Jerry Beck on Stu's show on shokus 4 PM today.

[Chow Hound]

This link (http://tvshowsondvd.com/news/Site-News-Stu%27s-Show-Jerry-Beck/9069) to tvshowsondvd has the details.

[bj_wanlund]

First Big News:

CROWING PAINS is on LTGCv6! AND they restored the ORIGINAL TITLES!!! I'M SHRIEKING HERE!!!

BJ

[Bugsy-Kun]

First Big News:

CROWING PAINS is on LTGCv6! AND they restored the ORIGINAL TITLES!!! I'M SHRIEKING HERE!!!

BJ

Oh my!! That's a great new and with their original titles!! Hope to find a Foghorn disc this year! :foggy:

[Duck Dodgers]

First Big News:

CROWING PAINS is on LTGCv6! AND they restored the ORIGINAL TITLES!!! I'M SHRIEKING HERE!!!

BJ

Not only that. The REAL news is that there's gonna be new animation (from what I'm understanding some gag during the opening title card or so) unseen since the initial release.

[Chow Hound]

I hope this points to a Foghorn Disc on the set!

[jonmayo15]

I can't even tell you how happy I am right now. More missing footage restored, hooray!:D Do you now if I could hear the broadcast somewhere online?

[ohmahaaha]

I hope this points to a Foghorn Disc on the set!
A ... I say, A-MEN!!

Foggy really is overdue for a decent amount of screen time in the Golden Collection.

[Chow Hound]

I can't even tell you how happy I am right now. More missing footage restored, hooray!:D Do you now if I could hear the broadcast somewhere online?http://www.shokusradio.com/

[Bugsy-Kun]

http://www.shokusradio.com/

Thank you! I put it in my favs.

[bj_wanlund]

Scoop #2: Another 2-Disc Popeye coming out this year! NOT aimed at collectors, but the general public. Includes Popeye and Son!

[Duck Dodgers]

Scoop #2: Another 2-Disc Popeye coming out this year! NOT aimed at collectors, but the general public. Includes Popeye and Son!

No "Gulliver's Travels" among the bonus of Popeye 2.

[nickramer]

Full list of Popeye vol.2 will be posted tonight and as I expected, "Gulliver's Travels" will NOT be on the set (neither will be John K's commentaries).

[jonmayo15]

Original titles for Isle of Pingo Pongo was also just found in Warners vaults! But its chances of being on DVD :(

[Bugsy-Kun]

Superman: The Mechanical Monsters was on bonus features from the Popeye set with their original titles like he said.

[Leviathan]

Robert Mckimson hasn't really fared that well as far as restored BR's go, so Crowing Pains is a real delight.

[jonmayo15]

Yeah he's only had one, The Foghorn Leghorn

[Mark J]

Yeah he's only had one, The Foghorn Leghorn

No - three: The Foghorn Leghorn, Walky Talky Hawky, and Broken Leghorn. Definitely a Foghorn shortage!

This is GREAT news. It sounds like there will probably be a Foghorn disc :foggy: on LTGC 6, which is great for us. That should also help sales with the general public, since a lot of people have fond memories of Foghorn from his constant presence on Saturday morning TV.

[Leviathan]

No - three: The Foghorn Leghorn, Walky Talky Hawky, and Broken Leghorn. Definitely a Foghorn shortage!


The Foghorn Leghorn was the only BR-reissued McKimson to be restored with original titles on the sets.

1947 was particularly bad year for BR reissues in general (Tweetie Pie, anyone?) with most of the non-Bugs shorts having their credits hacked, so seeing one from that year is a double delight.

[jonmayo15]

No - three: The Foghorn Leghorn, Walky Talky Hawky, and Broken Leghorn. Definitely a Foghorn shortage!

This is GREAT news. It sounds like there will probably be a Foghorn disc :foggy: on LTGC 6, which is great for us. That should also help sales with the general public, since a lot of people have fond memories of Foghorn from his constant presence on Saturday morning TV.

I meant restored blue ribbons directed by McKimson.:D

[tristar]

The extras for Popeye v2 have just been announced!!! Can't wait for the set!:D
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/classic/popeye-vol-2-bonus-materials

[Mark J]

I meant restored blue ribbons directed by McKimson.:D

Sorry! I misunderstood you. You are correct of course. It is sad that there have only been three Foghorns total on 5 sets. This restoration will be great!!!

[Leviathan]

Well, it's over. It was fun, a couple of tidbits (Crowing Pains), some rather cryptic ones left unexplained (the "lots of problems" with the Popeyes), and lots of great comments from Jerry.

[CyberFox]

can some one please write down what jerry said on the show

[Daws Butler Jr.]

Full list of Popeye vol.2 will be posted tonight and as I expected, "Gulliver's Travels" will NOT be on the set (neither will be John K's commentaries).

I'm delighted John K's been cut. I just tried to watch the commentary on "Lost and Foundry", and first, it's obvious they never prepared to do the commentary, like maybe, watching the cartoon before the session... and second, that giggling girl is horrible. This is the only commentary on the whole first set that I had to turn off!

Also, the commentary on Popeye Meets Sinbad, as much as I like Eddie Fitzgerald personally, he didn't have any idea what the turntable was. How can you do a track on a Fleischer cartoon and not know what the turntable is?

That was a good call, for whatever reason.

[Thad]

and second, that giggling girl is horrible. This is the only commentary on the whole first set that I had to turn off!

Dating John K. buys you favors.

Eddie's commentaries alone are usually pretty insightful and fun. (You can count "Wackiki Wabbit" since John only grunts about three times throughout it.) I hope he does more.

Who else loved that guy singing off with a 'thank-you' regard this?

[Ray Pointer]

I'm delighted John K's been cut. I just tried to watch the commentary on "Lost and Foundry", and first, it's obvious they never prepared to do the commentary, like maybe, watching the cartoon before the session... and second, that giggling girl is horrible. This is the only commentary on the whole first set that I had to turn off!

Also, the commentary on Popeye Meets Sinbad, as much as I like Eddie Fitzgerald personally, he didn't have any idea what the turntable was. How can you do a track on a Fleischer cartoon and not know what the turntable is?
That was a good call, for whatever reason.

That's why I was called in on the new release of Academy Award nominees. Too bad they didn't call me in on the POPEYE disc. But the deed is done.

[MF TOON]

Scoop #2: Another 2-Disc Popeye coming out this year! NOT aimed at collectors, but the general public. Includes Popeye and Son!

So will this just include the non-Fleischer 'toons?

I guess not surprisingly, WHV has decided not to follow through with their announced plans for releasing complete chronological sets of all the Popeye theatrical and television series in their respective order?

Will this just be a sampling of various color Popeyes in the vein of a 'Premiere Collection' or will this be the context that WHV releases their television cartoons?

Eitherway, Popeye and Son was a god awful tv show and I can happily live my life without ever seeing it again in any incarnation!

[MF TOON]

"lots of problems" with the Popeyes

Anyone care to explain the context of this or what he could've been referring to; The restoration?

[Duck Dodgers]

Anyone care to explain the context of this or what he could've been referring to; The restoration?

WB thought that the first set did "pretty good" sales but, on the other hand, they expected higher ones.
Main reason is that the set was aimed at collectors.
So they came up with the decision to release a 2-disc set, still aimed at collectors, that, being with less discs will cost less than the first volume. This should bring to higher sales.
In the meantime they did not want to forget about the "normal people" so they are going to release a DVD set, made by the Family division, which should be all in color, with some Famous cartoons, Popeye and Son, King Features stuff etc.
The Famous toons will probably not be restored but WILL BE when they'll be released as part of the chronological series.

[Duck Dodgers]

I did not listen the second hour (it was 2am here:eek: ).

What happened in it?

[MF TOON]

Thanks for the explanation!

So the family set will be a compilation of color cartoons, which will still, eventually be released in more exhaustive sets (i.e. Famous theatricals, KFS, etc) ... Sounds good to me!


I'm shocked and a bit sad that the first set didn't meet WHV's expectations sales wise.

[J Lee]

Thanks for the explanation!

So the family set will be a compilation of color cartoons, which will still, eventually be released in more exhaustive sets (i.e. Famous theatricals, KFS, etc) ... Sounds good to me!


I'm shocked and a bit sad that the first set didn't meet WHV's expectations sales wise.

Apparently, WHV set the bar pretty high, expecting sales similar to Vol. 1 of the Looney Tunes Golden Collection, while the sales actually were closer to Vol. 2 of the LTGC. Not bad, but not the level they had hoped for.

[Leviathan]

Anyone care to explain the context of this or what he could've been referring to; The restoration?

I'm fairly certain it was the restoration. I also missed the first 45 minutes or so (damn Central time zone) but at one point Stu borught up how they had to recreate credits and stuff for the Popeyes, and Jerry cryptically said "The Popeyes have a lot of problems" before moving on.

[Vdubdavid]

So the family set will be a compilation of color cartoons, which will still, eventually be released in more exhaustive sets (i.e. Famous theatricals, KFS, etc) ... Sounds good to me!

I wanted to say this when I was calling in but I think that's a good idea that we'll have a "Premiere Collection" equivalent for Popeye. Perhaps the cheap set priced to move will subsidize the bells-and-whistles set that you pay a premium for?

[David Gerstein]

Apparently, WHV set the bar pretty high, expecting sales similar to Vol. 1 of the Looney Tunes Golden CollectionWhen LTGC Vol 1 came out, the Looney Tunes characters were still highly visible on TV; packed a powerful merchandising punch with both kids and adults, and even had strong internet presence. The set contained dozens of individual, popular characters; and due to the copyright status of the cartoons, marked the first DVD appearance—period—for many of them.
Let's compare and contrast this with Popeye. While never exactly out of the public eye, Popeye from the 1980s onward hardly had a presence like Looney Tunes. His better, copyright-protected cartoons' perennial absence from video prevented the uninitiated from casually discovering them; his weaker cartoons' easy public domain availability encouraged all the worst popular stereotypes about the character. His merchandise, unfortunately, hasn't included a lot of very attractive items in modern times. It's hard to portray Popeye appealingly in three dimensions.
Finally, Popeye cartoons even at their best don't take very full advantage of E. C. Segar's stock company. The vast majority are essentially about three characters only. It's easy for the uninitiated to presume they've seen it all already, and don't need to pick up a new collection.

In short—while the Fleischer Popeye shorts number among the best cartoons ever made, they had an incredible marketing disadvantage going in. And Warner was actually expecting them to do as well as LTGC Vol 1, surely among the most successful short cartoon DVD sets of all time?
Warners quite possibly produced, in Popeye Vol 1, the best collection they'd ever come up with. It's a wonderful, wonderful set, and if anyone reading this doesn't own it—shame on you! But it could be manna from heaven, and I wouldn't expect it to do as well as LTGC Vol 1. That it even came somewhere close is a testament to what a great production job WB did (with no small thanks to Jerry Beck and company).

You bet I'll be there for Vol 2. I hope others are.

[CyberFox]

So can we expect "The Man Who Hated Laughter" on the next Popeye DVD?

[Thad]

In short—while the Fleischer Popeye shorts number among the best cartoons ever made, they had an incredible marketing disadvantage going in. And Warner was actually expecting them to do as well as LTGC Vol 1, surely among the most successful short cartoon DVD sets of all time?
Warners quite possibly produced, in Popeye Vol 1, the best collection they'd ever come up with. It's a wonderful, wonderful set, and if anyone reading this doesn't own it—shame on you! But it could be manna from heaven, and I wouldn't expect it to do as well as LTGC Vol 1. That it even came somewhere close is a testament to what a great production job WB did (with no small thanks to Jerry Beck and company).

You bet I'll be there for Vol 2. I hope others are.
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[Leviathan]

David hit the nail right on the head. Sagely said, David.

[David Gerstein]

[truly bizarre image of Popeye grinning like Stan Laurel, plus pirated Oswald quote]Ah—shaddaaap!

[Thad]

Ah—shaddaaap!
I knew that would get him. Hawawhahahahaha!

[Leviathan]

It's nice to see you two getting along.

[Bugsy-Kun]

Let's compare and contrast this with Popeye. While never exactly out of the public eye, Popeye from the 1980s onward hardly had a presence like Looney Tunes. His better, copyright-protected cartoons' perennial absence from video prevented the uninitiated from casually discovering them; his weaker cartoons' easy public domain availability encouraged all the worst popular stereotypes about the character. His merchandise, unfortunately, hasn't included a lot of very attractive items in modern times. It's hard to portray Popeye appealingly in three dimensions.
Finally, Popeye cartoons even at their best don't take very full advantage of E. C. Segar's stock company. The vast majority are essentially about three characters only. It's easy for the uninitiated to presume they've seen it all already, and don't need to pick up a new collection.


That's kinda very informative David. I never read the original Segar's Popeye comics and i think today the marketings to Popeye over the years make a fake image to the original icon character compared to his origins.

And yes, the public domain was also responsable to the lack of efforts about the Popeye cartoons in the past. But don't forget that King Feature have the original license of any Popeye merchandises you know.

[Daws Butler Jr.]

Dating John K. buys you favors.

Eddie's commentaries alone are usually pretty insightful and fun. (You can count "Wackiki Wabbit" since John only grunts about three times throughout it.) I hope he does more.

I'll take your word on Eddie's solo commentaries, and I'm sure this has been covered to death in another thread, but I just this afternoon had turn off the commentary on "Popeye Meets Ali Baba". What a total waste of space... kind of like when they made me do the Tom and Jerry commentaries with Nicole Parker from "Mad TV".

[Thad]

I'll take your word on Eddie's solo commentaries, and I'm sure this has been covered to death in another thread, but I just this afternoon had turn off the commentary on "Popeye Meets Ali Baba". What a total waste of space... kind of like when they made me do the Tom and Jerry commentaries with Nicole Parker from "Mad TV".

What was the deal with that anyway? That whole Tom & Jerry set seemed to be a thinly-veiled promotion for the Mad TV kids.

[FleischerFan]

While never exactly out of the public eye, Popeye from the 1980s onward hardly had a presence like Looney Tunes. His better, copyright-protected cartoons' perennial absence from video prevented the uninitiated from casually discovering them; his weaker cartoons' easy public domain availability encouraged all the worst popular stereotypes about the character. Well, the Fleischer two-reelers were in public domain, and I think those are pretty good. In fact, it seems to me that "Popeye Meets Sinbad" was the most widely distributed cartoon on those PD discs.

While the Famous Studio cartoons are not up to the Fleischer's level, I still think they're pretty good - and this is the general public we're talking about, not hardcore cartoon enthusiasts. For them, the lack of color may have hampered sales a bit.

My presumption is that WB thought the fact that these cartoons had long been off the market and there was such a clamor in the collector's market - these items would create a larger demand than there actually was.

Finally, say what you will, but the packaging is NOT all that eye-catching. The LTGC box is in full color - bold & vibrant. Popeye's case is a two-color print job that looks cheap and doesn't catch the eye. I wonder how much sales might have increased had we been treated to a full-color representation of Popeye, Olive, Bluto, Wimpy, & Swee'pea on the box.


His merchandise, unfortunately, hasn't included a lot of very attractive items in modern times. It's hard to portray Popeye appealingly in three dimensions. Going to disagree with you here, David. Sitting around me as I type this are several 3-dimensional Popeye items that I think are all pretty visually attractive. I think there has simply been a slow-down in Popeye merchandise from back in the day (say the late 50's to the early 60's) because the cartoons were less prominent on TV.


Finally, Popeye cartoons even at their best don't take very full advantage of E. C. Segar's stock company. The vast majority are essentially about three characters only. It's easy for the uninitiated to presume they've seen it all already, and don't need to pick up a new collection. I would argue that most of the Warner Brothers characters are even more restricted in terms of plot and characters. Two characters and the same basic plot have not hurt the popularity of the Roadrunner & Coyote cartoons. To the general public, Bugs Bunny is primarly the Bugs-Elmer or Bugs-Yosemite Sam dynamic.

Popeye's fame has always been centered on his cartoons and not on his newspaper strip. However, besides Popeye, Olive, and Bluto, there are other well-known characters that have also been featured in merchandise: Wimpy, Swee'pea, the Jeep, and arguably Alice the Goon, Poopdeck Pappy, and Sea Hag.

Still and all, I hope we all support the 2nd volume so that WB greenlights a third!

[TheBlueHombre]

Finally, say what you will, but the packaging is NOT all that eye-catching. The LTGC box is in full color - bold & vibrant. Popeye's case is a two-color print job that looks cheap and doesn't catch the eye. I wonder how much sales might have increased had we been treated to a full-color representation of Popeye, Olive, Bluto, Wimpy, & Swee'pea on the box.
AMEN! The box art is horrible! It looks like a cheap box set. Full color would be a lot better. It looks like something that should be in the one dollar bin at the dollar store. It does not sell itself for what it is - a well made DVD box set.

[Larry T]

Not only that. The REAL news is that there's gonna be new animation (from what I'm understanding some gag during the opening title card or so) unseen since the initial release.

This is the stuff dreams are made of. It's a Looney Tunes cartoon to boot, so who knows if it will be some kind of hilarious joke of Foghorn blabbing over the credits.... since the same thing also happens at the end when the iris out finally shuts him up! I've always wondered what went missing because in the BR version the title card fades into the cartoon already well in progress. Bring it on!!! It's definitely one of Foghorn's better outings, what with the odd pairing against Sylvester.

You bet I'll be there for Vol 2. I hope others are. I'll pop my fisk into the mug of the punk that gets in me way for dis set!! :sailor:

[David Gerstein]

Finally, Popeye cartoons even at their best don't take very full advantage of E. C. Segar's stock company. The vast majority are essentially about three characters only.I would argue that most of the Warner Brothers characters are even more restricted in terms of plot and characters. Two characters and the same basic plot have not hurt the popularity of the Roadrunner & Coyote cartoons. To the general public, Bugs Bunny is primarly the Bugs-Elmer or Bugs-Yosemite Sam dynamic.But imagine if 100% of Looney Tunes cartoons featured Bugs, and 90% of those Bugs cartoons featured Elmer. And imagine that there was no Road Runner, or Daffy, or Sylvester, or any other popular main characters whatsoever.
To the general audience, there would be no "Looney Tunes" as we know it. The franchise would be synonymous with Bugs alone, and (we would be told by John and Jane Q. Public) "everybody knows" that Bugs exists to fight Elmer.

That's the disadvantage of the Popeye franchise—popularly perceived sameness and a very small cast of characters. Many individual Looney Tunes feature two characters only, but the series as a whole has dozens of successful leading lights.

[J Lee]

But imagine if 100% of Looney Tunes cartoons featured Bugs, and 90% of those Bugs cartoons featured Elmer. And imagine that there was no Road Runner, or Daffy, or Sylvester, or any other popular main characters whatsoever.
To the general audience, there would be no "Looney Tunes" as we know it. The franchise would be synonymous with Bugs alone, and (we would be told by John and Jane Q. Public) "everybody knows" that Bugs exists to fight Elmer.

That's the disadvantage of the Popeye franchise—popularly perceived sameness and a very small cast of characters. Many individual Looney Tunes feature two characters only, but the series as a whole has dozens of successful leading lights.

Volume 2 of the Popeye DVD is actually going to include the most varied part of the sailor's theatrical career. Remember, the Flieshcers went 11 months in 1938 without using Bluto, and introduced cartoons featuing The Jeep, the Goons and Pappy for the first time (they also went almost 18 months in 1940-41 without a Bluto cartoon, but most of those are going to show up on Disc 1 of Vol. 3).

[David Gerstein]

Oh, I know! I'm only talking about general public perceptions of Popeye, not what's actually on this DVD!

[FleischerFan]

I agree with your opinion of the public's perception of the Popeye series, but I don't think that's as big a drawback as you appear to.

After all, back in the days of VHS, most of the Looney Tunes catalog was appearing on character-centric tapes and those seemed to do just fine (judging by the sheer number that were released).

It also appears that the Tasmanian Devil enjoys large popularity in the mainstream for appearing in very few cartoons (and having a one-note personality at that). I have already referenced the long-time popularity of the Roadrunner cartoons, whose long screen career revolved around one plot with far less variations than Popeye. In fact, the Roadrunner cartoons are so interchnagble that montages of gags from various cartoons have been assembled and released commercially over the years.

And what are Tom & Jerry in the public's perception? Tom tries to catch Jerry and gets a violent comuppance - over and over and over again.

Indeed, quite a few of the long-running theatrical cartoon series traded on a central plot or theme of which endless variation were spun.

The more I've thought aout it, the more I think the packaging may be responsible for some of the low sales. And unfortunately, it looks like Volume two will continue the same 2-color trend (with the predominant color being non-primary, not very eye-catching).

[Daws Butler Jr.]

What was the deal with that anyway? That whole Tom & Jerry set seemed to be a thinly-veiled promotion for the Mad TV kids.

Well, it started out as "Let's get a celebrity to do the commentary with you." I don't know why they got that stuck in their heads, but they did. So, they tried to get Whoopi Goldberg, they tried to get Drew Carey (who, at least, is a cartoon fan) and somehow they ended up with not only a Mad TV kid, but a fairly obscure one at that. At first, I thought it was Nicole Sullivan, who has done cartoon voices for several years now. That would have made some sense. But it wasn't. I think Nicole Parker was a friend of the guy that was producing the bonus material and that's how it ended up being her.

I do think there was some idea of cross-promotion going on, too. It's a shame. But I did get both Mark Kausler and Mike Kazaleh to help me with the research... something John K and cronies obviously didn't spend one second thinking about. They couldn't even be bothered to watch the cartoons before they did the commentary, let alone do any research on them.

[Thad]

Well, it started out as "Let's get a celebrity to do the commentary with you." I don't know why they got that stuck in their heads, but they did. So, they tried to get Whoopi Goldberg, they tried to get Drew Carey (who, at least, is a cartoon fan) and somehow they ended up with not only a Mad TV kid, but a fairly obscure one at that. At first, I thought it was Nicole Sullivan, who has done cartoon voices for several years now. That would have made some sense. But it wasn't. I think Nicole Parker was a friend of the guy that was producing the bonus material and that's how it ended up being her.

I do think there was some idea of cross-promotion going on, too. It's a shame. But I did get both Mark Kausler and Mike Kazaleh to help me with the research... something John K and cronies obviously didn't spend one second thinking about. They couldn't even be bothered to watch the cartoons before they did the commentary, let alone do any research on them.

Well Whoopi Goldberg has stated she's a huge fan of Coal Black, so she is 'one of us' in that sense anyway.

[J Lee]

Well, it started out as "Let's get a celebrity to do the commentary with you." I don't know why they got that stuck in their heads, but they did. So, they tried to get Whoopi Goldberg, they tried to get Drew Carey (who, at least, is a cartoon fan) and somehow they ended up with not only a Mad TV kid, but a fairly obscure one at that. At first, I thought it was Nicole Sullivan, who has done cartoon voices for several years now. That would have made some sense. But it wasn't. I think Nicole Parker was a friend of the guy that was producing the bonus material and that's how it ended up being her.

I do think there was some idea of cross-promotion going on, too. It's a shame. But I did get both Mark Kausler and Mike Kazaleh to help me with the research... something John K and cronies obviously didn't spend one second thinking about. They couldn't even be bothered to watch the cartoons before they did the commentary, let alone do any research on them.

Make you wish someone at Warner Home Video had done the same thing to the John K Popeye commentaries that Jack Warner did to Leon Schlesniger, when he rejected those two Tom Palmer cartoons and told Leon to fix them up before he'd let the public see them.

[Daws Butler Jr.]

Makes you wish someone at Warner Home Video had done the same thing to the John K Popeye commentaries that Jack Warner did to Leon Schlesniger, when he rejected those two Tom Palmer cartoons and told Leon to fix them up before he'd let the public see them.

Too true. It would have been better to have no commentaries on those cartoons than what we got. I think they were thinking that John K is a "name" that might sell a DVD or two. I'm sure anyone that bought them on that basis was sorely disappointed. Still, WHV should have had enough good judgement on their own to say that those tracks were worthless.

[Leviathan]

speaking of which, they should invite Jerry, Leslie, Ray, and Bob back to do a special feature that's a roundtable discussion on Fleischer/Popeye.

I believe similar bonuses were done for Animanaics/Pinky and the Brain, but very few people that actually worked on the Popeyes are still living, so this would be the next best thing.