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ebrand11
06-06-2008, 07:16 AM
So what are some cartoon series that evryone here dislikes. Only theatrical cartoons. No made for TV that discussion can go on forever. Heres a coupel of mine.
Tom and Jerry (MGM)
Any Castle Films Fables
Any Disney Movies, even though I respect them.
I can't think right now I'll post more later, but in the mean time evryone post some of there's.

J. J. Hunsecker
06-06-2008, 07:42 AM
In no particular order...


Van Beuren's Rainbow Parades
Van Beuren's Amos and Andy cartoons
Aesop's Fables and most Terrytoons
Gene Deitch's version of Tom & Jerry
Fleischer's Color Classics
MGM's Happy Harmonies
Looney Tunes cartoons by Seven Arts

FleischerFan
06-06-2008, 07:58 AM
I am often puzzled by the number of negative threads that get started here - (i.e. "worst" cartoons, "worst" characters, etc.) It does seem somewhat ironic on a site dedicated to a field which we are all supposed to love.

There are cartoons of which I am not especially fond. (The Daffy & Speedy cartoons spring immediately to mind). And on another thread, I was recently subjected to quite a bit of contraryness when I expressed my opinion that I am not very fond of "Hoppity/Mr. Bug Goes to Town.") But overall, I think I could find entries in most cartoon series that I find quite enjoyable.

There are a number of Flesicher Color Classics that I think rank with the best that studio produced ("Dancing on the Moon," "Christmas Comes But Once a Year," "All's Fair at the Fair," "Bunny Mooning," and others).

Right now, I am working my way through a collection of 42 Harman-Ising M-G-M cartoons. I find most of them amazing ("Swing Wedding," "Blue Danube," "Lonsome Stranger," and more).

The more I have seen of the Van Bueren cartoons, the more I have grown to appreciate them (especially their Tom & Jerry series).

But as evidenced by ebrand's initial post, there are those who dislike M-G-M's Tom & Jerry and the Disney animated features, two series which I would rank among animation's greatest.

Certainly, it takes all kinds of tastes and one cannot be wrong when expressing a personal opinion in matters of taste. But I am puzzled at the delight in focusing on what we think is bad rather than what we really enjoy in cartoons.

Anyone have any insight?

ebrand11
06-06-2008, 08:03 AM
i thought of some more:
Toonerville (Van Buren)
Fleischer Color Classics
Screen Songs (Famous)
Little Audrey (famous)

Thanks for jarring my memory.

Duck Dodgers
06-06-2008, 08:07 AM
I hate almost everything made by WB in the Sixties: the Daffy and Speedy team, Cool Cat and all the other series they came out in that decade;
I can't stand Casper and Little Audrey, even if a few of their entries are quite enjoable;
The Tom and Jerry shorts not by H-B.

ebrand11
06-06-2008, 08:09 AM
I am often puzzled by the number of negative threads that get started here - (i.e. "worst" cartoons, "worst" characters, etc.) It does seem somewhat ironic on a site dedicated to a field which we are all supposed to love.


But as evidenced by ebrand's initial post, there are those who dislike M-G-M's Tom & Jerry and the Disney animated features, two series which I would rank among animation's greatest.

Certainly, it takes all kinds of tastes and one cannot be wrong when expressing a personal opinion in matters of taste. But I am puzzled at the delight in focusing on what we think is bad rather than what we really enjoy in cartoons.

Anyone have any insight?

I apologize for offending anyone who like what I wrote I don't, but I think that theres nothing wrong with just stating ones opinion. Furthermore I am the first to defend all classic cartoons, but there are some I dislike. With that being said the Walt Disney features are perhaps the greatest animation ever produced. I just don't personally like them. Sorry once again if If I offended you or anyone else. And I do write positive threads too

CueBallCat79
06-06-2008, 09:50 AM
How about this guys: instead of just listing a bunch of stuff that you "hate", why not actually explain what you don't like about them. Give this thread some substance.

ebrand11
06-06-2008, 11:03 AM
How about this guys: instead of just listing a bunch of stuff that you "hate", why not actually explain what you don't like about them. Give this thread some substance.

It seems like this thread was a bad idea. My bad now I know for the future.

Dell Comics Fan
06-06-2008, 02:41 PM
How about this guys: instead of just listing a bunch of stuff that you "hate", why not actually explain what you don't like about them. Give this thread some substance.

Yeah, I second that. There's nothing wrong with constructive criticism, but to simply dislike something is like comparing apples and oranges. One
person's most favorite cartoon is apt to be someone's else's least favorite.

Leviathan
06-06-2008, 03:01 PM
I think most of the series/cartoons being named here suffer from being poorly-animated, bland, dull, boring, mediocre, treacly, poorly-written, or any combination thereof.

Myslef? Aside from Pudgy, certain post-strike Disney shorts, the post-64 Warners and a few others, I can't say I hate most Golden Age animation. I might not like some series as much as others, but hate is too strong a word to use for them.

Matthew Hunter
06-06-2008, 03:02 PM
How about this guys: instead of just listing a bunch of stuff that you "hate", why not actually explain what you don't like about them. Give this thread some substance.

Well now THAT'S a novel concept. Thanks, CueballCat! Everybody listen to this guy!:tomcat:

J Lee
06-06-2008, 04:08 PM
Luno the Flying Horse – Bad 60s animation; dull character layouts, without even the energy of Ralph Bakshi’s Terrytoons designs; insipid stories; childish dialogue; voices that seem to be targeting the 1963-version of the Nick, Jr., demo. And the amazing part is it was such a bad idea Paramount immediately tried to rip it off with Laddy and His Lamp (which, thankfully, only made it to two cartoons, so it doesn’t count as a series).

oceansoul
06-06-2008, 04:27 PM
So what are some cartoon series that evryone here dislikes. Only theatrical cartoons. No made for TV that discussion can go on forever. Heres a coupel of mine.
Tom and Jerry (MGM)
Any Castle Films Fables
Any Disney Movies, even though I respect them.
I can't think right now I'll post more later, but in the mean time evryone post some of there's.

No offence, but you opened the zillionth "worst" thread just to tell us you don't like Tom and Jerry and Disney films? :confused:

Bugsy-Kun
06-06-2008, 04:54 PM
I think we made a topic like that a few months ago but oh well, here's my leasts favourites:

Pluto-only cartoons because that's just childlish and not funny at all especially with some annoying animals. At least, with Mickey Mouse, he have credits.
The Casper shorts series except for the wild-takes when they see Casper.
Sylvester when it's featuring Sylvester Jr. or Hippety Hopper (except "Hoppy Go Lucky")

J. J. Hunsecker
06-06-2008, 07:03 PM
I am often puzzled by the number of negative threads that get started here - (i.e. "worst" cartoons, "worst" characters, etc.) It does seem somewhat ironic on a site dedicated to a field which we are all supposed to love.

There are cartoons of which I am not especially fond. (The Daffy & Speedy cartoons spring immediately to mind). And on another thread, I was recently subjected to quite a bit of contraryness when I expressed my opinion that I am not very fond of "Hoppity/Mr. Bug Goes to Town.") But overall, I think I could find entries in most cartoon series that I find quite enjoyable.

There are a number of Flesicher Color Classics that I think rank with the best that studio produced ("Dancing on the Moon," "Christmas Comes But Once a Year," "All's Fair at the Fair," "Bunny Mooning," and others).

Right now, I am working my way through a collection of 42 Harman-Ising M-G-M cartoons. I find most of them amazing ("Swing Wedding," "Blue Danube," "Lonsome Stranger," and more).

The more I have seen of the Van Bueren cartoons, the more I have grown to appreciate them (especially their Tom & Jerry series).

But as evidenced by ebrand's initial post, there are those who dislike M-G-M's Tom & Jerry and the Disney animated features, two series which I would rank among animation's greatest.

Certainly, it takes all kinds of tastes and one cannot be wrong when expressing a personal opinion in matters of taste. But I am puzzled at the delight in focusing on what we think is bad rather than what we really enjoy in cartoons.

Anyone have any insight?

And

How about this guys: instead of just listing a bunch of stuff that you "hate", why not actually explain what you don't like about them. Give this thread some substance.

Okay, here goes. If it's a struggle to get through a DVD of said cartoons, I know something is wrong. I rented the "Somewhere in Dreamland" DVD that had the Fleischer Color Classics, and I found them to lack everything I like about the Fleischer Cartoons. They weren't surreal or funny, but instead poorly imitated Silly Symphonies type cartoons. Unfortunately, they couldn't capture what made the Disney cartoons so good in the mid to late 30's. The animation looked even cruder than in their other series. The Fleischers went far afield from what they did best in making these cartoons -- it's like watching a borscht belt comedian struggle with reciting a Shakespearian soliloquy.

Years ago I watched the entire DVD of "Cartoons That Time Forgot: From the Van Beuren Studio", and I didn't enjoy a single cartoon. The cartoons are ugly and poorly animated, even for the early thirties. The "stories" are also bland, and humorless. There are only a few exceptions where the cartoon was interesting or contained some better animation, but for the most part they are just bad. That there was a character actually named Molly Moo Cow in their cartoons should tell you something. Molly Moo Cow!?! Yes, someone actually came up with the name Molly Moo Cow.

The Amos and Andy cartoons from Van Beuren are even worse than their typical crude product. They are poorly animated talk fests, and they could have been shot in live action. Uglier and duller than a typical Van Beuren cartoon is quite a feat, though.

I don't think anyone needs an explanation as to why the Gene Deitch Tom & Jerry cartoons are bad. They came from the depths of hell to unintentionally scare audiences.

I always have trouble sitting through a Terrytoon. I really don't know what fans see in these cartoons. Through a "garage sale" (ahem) I got to see many of these cartoons that aren't available anywhere else. There is not one cartoon I would consider to be good, never mind a classic. The animation is usually sloppy and uneven; some scenes in the 40's cartoons even look like a throwback to the 20's style of animation. The early Aesop's Fables are the worst to me. I know some people like how bizarre they can be, but the meandering stream-of-consciousness that passes for plot annoys me. These cartoons just seem to grind on, without any purpose. Farmer Al Falfa is a non-entity, so it's surprising how many cartoons he has appeared in. (Caveat: I do enjoy some of the Heckle and Jeckle cartoons, though. The watercolor backgrounds in the Terrytoons also look very nice.)

Happy Harmonies is the direct opposite of the Terrytoons, but has it's own set of problems. I love the slick animation and visuals, but Hugh Harmon can't tell a story or even a joke to save his life. He wastes so many opportunities, and the animation is always labored, like Harmon wants to show off, rather than define characters or tell stories. When the characters sing in these cartoons it's almost unbearable to me. Even the Warner cartoons that had to use a musical number don't bother me as much as the all singing Happy Harmonies. There are some exceptions, though. I like Swing Wedding, and a few other cartoons. But overall, Harmon and Ising had a poor track record.

The Seven Arts Looney Tunes are depressing because they're the wheezing, geriatric last gasp of a once great cartoon series. The budgets are so low that the finished cartoons resemble bad Saturday Morning animation. The new cartoon characters, like Bunny and Clyde or Merlin the Magic Mouse, were dull and uninspired. I give them this though, design-wise the characters weren't so bad (sorta like early H-B), especially compared with today's animation designs.

Thad
06-06-2008, 07:51 PM
I'm feeling a bit of deja-vu here, and puzzled why anything of substance should be offered on cartoons that completely lack it but...

Just about any 1930-35 Warner cartoon. I used to find Bosko entertaining and likeable, but that was until I started seeing cartoons by Fleischer's. They were way ahead in terms of everything. Bosko's just Mickey on valium. The less said about Buddy and the Merrie Melodies by Friz, the better.

Any 1964-69 Warner cartoon. No comment here.

Chuck Jones' Tom & Jerry. The Deitch cartoons are at least fun for camp value and for the sheer feat of having escaped from the Seventh Circle of Hell. Jones's are just pretentious and boring. The layouts scream effeminate kitsch too.

Most Disney cartoons. There's strong landmarks in the 1930s and scattered throughout the Goofy series, but whoever actually watches Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck or Pluto and laughs? The stories are inane and the animation often artless. At a certain point, even the animation in Famous Studios cartoons is more artful than Disney's.

Most UPA cartoons. After Hubley gets blacklisted, it's just avante garde B.S. I can draw better high.

Disney's Sleeping Beauty. I couldn't stay awake, the Nichols cartoons are exciting by comparison.

larriva9/11
06-06-2008, 07:52 PM
Years ago I watched the entire DVD of "Cartoons That Time Forgot: From the Van Beuren Studio", and I didn't enjoy a single cartoon. The cartoons are ugly and poorly animated, even for the early thirties. The "stories" are also bland, and humorless. There are only a few exceptions where the cartoon was interesting or contained some better animation, but for the most part they are just bad. That there was a character actually named Molly Moo Cow in their cartoons should tell you something. Molly Moo Cow!?! Yes, someone actually came up with the name Molly Moo Cow.

Although I do recall, maybe a quarter century ago, that the Molly Moo Cow character actually seemed to have a cult following among those who'd worship the likes of Big Ethel as an unsung dyke icon, etc...

Matthew Hunter
06-06-2008, 08:13 PM
I'm surprised nobody's mentioned CASPER.

If you want to torture me, show me a Casper the Ghost cartoon. The cartoons are almost devoid of humor, and they don't look particularly interesting either. It's hard to believe that the same studio responsible for Popeye and Herman and Katnip could create something so bland. If ever there was a reason to call Ghostbusters, it's Casper!:eek:

Matt the Y
06-06-2008, 09:03 PM
Well, here goes for me.....

Casper - The exact same reasons Matthew Hunter gave. Besides, Casper the character himself is pretty bland and uninteresting and even the wild takes themselves (performed by the other characters who react to Casper) are too exaggerated and overblown as if the creators are trying to imitate Tex Avery without fully "getting" Tex's comedic approach and executing it all wrong.

Rudy Larriva's Road Runner cartoons - Larriva took a brilliant genius series like Chuck Jones' Road Runner shorts and completely bastardized and destroyed it with his use of horrible animation, sluggish and luckluster timing, worn-out and unfunny gags, and overall complete misunderstanding of what made the series work. A true atrocity among animation if ever there was one. "Just Plane Beep" and "Clippety Clobbered" are among the worst cartoons ever.

Daffy/Speedy - What was the point? Daffy Duck was a great comic character with potential, appeal, and personality; why'd they have to destroy all of that by pairing him with Speedy and putting him through the mill with a bunch of unfunny, horrible cartoons like "Moby Duck", "Well Worn Daffy", "Chili Corn Corny", "A Squeak in the Deep", "Speedy Ghost to Town", "Go Away Stowaway", or "See Ya Later Gladiator"? All of these films did very little for both characters other than completely tarnish their reputations as animated stars!

Mighty Mouse - TerryToon's answer to Casper; uninspired stories with little humor, cookie-cutter formulae, and a character with little going for him at all (very little personality or inspiration) other than a simple need to succeed just because. No, thanks; I'll take Heckle and Jeckle instead.

nickramer
06-06-2008, 09:18 PM
For least favorites series,

Ludo because of the weak stories. Who would want to hear a story about a poor pirate?

Early Caspers- With a couple of exceptions, the early ones from up to 1956 are repetitive and it looks like the Harvey Publishing company felt the same way as they made improvements after the first few years of the ghost's comic book. I did like how they mock the process in the limated animated cheater "Ghost Writers".

Molly Moo Cow- People keep saying that Pluto's whole series stinks. I say they're wrong. Compared to this "Bovineian Pluto knock-off" (to quote Malten), the pooch's series is first rate.

Matt the Y
06-06-2008, 09:19 PM
Boy, If I had a dollar for every time he brings this up...:rolleyes:

What's wrong with him bringing it up? He's entitled to his opinion.

nickramer
06-06-2008, 09:50 PM
What's wrong with him bringing it up? He's entitled to his opinion.
It's just that I'm getting tired of his "Disney is the bottom of the barrel " posts on his blog and it's making me get less interested in his blog. Of course, I'm sure Thad (and everyone else) is getting tired of my rants and me being an overprotected mother hen for my love for these shorts.

It's just that I just can't help to defend these shorts and I'm one of the last of the fans of these cartoons, at least on this fourm. I grew up with Mickey and the gang. They haven't been on TV much during this decade unlike the Looney Tunes. So sorry for being a pain in the neck.

Leviathan
06-06-2008, 10:08 PM
The most irritating part is that my affection for the old Disney shorts is similar to nickramer's.

Matthew Hunter
06-06-2008, 11:04 PM
It's just that I'm getting tired of his "Disney is the bottom of the barrel " posts on his blog and it's making me get less interested in his blog. Of course, I'm sure Thad (and everyone else) is getting tired of my rants and me being an overprotected mother hen for my love for these shorts.

It's just that I just can't help to defend these shorts and I'm one of the last of the fans of these cartoons, at least on this fourm. I grew up with Mickey and the gang. They haven't been on TV much during this decade unlike the Looney Tunes. So sorry for being a pain in the neck.

It's funny how these things can be so personal to people. Like or hate whatever you want, it's not like the world is going to end if you don't like Mickey Mouse.

Mr. Semaj
06-06-2008, 11:50 PM
Put me third behind Nickramer and Levithan.

-Most Donald Duck/vermin pairings: Seriously, why are we expected to root for a bee or a chipmunk duet who have nothing better to do than ruin Donald's life? Even when Donald starts a fight, he still doesn't deserve half the abuse he gets.

-Some Tom & Jerrys: Namely the ones where the whole world gangs up on Tom. That goes double choconilla with sprinkles for the Gene Deitch series.

-Some Tweety & Sylvesters: Same reason as Tom & Jerry.

-Herman & Katnip: Damn-near every tale is the same thing.

-The Seven Arts Looney Tunes: No creative or artistic merit at all. Especially when Alex Lovy and Billy Hendricks showed up, they made feeble attempts to replace the mainstream characters.

Duck Dodgers
06-07-2008, 04:07 AM
I'm surprised nobody's mentioned CASPER.


I did. Hate that little fellow. Death (again) to him.

Duck Dodgers
06-07-2008, 04:11 AM
Most Disney cartoons. There's strong landmarks in the 1930s and scattered throughout the Goofy series, but whoever actually watches Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck or Pluto and laughs? The stories are inane and the animation often artless. At a certain point, even the animation in Famous Studios cartoons is more artful than Disney's.



About time someone started to say that!!
I agree with all heart! Sure I like, even love, several of the Disney shorts but, really, at the best they can suggest a smile.

oceansoul
06-07-2008, 06:15 AM
Actually Donald was a very funny character on his own. I like his wartime cartoons like Der Fuehrer's Face, and I like the Humphrey Bear cartoons too with him (especially Rugged Bear). Also some good King cartoons like Donald's Dilemma and such.

Bugsy-Kun
06-07-2008, 08:19 AM
Donald is the only Disney character when i can laugh with a passion. The cartoons are very well made and much creative than the Mickey and Pluto shorts even if we live with this cartoons.

Matt the Y
06-07-2008, 11:02 AM
Count me in as another Donald advocater. Donald himself is a hilarious character; unlike Mickey Mouse, he has no concience at all and shows no mercy. It's just unfortunate that he didn't have get a chance to live up to his potential all too often (like when director Jack Hannah chose to stick him with chipmunks and bees as sidekicks ad nauseum and thought we were supposed to root for THEM instead of him for some ungodly reason).

Goofy is without a doubt my favorite of the Disney empire but Donald Duck deserves more credit than he gets. Some of the Donald pictures ARE generally funny such as "Fire Chief", "The Vanishing Private", "Der Fuehrer's Face", "Fall Out Fall In", "Trombone Trouble" (Donald at his finest!), "Commando Duck" (ignore the stereotypes!), "The Clock Watcher", "The Eyes Have It", "Donald's Crime", "Duck Pimples", "Donald's Double Trouble", "Clown of the Jungle", "Drip Dippy Donald", "Hook Lion and Sinker" (Hannah's screwiest picture ever!), "The New Neighbor", any of the DD/Humphrey Bear pairings, "Spare the Rod" (Hannah's 2nd screwiest), "Donald's Diary", "No Hunting" (Hannah's most drop-dead-funniest picture!), and "How to Have an Accident in the Home".

FleischerFan
06-07-2008, 01:55 PM
I apologize for offending anyone who like what I wrote I don't, but I think that theres nothing wrong with just stating ones opinion. Never said I was offended. I said it was ironic, which is an observation and not an emotional reaction. As I mentioned in my original post, I got raked over the coals in another forum for posting that I was less than thrilled with "Hoppity/Mr. Bug Goes to Town."

Of course, there's nothing wrong with expressing one's opinion. It is interesting to see concrete evidence that one man's meat is another man's poison.

I also think there's a difference between finding cartoons watchable and "loving" them. For example, I generally enjoy the Mighty Mouse cartoons. I understand that they are far from the top echelon of animation. I don't find the criticism that they are formula driven to be particularly valid as tons of great cartoon series were built on formulas (Popeye, Roadrunner, Bugs & Elmer, Tom & Jerry, and many, many more). That you may find a particular formula dull or univentive is quite understandable and perhaps a more valid observation.

I'm not real fond of most of the Pluto solo cartoons. I don't like Donald's "Bee" pictures. Yes, most Caspers are tedious and treacly. And the less said about Pudgy, the better.

But I am hard pressed to find that many series where I could write off every entry. I always seem to find at least a handful of redeeming titles in any series. Maybe I just have a low threshold of entertainment.

J.J. - While my reaction to them is different, I totally understand your reaction to the Fleischer Color Classics. I obviously enjoy most of them more than you do - and the majority pale next to the very best of the Betty Boops, Popeyes, & Supermans. But I genuinely enjoyed the Somewhere in Dreamland DVD and have watched it more than once.

Thad - I will also disagree about Sleeping Beauty. This is a Disney feature that I have grown more fond of with every passing year - especially now that there is a widescreen version available for home viewing. I love the backgrounds and Malificent's metamorphosis into the dragon at the film's climax is one of my favorite "magic moments" from any Disney film.

As for Mickey Mouse, I love the vast majority of his black & white films and the color films up through "Symphony Hour." I have also liked some of his more modern excursions including "Mickey's Christmas Carol," "Prince & the Pauper," and "Runaway Brain."

CueBallCat79
06-07-2008, 02:38 PM
As for Mickey Mouse, I love the vast majority of his black & white films and the color films up through "Symphony Hour." I have also liked some of his more modern excursions including "Mickey's Christmas Carol," "Prince & the Pauper," and "Runaway Brain."

As far as Mickey goes thats exactly how I feel too.

Thad
06-07-2008, 02:46 PM
Someone I know spliced about 20 minutes out of a print of Sleeping Beauty. As a result, it was a much better and less plodding film.

BTW, the widescreen DVD of Sleeping Beauty cropped off a good chunk of the bottom of the picture.

Dell Comics Fan
06-07-2008, 02:59 PM
I liked the Disney cartoons that featured the trio comprised of Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and Goofy ("Moving Day," "Hawaiian Holiday," "Lonesome Ghosts," "Mickey's Trailer," "Mickey's Birthday Party," and
even the more recent "Mickey's Christmas Carol," "The Prince and the
Pauper" and "The Three Musketeers"). I thought their personalities
complemented each other nicely.

ebrand11
06-07-2008, 06:31 PM
What's wrong with him bringing it up? He's entitled to his opinion.
Thanks alot. Your one of the first to defend me on my blog. I should've never written it. I assumed this thread was dead so i didn't check it for a day but now four pages! When I wrote Disney movies I meant the feature films, most computer animation, and some clasic ones. To me there just childish and I just don't appreciate them. However I love the mickey Mouse Black and White shorts and Donald Duck too. That wasn't what I was referring too. I didn't clarify and I understand why some people take it so personally. But the reason I don't like Tom and Jerry is that there just not funny and don't appeal to me like Droopy or the Tex Avery cartoons. Screen Songs I dislike because I'm never a real fan of musicals. The Fleischer Color Classics I just find boring, and thats probably because the only copies I have are poor quality pd releases. I hope this clarifies everything for everyone and I promise never to do any negative threads again.:(

Speedy Boris
06-07-2008, 09:38 PM
Rudy Larriva's Road Runner cartoons - Larriva took a brilliant genius series like Chuck Jones' Road Runner shorts and completely bastardized and destroyed it with his use of horrible animation, sluggish and luckluster timing, worn-out and unfunny gags, and overall complete misunderstanding of what made the series work. A true atrocity among animation if ever there was one. "Just Plane Beep" and "Clippety Clobbered" are among the worst cartoons ever. Y'know, McKimson's two RR shorts were actually pretty good for the time periods in which they were made, and they look like works of art compared to the Larriva RRs. "A Squeak in the Deep" I -did- like that one, if only for the scene where Speedy paddles Daffy's butt repeatedly with the baseball bat until he agrees to be partners. That proved McKimson still had some good comic timing in him.

Surenity
06-08-2008, 01:12 AM
Tweety Bird: I've always actively disliked Tweety Bird. I haven't really seen one cartoon he's in that I've liked. I root for Sylvester in all of them but this is a fruitless effort. Tweety's voice and his personality just gets under my skin.

Foghorn Leghorn: His cartoons are just unfunny to me for the most part.

Roadrunner & Wile E. Coyote: I think it should have stayed as a one-shot cartoon. The first one was funny but every cartoon after that was more of the same.

Most Mickey Mouse cartoons: I like the old ones up through the early 30's, after that they just seemed humorless. I like Goofy and Donald much better.

A lot of the Happy Harmonies: There are some that I actually like, but a lot of them are boring, and all follow the same basic storyline except instead of one being about bees its about chickens or mice or elves, they just changed the species. I like the ones that have different stories to them.

Casper cartoons: It's just like with the Roadrunner ones, they kept telling the same story over and over. It would have been fine if it were just a one-shot, or if they followed the comics which I've heard were more interesting.

Most Bugs and Daffy cartoons (where they're together): I hate it when Daffy is just there to be the butt of all the jokes. I like Bugs and Daffy both very much separately, but Bugs becomes a jerk whenever Daffy is around. Sorry to those who like these ones. I will say I like the one where at the end Bugs and Daffy both decide that it's "Elmer Season".

Most Famous Studios Popeye cartoons: Most people dislike these. They started running out of ideas in the 1950's it seems.


And you know, I think I like Gene Deitch Tom and Jerry's for the same reason I like He-Man and She-Ra, they're so bad and strange they're funny.

Thad
06-08-2008, 04:07 PM
One more 'series' I can't believe I forgot.
All 1933-41 Scrappy and Krazy Kat (and other B/W Columbia's). These are probably the most vile cartoons ever produced in the classic Hollywood era. Especially those later Al Rose directed ones that seem to try to be some hollow attempt at using Mel Blanc to carry an animated version of the Jack Benny Show. Some of the Color Rhapsodies are at least entertainingly weird though.

Lee Glover
06-10-2008, 03:47 PM
I've enough trouble trying to watch an entire UPA one-shot. These cartoons are really the case of "style over substance", with the stylised animation trying miserably to make up for the weak story (Unicorn in the Garden is one example, itself being a one-joke idea unbelievably stretched to six minutes).

Also, the Weiss-era Terrytoons hardly grabs my attention. Naff limited animation, bland & unfunny stories, and the atrocious (and cheap) musical scores. The Terry-era cartoons may be the "bottom of the barrel" as well, but it least they have some redeeming features, such as the gorgeous watercolour backgrounds.

The Allan Rose efforts are some of my least faves too. IMO he must be the most pedestrian director ever. Paul J. Smith may be one of the worst directors, but I found more good things in his Beary Family shorts than Rose's Krazy Kat cartoons.

J. J. Hunsecker
06-10-2008, 06:46 PM
(Unicorn in the Garden is one example, itself being a one-joke idea unbelievably stretched to six minutes).
You'd have to blame James Thurber for that, since he wrote the original story, and not UPA, who only adapted it.

guesswho
06-10-2008, 08:11 PM
Disney ripped off these two Famous cartoons BIG TIME. I watch the Disney versions but Fleischer and Famous is better sometimes, even if it's formulaic and sometimes mediocre.

The Aristocats

vs.

Kitty Kornered
http://thadkomorowski.com/2008/06/06/good-ol-fashioned-cartoon-plagiarism-kitty-cornered/



Jack and Old Mac

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HpjsUs5wObQ

vs.

you guessed it!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ey5qexVQ6Vk

I know it's a folk song that was used long before the 1945 adaption, but the idea of having a band in two cartoons is kind of ripping off each other.



High School Musical also plagirizes Grease.


I like Disney but there needs to be a comedic but thereating series of spoof ads done by a Viacom-owned sketch comedy where the Disney headquartes and parks blow up (litterally, as in a bomb blow-up) like the Jack in the Box microphone in the 1980's Jack in the Box fast-food resturant commercials.



I think Disney and Viacom should have a lawsuit IF they partner with the revived in-name Fleischer Studios (not to be confused with the orginial Fleischer Studios that was taken over by Paramount)- or if [I]Fairly OddParents creator Butch Hartman buys out the company, renames it after him and his last name becomes a household name.


Another thing is Viacom should sue Disney for putting their cartoons on the Kit Parker sets, due to music issues.

oceansoul
06-11-2008, 04:17 AM
OK, here is mine. Pretty long list, which should indicate I don't like cartoons at all, but I bet most of you feel the same way. Generally LT shorts are not that good before 42 and after 58.

WB:

Pepe le Pew - this character is very gayish, unfunny, can't stand him at all. Even stinks for a one-shot, but as a series, it's a pain. I can only watch For Scent-imental Reasons and Really Scent from this series.

Post-64 Road Runner - I'm not a big fan of Chuck's later Road Runner cartoons, but at least they have some good timing and gags. The non-Chuck ones are worthless and bad.

Most Tweety and Yosemite Sam cartoons from the 50s. I love Clampett Tweety, and early-Freleng Tweety, but with the addition of Granny, and giving lifeless stories to a hapless hermaphrodite bird is just not funny. Yosemite Sam cartoons are not funny, at least after 1952.

Hippety Hopper - an already flawed plot combined with unfunny stories and spotty direction.

Pre-57 Foghorn - They were funny until 1953, a soft spot in my heart. After 1957/58, the series was just as bad as other McKimson cartoons at this time.

Speedy/Sylvester and most Speedy/Daffys - I'm one of the few ones who can stand (a few cartoons of) the D/S more, than the 60s awful Speedy/Sylvester cartoons. It doesn't say too much, actually Speedy cartoons were bad after a strong start in the 50s.

7 Arts Looney Tunes - they are bad, reminiscent to the awful H-B cartoons.

Most pre-38 Loooney Tunes, fat Porky, Bosco, Buddy - ugly and dull.

Taz - not funny and overrated.

MGM:

Such boobs like The Stork's Holiday, Ol' Doc Donkey shorts, Bats in the Belfry, most H-B short that not made with Tom and Jerry. Some Happy Harmonies are bad as well, but I don't generally dislike them.

Avery's Tomorrow series - they are unwatchable, despite Avery's presence.

Gene Deitch and Chuck Jones T&Js for obvious reasosns.

Disney:

Donald cartoons with Chip and Dale, or bees and other minor critters. Not funny and disturbing.

Pluto cartoons.

I'm not that familiar with other studios (:o), so no particular likes or dislikes. Shame on me.

larriva9/11
06-11-2008, 07:48 PM
Most Tweety and Yosemite Sam cartoons from the 50s. I love Clampett Tweety, and early-Freleng Tweety, but with the addition of Granny, and giving lifeless stories to a hapless hermaphrodite bird is just not funny. Yosemite Sam cartoons are not funny, at least after 1952.

Although Hare Trimmed is pretty good for having that "lethal" combination of Sam + Granny...

oceansoul
06-12-2008, 04:16 AM
Although Hare Trimmed is pretty good for having that "lethal" combination of Sam + Granny...

Interestingly, yes.