More Lost "Blue Ribbon" Production #s Discovered

[LooneyLover81]

Upon visiting Dave Mackey's (restored) WB filmography pages, I have found more lost production #s discovered for almost all Blue Ribbon reissues of Merrie Melodies cartoons (although the ones that interest me the most are up to the 9900s; as this then turned over during 1941 and then Vitaphone #s were no longer used after 1943).

The list of what's found so far in terms of Blue Ribbon reissues (9900s-below):
6857 - Country Mouse (BR #1311, 7-13-35) (reissued 1953-54)
6925 - The Merry Old Soul (BR #1261, 8-17-35) (reissued 1952-53)
6927 - The Lady in Red (BR #1263, 9-7-35) (reissued 1952-53)
6983 - Little Dutch Plate (BR #1312, 10-19-35) (reissued 1953-54)
7001 - Flowers for Madame (BR #1236, 11-30-35) (reissued 1954-55)
7188 - The Cat Came Back (BR #1361, 2-8-36) (reissued 1954-55)
7190 - I'm a Big Shot Now (4-11-36) (reissued 1946-47)
7260 - Let It Be Me (5-2-36) (reissued 1943-44)
7360 - When I Yoo-Hoo (6-27-36) (reissued 1945-46)
7386 - Sunday Go to Meetin' Time (8-8-36) (reissued 1943-44)
7568 - Don't Look Now (11-7-36) (reissued 1948-49)
7636 - He Was Her Man (1-2-37) (reissued 1949-50)
7638 - I Only Have Eyes for You (3-6-37) (reissued 1945-46)
7717 - Pigs is Pigs (1-30-37) (reissued 1947-48) (available on LTGC V3, disc 2)
7729 - The Fella with a Fiddle (3-27-37) (reissued 1943-44)
7922 - Sweet Sioux (BR #2-13, 7-3-37) (reissued 1944-45)
8052 - Plenty of Money and You (7-31-37) (reissued 1943-44)
8056 - A Sunbonnet Blue (8-21-37) (reissued 1946-47)
8091 - I Wanna Be a Sailor (reissued 1949-50)
8092 - The Lyin' Mouse (reissued 1946-47)
8183 - September in the Rain (reissued 1943-44)
8310 - The Sneezing Weasel (3-12-38) (reissued 1947-48)
8403 - Now That Summer is Gone (5-14-38) (reissued 1947-48) (available on LTGC V4, disc 2)
8425 - Have You Got Any Castles (reissued 1947-48) (available on LTGC V2, disc 4)
8487 - Katnip Kollege (6-11-38) (reissued 1946-47) (available on LTGC V2, disc 4)
8506 - A Feud There Was (BR #1317, 9-24-38) (reissued 1953-54)
8597 - Johnny Smith and Poker-Huntas (10-22-38) (reissued 1946-47)
8599 - Little Pancho Vanilla (reissued 1948-49) (10-8-38) (available on LTGC V4, disc 2)
8683 - The Mice Will Play (12-31-38) (reissued 1949-50)
8745 - Dog Gone Modern (1-14-39) (reissued 1947-48)
8747 - A Day at the Zoo (BR #1308, 3-11-39) (reissued 1953-54)
8751 - Robin Hood Makes Good (2-11-39) (reissued 1946-47)
8753 - Thugs with Dirty Mugs (5-6-39) (reissued 1944-45) (original release was the first MM to have the name "Warner Bros." on scroll seen on main title)
8833 - Presto Change-o (3-25-39) (reissued 1948-49)
8859 - Hobo Gadget Band (5-27-39) (reissued 1948-49)
8863 - Dangerous Dan McFoo (7-15-39) (reissued 1948-49)
8929 - Sioux Me (9-9-39) (reissued 1950-51)
8931 - Little Brother Rat (9-2-39) (reissued 1946-47)
9099 - The Good Egg (10-21-39) (reissued 1946-47)
9101 - Fagin's Freshman (BR #1226, 11-18-39) (reissued 1951-52)
9103 - The Early Worm Gets the Bird (BR #1318, 1-13-40) (reissued 1953-54)
9105 - Little Lion Hunter (10-7-39) (reissued 1946-47)
9157 - The Curious Puppy (12-30-39) (reissued 1948-49)
9159 - Little Blabbermouse (7-6-40) (reissued 1948-49)
9161 - Fresh Fish (11-4-39) (reissued 1946-47)
9197 - Sniffles and the Bookworm (BR #1231, 12-2-39) (reissued 1951-52)
9425 - Tom Thumb in Trouble (BR #1175, 6-8-40) (reissued 1950-51) (available on LTGC V5, disc 2)
9593 - Circus Today (6-22-40) (reissued 1948-49)
9595 - The Egg Collector (7-20-40) (reissued 1949-50)
9635 - Bedtime for Sniffles (11-23-40) (reissued 1949-50)
9757 - Stage Fright (BR #1225, 9-28-40) (reissued 1951-52)
9771 - Of Fox and Hounds (BR #1362, 12-7-40) (reissued 1954-55)
9775 - The Fighting 69-1/2th (BR #1319, 1-18-41) (reissued 1953-54)
9855 - Sniffles Bells the Cat (2-1-41) (reissued 1947-48)
9857 - Farm Frolics (BR #1177, 5-10-41) (reissued 1950-51) (available on LTGC V5, disc 3)
9859 - The Cat's Tale (3-1-41) (reissued 1947-48)
9949 - Toy Trouble (BR #1176, 4-12-41) (reissued 1950-51)
9951 - Hollywood Steps Out (5-24-41) (reissued 1948-49) (available on LTGC V2, disc 4)

Cartoons that nearly made it onto DM's expanded list:
*The Isle of Pingo-Pongo (5-28-38) (reissued 1944-45)
(original opening titles and credits have recently been discovered)

Unfinished business:
*My Little Buckeroo (1-29-38) (reissued 1944-45)
*You're an Education (11-5-38) (reissued 1947-48) (available on LTGC V4, disc 2)
*Old Glory (BR #1363, 7-1-39) (reissued 1954-55) (available on LTGC V2, disc 3) (original ending title restored)
*Sniffles Takes a Trip (BR #1315, 5-11-40) (reissued 1953-54)
*Goofy Groceries (3-29-41) (reissued 1947-48) (available on LTGC V3, disc 2)

~Ben

[Boy Wonder]

Buckeroo is on LTGC V5 I believe on disc 3.

[Dave Mackey]

Wow! Someone's been going over my site with a fine-toothed comb.

My source for these numbers is the book "Vitaphone Films", released in 2003. I will eventually have the release numbers for all WB cartoons through the end of the studio - the studio did continue assigning release numbers, even though other numbers (the cartoon studio's production numbers) were shown on screen through the end of the original-studio releases.

[LooneyLover81]

Buckeroo is on LTGC V5 I believe on disc 3.

No it's not... that was directed by Friz Freleng. You must be thinking of Buckaroo Bugs.

[Boy Wonder]

No it's not... that was directed by Friz Freleng. You must be thinking of Buckaroo Bugs.

Close but no cigar. It's another cartoon I'm thinking of though, with "the bull-fighter". And trust me, if BB was a BR, then I would be shocked. Bugs' first whole cartoon at the house Porky built.

[Timber Wolf]

It's another cartoon I'm thinking of though, with "the bull-fighter".

That one was "Little Pancho Vanilla".

[Boy Wonder]

That one was "Little Pancho Vanilla".

A-ha, yes!

[jonmayo15]

Bugs' first whole cartoon at the house Porky built.Porky later bought a vacation home and only occasionly visited.

[Boy Wonder]

Porky later bought a vacation home and only occasionly visited.

Well, technically, MM could be the house Bugs built, so there ya go!

[Dave Mackey]

Cartoons that nearly made it onto DM's expanded list:
*The Isle of Pingo-Pongo (5-28-38) (reissued 1944-45)
(original opening titles and credits have recently been discovered)

Unfinished business:
*My Little Buckeroo (1-29-38) (reissued 1944-45)
*You're an Education (11-5-38) (reissued 1947-48) (available on LTGC V4, disc 2)
*Old Glory (BR #1363, 7-1-39) (reissued 1954-55) (available on LTGC V2, disc 3) (original ending title restored)
*Sniffles Takes a Trip (BR #1315, 5-11-40) (reissued 1953-54)
*Goofy Groceries (3-29-41) (reissued 1947-48) (available on LTGC V3, disc 2)

~Ben
My Little Buckeroo - 8227
You're an Education - 8681
Sniffles takes a Trip - 9367

[LooneyLover81]

Thanks Dave (for this progress so far)!

~Ben

[jonmayo15]

I wish I could make out the production number on my digital copy of "Pingo Pongo" but so far, no such luck.

[Dave Mackey]

Pettin' In The Park 5960
Goofy Groceries 9851

Only 30's missing are "Buddy's Bug Hunt" (which we have to get off the film), "Old Glory" and "The Isle of Pingo Pongo".

Only 40's missing are "Little Red Riding Rabbit" and "Bugs Bunny Rides Again" - can't get those off the film because by then the numbering was switched to the cartoon studio production numbers.

[Dave Mackey]

Pettin' In The Park 5960
Only 30's missing are "Buddy's Bug Hunt" (which we have to get off the film), "Old Glory" and "The Isle of Pingo Pongo".

The Isle of Pingo Pongo 8402

[Larry T]

Only 30's missing are "Buddy's Bug Hunt" (which we have to get off the film), "Old Glory" and "The Isle of Pingo Pongo".

Buddy's Bug Hunt: 6860

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg63/likmfurry/BuddysBugHunt.jpg

[Dave Mackey]

Buddy's Bug Hunt: 6860

Great Work! I knew someone had to have a print of the film out there. I've only got "Old Glory" from the 1930's to track down now, and that will probably happen next week when I hit Rutgers again.

[LooneyLover81]

Great Work! I knew someone had to have a print of the film out there. I've only got "Old Glory" from the 1930's to track down now, and that will probably happen next week when I hit Rutgers again.

And "The Isle of Pingo-Pongo". I hint "Old Glory" may bear a production # of 8921.

[Dave Mackey]

And "The Isle of Pingo-Pongo". I hint "Old Glory" may bear a production # of 8921.
Pingo Pongo, as mentioned a few messages ago, is 8402.

Old Glory is 9239.

Here's the complete list from 1930-1943. (http://www.davemackey.com/animation/wb/vitaphonenos.html)

Thank you and good afternoon.

[LooneyLover81]

Pingo Pongo, as mentioned a few messages ago, is 8402.

Old Glory is 9239.

Here's the complete list from 1930-1943. (http://www.davemackey.com/animation/wb/vitaphonenos.html)

Thank you and good afternoon.

Thank you, Dave. That means "Old Glory" has the honor of being the only 1938-39 season/green rings titles short with any 9000-range production number (all the other early 9000-range titles were from the 1939-40 season and had multicolored rings titles), and also the only WB animated short with any 9200-range production number.

[Dave Mackey]

The list (http://www.davemackey.com/animation/wb/vitaphonenos.html) now includes every Warner Bros. cartoon. It's important to note that these are not the numbers that appear at the start of the cartoons after 1943, but they're all here for completeness sake.

[Thad]

You are the MAN, Dave.

[Matt the Y]

Agreed. Thanks in advance for your untiring devotion to preserve "the classics" as much as possibly can. :)

[Nick]

Great work! I have to ask though, are those numbers any indication of what order the cartoons were made or are they what order they were scheduled to be released?

[LooneyLover81]

Great work! I have to ask though, are those numbers any indication of what order the cartoons were made or are they what order they were scheduled to be released?

I'm with you, as I too want to know what all those arbitrary numbers mean...

[Dave Mackey]

I'm with you, as I too want to know what all those arbitrary numbers mean...
The production numbers (like 11-13 or 1050) were assigned during production by the cartoon studio.

The release numbers (or Vitaphone numbers) were determined by Warner afterwards, but in some cases (shorts particularly) an onscreen number was needed to the projectionist could make sure the right Vitaphone disc was playing. The release numbers are in close order to actual release dates, and you'll find if you look at the list of just the cartoons a whole bunch of gaps, to account for features, comedy shorts like Joe McDoakes, and travelogues (which explains "Old Glory" with the only # in the 9200's). Bear in mind too that until after the war, WB assigned one number per reel on features. So a feature could be represented by multiple numbers.

[The "Chase"]

Dave, I too want to thank for want you are doing for us. I mean, if it wasn't for you, I wouldn't never guess that my mom shares the same birth month and day with Birds Anonymous.

By the way, could you try fixing the Production Order page. The sloppyness on there is mostly distracing.

[jonmayo15]

Uh, the "Pingo Pongo" titles copy I had is gone. Read my sig. I still have the audio on file.