Hanna-Barbera) in a simulation of a Saturday Morning TV lineup.
Popeye Volume 3's Delay: Was because of various issues with the openings. The Hungry Goat's negative was deteriorated towards the beginning and the end. The CN recreation wasn't high quality, so a new high-quality version was created using the CN version and surviving film elements
All of the cartoons on the newest set look great
Problem with Popeye titles are that some of the original negatives have suffered nitrate deterioration. First two Famous Popeyes lack studio designation.
Popeye's release schedule will continue at semi-annual sets.
June Foray and Earl Kress will be on Stu's 100th show. Jerry Beck will be back on January, to tie into Stu's planned Animation month.
Some of the 15 bonuses have been restored, others have not. All are derived from 35mms. Two of the bonus cartoons (from the 1933-1934 season ) look "rough".
Warner is still going to restore 60 cartoons a year. DVD's are planned for the future.
Bugs Bunny Show releases still possible. Warner is still looking for color elements, and if they can't find any, they will colorize B/W elements
The Popeye and Friends DVD's didn't do too well sales-wise.
Sales expectation of Warner for Golden Collection #6 are "mild". If it sells better than expected, a revival of the Golden Collection brand could happen.
No plans for Woody Woodpecker #3. Universal fire possibly to blame.
A Chuck Jones Tom and Jerry set is possible. No plans for Tex Avery yet.
Warner Bros. is discussing releasing a Blu-Ray a Looney Tunes set. No firms plans yet
Me Musical Nephews' negative was also deteriorated. Ending fixed to some extent on Popeye Vol. 3 DVD
Popeye Volume 3 will have Popumentaries, possibly a wartime featurette, but a Famous documentary is being saved for the future.
MGM cartoons have not been forgotten about. No firm plans about future releases
Saturday Morning boxset might have a Quick Draw McGraw episode with original music.

[Jon Cooke]

Thanks for the recap, Kevin!

[Speedy Boris]

Good to hear that future Looney Tunes sets will have just as many cartoons. I guess I just assumed that because they probably won't be GCs, they'd have less cartoons. This is a lesson to never assume. :)

I'm a bit surprised that WB thinks vol. 6 will only sell mildly well. I wonder if that's because they think the list of cartoons won't entice the casual consumer or if it's solely based on less sales for each volume, or both.

[Jon Cooke]

You know, I am surprised somebody didn't think up this "Saturday Morning" DVD sampler idea earlier. It sounds like a neat idea to me. I can see it appealing to customers who will see a DVD release of, say, Magilla Gorilla and think, "Hey, I remember that from when I was a kid... I just don't think I need 4 discs worth of it". It also sounds like a way to get some of the more obscure stuff out there onto DVD in some form (like Ruff & Reddy, etc).

[TheBlueHombre]

I was not able to listen. Any H-B news beyond the Saturday Morning DVD set (which sounds great) - in particular, Huckleberry Hound?

[Daws Butler Jr.]

You know, I am surprised somebody didn't think up this "Saturday Morning" DVD sampler idea earlier. It sounds like a neat idea to me. I can see it appealing to customers who will see a DVD release of, say, Magilla Gorilla and think, "Hey, I remember that from when I was a kid... I just don't think I need 4 discs worth of it". It also sounds like a way to get some of the more obscure stuff out there onto DVD in some form (like Ruff & Reddy, etc).

Me and George Feltenstein pitched the idea of doing a 50th anniversary Hanna-Barbera set a couple of years ago, where I thought we could include obscure stuff that just didn't warrant an entire set on its own, but they never went for it. This sounds like the next best thing.

I'll bet if there is a Quick Draw cartoon, it will be from the final season when the underscore was by Hoyt Curtin, which they own and not Capitol Production music which they're having problems clearing.

[That 70s Mom]

IT's Done. Here's the Complete recap:


Warner Bros. is planning a Saturday Morning DVD box set. Possibly for Spring 2009. Will be a meshup of various cartoons (like Hanna-Barbera) in a simulation of a Saturday Morning TV lineup.



Sounds Great! Here's hoping they include classic commercials and bumpers.

I hope the Harvey Girls book is still on track for December; that may be my one splurge for Christmas.

Thanks for the recap!

[Fibber Fox]

I'll bet if there is a Quick Draw cartoon, it will be from the final season when the underscore was by Hoyt Curtin, which they own and not Capitol Production music which they're having problems clearing.

:(

Well, I can always hope that, like my prince, some day clearance will come.

F. Fox.

[bjimba]

Be careful here. Listening to Warner Brothers is like listening to Obama or McCain.

They said they would continue to *restore* 60 cartoons a year. They said nothing about how many they would be releasing on DVD.

I take this as good news -- the restoration work is much more important than the release dates. But there was no promise of 60 cartoons delivered to *us* next year.

[Leviathan]

If they are going to continue restoring 60 films a year, then they have to recoup those restoration costs somewhere, and airing them on television is no longer a viable answer.

[Duck Dodgers]

Thanks a million, Kevin, for your job!

"Sales expectation of Warner for Golden Collection #6 are "mild". If it sells better than expected, a revival of the Golden Collection brand could happen."

Sounds like we'll have to support this in every way possible. So, guys, give priority to this release in your shopping list;)

[Fibber Fox]

Sounds like we'll have to support this in every way possible. So, guys, give priority to this release in your shopping list;)

Well, I'm certainly buying.

Btw, I thought the Shokus shows were archived for a week. All I can hear is the live broadcast. Did I go to the wrong URL?

F. Fox

[Jon Cooke]

Btw, I thought the Shokus shows were archived for a week. All I can hear is the live broadcast. Did I go to the wrong URL?

They are repeated for a week at the same time.

I wish Shokus offered an archive of past shows for download.

[Ray Pointer]

They are repeated for a week at the same time.

I wish Shokus offered an archive of past shows for download.

You can order past shows for $4.00 each. Incidentally, I will be on again November 19th for a "Holiday Kick-off."

[MF TOON]

Sales expectation of Warner for Golden Collection #6 are "mild". If it sells better than expected, a revival of the Golden Collection brand could happen.




Warner Bros. is discussing releasing a Blu-Ray a Looney Tunes set. No firms plans yet


Makes perfect sense... :confused::confused::confused:

[MF TOON]

PS- I can't wait for details of the proposed SatAM set! That sounds amazing and I hope that they include network bumpers and vintage promo spots as well to take viewers back...

I'm amazed that WHV is still neglecting their MGM library and throwing around the same tired lines. We were promised with the release of the Droopy set two years ago that more Tex Avery was dependant on the abundance of sales... yeah right! And as for Tom & Jerry: keep your Chuck Jones cartoons and give us proper releases of the original, classic MGM - Hanna Barbera years! :mad:

[J. J. Hunsecker]

Warner Bros. is discussing releasing a Blu-Ray a Looney Tunes set.


HOLY SH..... shoe leather! I can't wait for that!

[J. J. Hunsecker]

I'm a bit upset about Woody
Really though, what Woody cartoons are left? The ones on the 2nd set, from the 50's, were pretty dismal, so I can't imagine how bad they'd get on a third set. Would those be Woody cartoons from the 60's and 70's? Not really Woody's salad days.

[nickramer]

Really though, what Woody cartoons are left? The ones on the 2nd set, from the 50's, were pretty dismal, so I can't imagine how bad they'd get on a third set. Would those be Woody cartoons from the 60's and 70's? Not really Woody's salad days.
Let's see...
A couple of Alax Lovy cartoons,
Jack Hannah's cartoons
and the Sid Marcus cartoons.

There are still some good cartoons left. Just skip the one that are sub-labled "directed by Paul J. Smith".

[Bugsy-Kun]

Yes but that's gonna miss some pretty good Andy entries (Meatless Tuesday, Crazy House, The Wacky Weed, etc.) and the rest of Swing Symphonies, the only Musical Miniatures shorts not included and other rare gems from the 30's.

For the Woody, you can watch it on YouTube in foreign versions. :D

[grundle]

Third set of Tidbits



Warner is still going to restore 60 cartoons a year. DVD's are planned for the future.
Bugs Bunny Show releases still possible. Warner is still looking for color elements, and if they can't find any, they will colorize B/W elements
The Popeye and Friends DVD's didn't do too well sales-wise.
Sales expectation of Warner for Golden Collection #6 are "mild". If it sells better than expected, a revival of the Golden Collection brand could happen.
No plans for Woody Woodpecker #3. Universal fire possibly to blame.




As I've explained in other threads, the reason the Golden Collections aren't selling so well is because they refuse to make the DVDs that people want. People want a variety of different characters on each disc, not 15 cartoons in a row all of the same character. And no one (except you people) cares about Buddy and Bosko - those cartoons should have had their own seperate release instead of being mixed in with the cartoons that everyone wants.

Want to make something that sells a huge amount? Release a 10 disc (single sided, double layered) set of 300 cartoons where each disc has a wide variety of characters. That would sell very, very well.

[Bugsy-Kun]

As I've explained in other threads, the reason the Golden Collections aren't selling so well is because they refuse to make the DVDs that people want. People want a variety of different characters on each disc, not 15 cartoons in a row all of the same character. And no one (except you people) cares about Buddy and Bosko - those cartoons should have had their own seperate release instead of being mixed in with the cartoons that everyone wants.

Want to make something that sells a huge amount? Release a 10 disc (single sided, double layered) set of 300 cartoons where each disc has a wide variety of characters. That would sell very, very well.

That's the problem about some peoples. They want their same favorites again and again instead to keeping the variety we know. I remember being frustrated to see the same cartoons in a row in Volume 1 and 2 but since the Volume 3, the series got a real improvement with rare gems and well-know shorts. Like a twist between best-sellers and a rarely reading book.

[WoodpeckerWoody]

I think the problem is that Jerry Beck hasn't been given total control over the animation depertment that have to do with golden era shorts and realated stuff.

[Brandon Panther]

I think the problem is that Jerry Beck hasn't been given total control over the animation depertment that have to do with golden era shorts and realated stuff.
No, I think the real problem is that not everyone can be pleased. I'm probably one of few people that likes the idea of their being two all B&W cartoon discs (one on Vol. 5, the other on Vol. 6)

[WoodpeckerWoody]

Then I don't think those pepole see the real value of those cartoons. I see no point in collecting only 1940-1969 or somthing similar.

[Bugsy-Kun]

Thad confirms that "A Ham in a Role" being restored with the original Looney Tunes open and closed missing since the 1960's. :)

[pablo]

Really though, what Woody cartoons are left? The ones on the 2nd set, from the 50's, were pretty dismal, so I can't imagine how bad they'd get on a third set. Would those be Woody cartoons from the 60's and 70's? Not really Woody's salad days.

For me personally it were the non-Woody shorts that made these sets wonderful. The little-seen '30s-'40s cartoons. Golden Age all the way!

[That 70s Mom]

Want to make something that sells a huge amount? Release a 10 disc (single sided, double layered) set of 300 cartoons where each disc has a wide variety of characters. That would sell very, very well.

I would NOT be able to afford that, and in today's economy, I'm probably not alone.

But I agree that variety is better than a whole DVD of the same character. A lot of cartoons are best taken in small doses, like Harveytoons and 60s Popeyes and Beetle Baileys and Daffy/Speedys and Buddys and Road Runner. It would be fun to have, along with the "Saturday" set, a "weekday afternoon" set that consists of a potpourri of LTs, odd MGMs, etc. interspersed with clips of local kiddie TV hosts of the past, especially the ones where they're selling stuff. :)

[Tim Lones]

I would NOT be able to afford that, and in today's economy, I'm probably not alone.

But I agree that variety is better than a whole DVD of the same character. A lot of cartoons are best taken in small doses, like Harveytoons and 60s Popeyes and Beetle Baileys and Daffy/Speedys and Buddys and Road Runner. It would be fun to have, along with the "Saturday" set, a "weekday afternoon" set that consists of a potpourri of LTs, odd MGMs, etc. interspersed with clips of local kiddie TV hosts of the past, especially the ones where they're selling stuff. :)

That would be a wonderful Idea..Problem being, there is just not that much video of the local kiddie hosts video around, especially from the 1960's..

I'll be going to "Ghouilardifest", a 3-day convention honoring the late Ernie Anderson "Ghoulardi" on WJW-TV 8 Cleveland (also the voice of ABC till the 1990's) late next week...It's shaping up to be more of a Cleveland TV/nostalgia Festival than just about Anderson or his successors on Channel 8, Though they will be there..

They will be having a film room where on Saturday Morning they will be showing 2 hours of "Captain Penny" The late Ron Penfound from WEWS-TV 5. I didnt know there was 2 hours out there of his show..Looking forward to it..

[grundle]

OK. A 10 disc set would be too expensive for a lot of people.

Then how about 10 individual releases, with 30 cartoons per disc?

Each disc could have:

3 Bugs and Elmer cartoons

2 Bugs and Sam

1 Bugs and minor villain

1 Bugs and Daffy

4 Daffy

1 Daffy and Porky

2 Porky

3 Tweety and Sylvester

2 Road Runner

2 Foghorn Leghorn

1 Speedy Gonzales

1 Pepe Le Pew

1 Marvin the Martian or 1 Tasmanian Devil

1 Marc Antony and Pussyfoot or 1 Hubie and Bertie

1 Wolf and Sheepdog or 1 Goofy Gophers

4 Miscellaneous or one shots or some other cartoon, which could include any of the above characters

Mix the cartoons around so no character appears in two consecutive cartoons.

Each disc could have a suggested price of $19.99 and an actual price of $13.99.

They could be called "Classic Looney Tunes Vol. 1" and so on.

Huge numbers of people would buy these.

I understand that Jerry has been limited in what he could remaster. But at some point in the future, enough cartoons will have been remastered that a release like this will be possible.

Since the cartoons will already have been remastered, it should be very easy and cost effective for Warner Bros to release something like this. Just as it's very easy for record companies to release a "greatest hits" album after a band has released enough albums.

I love Road Runner cartoons. But who wants to watch 11 of them in a row, as is the current situation?

Wouldn't it be more fun to watch a Bugs cartoon, and then a Road Runner cartoon, and then a Tweety and Sylvester cartoon?

[J. J. Hunsecker]

You can't please everyone. No matter what format you chose for the DVD release of the Looney Tunes cartoons, it would present problems for some consumers. DVDs centering around one character might be what some people want, like the Disney Treasures sets. Or maybe chronological order, or even by director. I think the Golden Collections represent the best way to release the cartoons -- a potpourri with a little of all of the above.

[J. J. Hunsecker]

I love Road Runner cartoons. But who wants to watch 11 of them in a row, as is the current situation?

Wouldn't it be more fun to watch a Bugs cartoon, and then a Road Runner cartoon, and then a Tweety and Sylvester cartoon?
Back in the day, before DVDs, the cartoons were released on video by characters, so you would have 11 Road Runner cartoons in a row. With DVD, one can skip around and watch the cartoons in any fashion they wish. If the disc is devoted to a particular director, then the cartoons will feature a variety of characters, as well as one-shots.

[Fibber Fox]

. I think the Golden Collections represent the best way to release the cartoons -- a potpourri with a little of all of the above.

I remember watching cartoons like that once. It was called "television."

F. Fox

[Jaime_Weinman]

As I've explained in other threads, the reason the Golden Collections aren't selling so well is because they refuse to make the DVDs that people want.

I think the likeliest explanation is the simplest one: every set sells worse than the one before it, so by the time you get to volume 6, you're talking about sales that are down five levels from the original set.

That doesn't have much to do with the selection of cartoons. It's just an industry-wide rule: the first season or volume set always sells the best, and after that is diminishing returns. That's because even though collectors and die-hard fans will want all the volumes, more casual fans will be satisfied with one or two. And that's especially true with big sets like the LTGCs where the price is too high for casual impulse buying.

[Vdubdavid]

Thad confirms that "A Ham in a Role" being restored with the original Looney Tunes open and closed missing since the 1960's. :)

Ooooh, so my question at the very end of the show was relevant! I dialed 70 times trying to get in Wednesday!

Anyway, this whole show had me feeling like Tex Avery's Wolf, ready to explode in anticipation the whole way through.

The best thing for me, besides confirmation of several goodies with the Looney Tunes, was the explanation about the Popeyes; why the set was delayed and why some cartoons will look the way they do.

That's what we need to hear more of about these sets. Okay, some cartoons will have an approximation of their original titles. That's fine and dandy, as long as you tell us before hand that it's so and why it has to be that way.

Goodness knows Mr. Beck saved me and probably alot of other people alot of heartache this week with his report.

[trevthetoonfan]

Jerry Beck is a classic animation genius. Over the past 5 years, he has had all us classic cartoon fans just drooling in anticipation of Looney Tunes and Popeye DVDs. Who knows what the future will bring. Go, Jerry, go!!

[Jack G.]

And no one (except you people) cares about Buddy and Bosko - those cartoons should have had their own seperate release instead of being mixed in with the cartoons that everyone wants.For the very, very casual fan, the first two LTGCs are probably enough. Most of the obvious stuff has appeared on the early collections.

As for Buddy, Bosko, and other early days stuff, I think a whole disc is a bit much,
but spreading two to five across a whole set works for me.
I certainly like seeing them in small doses, and the general public can digest them easier.

But there's always people that aren't happy. :rolleyes:

As long as Warner keeps quality, uncensored sets coming, I'm satisfied with the LT&MM releases.

Now, if only they'd get moving on the MGM cartoons.

Jerry Beck is a classic animation genius. Over the past 5 years, he has had all us classic cartoon fans just drooling in anticipation of Looney Tunes and Popeye DVDs. Who knows what the future will bring. Go, Jerry, go!!Ditto for me.

Thanks Jerry!

[Joe H]

Actually, I do think there are some that to have a particular fondness to Bosko (more than Buddy) especially after seeing them aired on Nickelodeon back in the day. Sure, he's not as big of a draw as the "main" cast.

I particularly enjoy Bosko cartoons myself and think it's about time for him to surface in the cartoon sets.

I like the current way of releasing the sets. As long as they continue restoring the new cartoons and releasing them uncensored.

Also, regarding the 3rd Woody set, did the fire really destroy any original negatives? I thought it just destroyed archived copies and that nothing irreplaceable (regarding film stock) was lost. Or is the fire a possible reason because Universal wants to be more conservaticve with how they spend money. I think the 2nd set just didn't sell as well as hoped, though I will buy a future set if it does come around, if only for the "friends" portion of the DVD.

Lastly, I'm glad to hear that the delay for Popeye was because WB wants to do further restoration work on degraded shorts

[Nelson]

Well for me personally, I think it's about time that Bosko appeared on this dvd series and this looks to be the best volume of this collection.

As for some of the Popeye titles that will be on the next volume, I can't say that I'm not surprised with the some nitrate problems that did some damage to some of the cartoons, as I've known about that for years.

[grundle]

I think the likeliest explanation is the simplest one: every set sells worse than the one before it, so by the time you get to volume 6, you're talking about sales that are down five levels from the original set.

That doesn't have much to do with the selection of cartoons. It's just an industry-wide rule: the first season or volume set always sells the best, and after that is diminishing returns. That's because even though collectors and die-hard fans will want all the volumes, more casual fans will be satisfied with one or two. And that's especially true with big sets like the LTGCs where the price is too high for casual impulse buying.

That's one reason why.

But the people who were waiting for Foghorn Leghorn and Pepe Lepe are going to be really upset that this new set has a disc of Bosko and Buddy instead. Except for some of the people who post on this board, no one cares about those cartoons.

[Bugsy-Kun]

I'm gonna check the Wartime and Bosko disc of this ultimate collection for hardcore fans.

But if i got a chance, i keep a eye to the new Popeye volume despite that some cartoons was damaged over years, especially the early Famous shorts.

[Matthew Hunter]

That's one reason why.

But the people who were waiting for Foghorn Leghorn and Pepe Lepe are going to be really upset that this new set has a disc of Bosko and Buddy instead. Except for some of the people who post on this board, no one cares about those cartoons.


Yeah, the shortage of Foghorn and Pepe on these sets is a crime. But I think people will be pleasantly surprised by Bosko and company. Nobody cares (yet) because these cartoons have been so hard to see for so many years. This is the only way they're going to get out there...I don't think a standalone black and white set would do very well. I for one am glad they're doing it and cannot wait to see the results. They haven't made a bad set yet.

[stupiddimbulb]

That's one reason why.

But the people who were waiting for Foghorn Leghorn and Pepe Lepe are going to be really upset that this new set has a disc of Bosko and Buddy instead. Except for some of the people who post on this board, no one cares about those cartoons.

How could you possibly know that?

[David Gerstein]

Speaking from my own experience: I know many casual cartoon fans who remember Bosko fondly, usually from having grown up with him on Nick.
By contrast, I've never met an actual Buddy fan outside of the TTTP.

(Me, I'm split... I do like a few specific Buddy cartoons, but I don't think that saves him as a character...)

[Jack G.]

Actually, I do think there are some that to have a particular fondness to Bosko (more than Buddy) especially after seeing them aired on Nickelodeon back in the day. Sure, he's not as big of a draw as the "main" cast.

I particularly enjoy Bosko cartoons myself and think it's about time for him to surface in the cartoon sets.I think it's great that Bosko gets exposure. I certainly enjoy the earliest ones. :bosko:
But I don't want to watch too many in a row.

[grundle]

How could you possibly know that?

I was just making an educated guess. It's possible I was wrong.