Happy Birthday, J.A. Boschen!

[Tom Stathes]

According to the GAC Forums main page, J.A. is 22 today.
Happy Birthday, fellow animation obscurities fan! :D

[cpdavison]

Land O'Goshen!

Happy Birthday,

Mr. Boschen!

Burma Shave.

Craig D.

[Sogturtle]

Hey there Brer Boschen!!!! That time of year again eh?

Soooo...

Happiest of Birthdays to you and yours on this your 22nd!!:bugs2: :daffy:

[And this MIGHT just interest you;) , that lost Eshbaugh film is heading for Mr. Stanch!]:)

From your friend the Turtle

[Tom Stathes]

Well that's good news, Soggie!
The print looked a little red...nonetheless, a true gem to turn up.

[J. A. Boschen]

Thank you Tom, Tim, and Cpdavidson. Today is indeed my 22nd birthday!! :D

~So what is the lost Eshbaugh gem that turned up? (This truly is a birthday present)

[Tom Stathes]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63821&item=260176928672

[Sogturtle]

Thank you Tom, Tim, and Cpdavidson. Today is indeed my 22nd birthday!! :D

~So what is the lost Eshbaugh gem that turned up? (This truly is a birthday present)

Birthday boy Boschen;) ~

Oh nothing much...:p , just a lost (and almost forgotten) film that he made:eek: , turned up in an IB TECH 16mm print, tis entitled "The White Guard".
As the title implies, it's about teeth, somewhat like Hugh Harman's famed "Winky The Watchman".

http://i24.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/c0/b9/3cfe_1.JPG

http://i22.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/c0/b9/3c5b_1.JPG


http://i18.ebayimg.com/08/i/000/c0/b9/3dd6_1.JPG

http://i24.ebayimg.com/08/i/000/c0/b9/3e17_1.JPG

http://i8.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/c0/b9/3cad_1.JPG

[Bugsmer]

Bonne fête, J.A. Boschen!

[Tom Stathes]

Are we sure about the release date? Coming from Sarnowski...the stock and vinegar status can be a crap shoot. Just check the many threads on him over at the 16mm forum.

[J. A. Boschen]

That is a pretty cool find, I don't know how that ever escaped my attention (I usually do ebay searches on Eshbaugh, even though I can't really afford the any of it at the moment, I am just curious on whats turning up)

[Sogturtle]

Are we sure about the release date? Coming from Sarnowski...the stock and vinegar status can be a crap shoot. Just check the many threads on him over at the 16mm forum.

Tom~

Noooo I don't think we can be sure about the release date at all... It doesn't appear in the Copyright Catalog at all, ever, so no help there. The only book reference to it (that I know of) is in Graham Webb's tome, and THAT seems to have been the foundation of BCDB knowing anything about it (Imdb has nothing). Both Webb and BCDB cite a 1947 date, but I don't know where Webb got that date:confused:. Comically BCDB claims it was directed by J.R. Booth;). And interestingly enough in a trade ad for Eshbaugh there is a picture on the wall behind Ted that looks exactly like it's a background from this cartoon. The date of the ad (1946) leaves ample room for a date anywhere from the late Thirties up through 1947.

On the issue of the film-stock, only time will tell. Maybe the ad was right or maybe it was wrong. Don't know.:)

And as far as Wayne's selling old films that may already be starting down the vinegar brick road:D, I don't recall ever getting any from him like that before BUT it's quite possible with anybody selling large quantities of ancient film prints. So I have no doubt some people have gotten some film(s) from him with that "lovely scent"...:rolleyes:
You and I know they can "turn" at the drop of a hat. And consider this, I knew of one large seller who proudly advertised that ANY vinegar-scented print they received headed immediately for the dumpster, no ifs ands or buts. That's a noble ideal except for the fact that in SOME cases the only known print of a film just might be that one "going vinegar" and which they just glibly pitched in the dumpster with the rats and sewer-roaches.

Would I want a bunch of vinegar prints? No of course not, but if it's possibly the last surviving copy then far better to get that and have it transferred than pitch it. In fact the only surviving prints of the three Hook cartoons that Jerry Beck borrowed and copied starting turning vinegar before he could get them back to their owner.

[dandu]

Happy Birthday JA Boschen! Thanks a lot for all the information on Columbia, Ted Eshbaugh, and all those obscure studios. Thank you Sogturtle as well!

[Tom Stathes]

Would I want a bunch of vinegar prints? No of course not, but if it's possibly the last surviving copy then far better to get that and have it transferred than pitch it.
Ah, but of course. And if it's that rare...there's no reason not to invest in a dupe negative. After all, these things should survive on film! ;)

As for the release date...it just screams 40s to me. The art has left the bubbly and cute 1930s behind, and the credit text too seems to be a dead giveaway.
But I welcome any hard evidence. :)

[Sogturtle]

Ah, but of course. And if it's that rare...there's no reason not to invest in a dupe negative. After all, these things should survive on film! ;)

As for the release date...it just screams 40s to me. The art has left the bubbly and cute 1930s behind, and the credit text too seems to be a dead giveaway.
But I welcome any hard evidence. :)

Yep Tom, I agree that making a new negative would be in order as well as transferring it, that's the ideal way of doing things.:D These lost/virtually-lost Eshbaugh films really are rare as hen's teeth.

And I'm just trying to be flexible about the release date. Like I said before I have no clue where Graham Webb got that 1947 date. The toon definitely pre-dates the UPA influence, but I haven't been able to find any mention of the film's making. Like you I would probably guess the 1940's but without evidence it's all just guesswork (sort of like some other things:p ).

And as mentioned before it appears that one of its backgrounds was hanging on Eshbaugh's office wall right next to the Borden's title of "Sunshine Makers". And our birthday-person J.A. Boschen:D is the one who pointed out that background to me from this cartoon today!:cool:

[J. A. Boschen]

And as mentioned before it appears that one of its backgrounds was hanging on Eshbaugh's office wall right next to the Borden's title of "Sunshine Makers". And our birthday-person J.A. Boschen:D is the one who pointed out that background to me from this cartoon today!:cool:


That trade ad advertises the 1945 Cap'n Cub, so I am guessing that the film was made somewhere between 1940 and 1945. The visuals on the film are quite ornate as well.

~It should be noted that between Wonderbread Bakers (1939) and Cap'n Cub (1945), there is a huge gap in (known/existing) Eshbaugh films. With the discovery of this picture I am sort of wondering what other lost films were produced during these six years (and after) :rolleyes:

[Daisy Mae]

Hi JA Boschen!

I'm new here and we don't know one another, but would still like to wish you a HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY!!!! :dodo:

I hope you had a wonderful day!!


:red:

[Steve Stanch]

Happy late birthday Johnathan! May your dreams of all the Eshbaugh shorts come true...

Here's the Eshbaugh shorts from the 30 & 40's I know to have survived in one form or another:

Goofy Goat (31 - 2 color; no color print known- only b/w 16mm)
The Snowman (33- 2 color tech- 35mm color material )
The Wizard of OZ (33- 3-strip tech- 35mm IB tech material)
Pastry Town Wedding (35- 16mm color material)
Sunshine Makers (35- 35mm color material)
Japanese Lanterns (35- 35mm color material)
Tea Pot Town (39- 35mm IB technicolor material)
Wonder Bakers at the World's Fair (1939 - workprint; 16mm Kodachrome)
(The new dental commercial- Sogturtle archives)
Sammy Salvage (43- b/w material)
Capn' Cub (45 35mm IB technicolor material)
Betty in Wonderland (not the Fleischer Cartoon) (? 35mm negs & tracks)
(a few other misc war things)

Now, if there was only a complete list of Eshbaugh productions somewhere!


On another note: I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that it's a Kodachrome print- that soft focus and color look give it away.

[Fibber Fox]

Now, if there was only a complete list of Eshbaugh productions somewhere!

Steve, would they have been copyrighted by Eshbaugh? If so, wouldn't a search of him at the copyright office reveal a list? Or am I being simplistic?

FF

[Sogturtle]

Steve, would they have been copyrighted by Eshbaugh? If so, wouldn't a search of him at the copyright office reveal a list? Or am I being simplistic?

FF

Obviously I'm not Steve;) , but for now I'll give you an answer... No, the Copyright catalogs have no index entry/entries for Ted Eshbaugh or Ted Eshbaugh Productions... Though of course his name is listed as the director of "The Sunshine Makers" etc.

[J. A. Boschen]

Happy late birthday Johnathan! May your dreams of all the Eshbaugh shorts come true...

Here's the Eshbaugh shorts from the 30 & 40's I know to have survived in one form or another:

Goofy Goat (31 - 2 color; no color print known- only b/w 16mm)
The Snowman (33- 2 color tech- 35mm color material )
The Wizard of OZ (33- 3-strip tech- 35mm IB tech material)
Pastry Town Wedding (35- 16mm color material)
Sunshine Makers (35- 35mm color material)
Japanese Lanterns (35- 35mm color material)
Tea Pot Town (39- 35mm IB technicolor material)
Wonder Bakers at the World's Fair (1939 - workprint; 16mm Kodachrome)
(The new dental commercial- Sogturtle archives)
Sammy Salvage (43- b/w material)
Capn' Cub (45 35mm IB technicolor material)
Betty in Wonderland (not the Fleischer Cartoon) (? 35mm negs & tracks)
(a few other misc war things)

Now, if there was only a complete list of Eshbaugh productions somewhere!


On another note: I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that it's a Kodachrome print- that soft focus and color look give it away.

Thank You Steve!

Its ashame that "Goofy Goat" has not yet turned up in color, but at least we can sort of get an idea of what it might have looked like in color from that Modern Mechanix article. Nice to see that everything else survives in color.

[Steve Stanch]

Who knows what will show up..... I'm always surprised. Just in the past few years so many thinmgs have turned up that I thought I would never see- and you can bet more will within the coming years. I am glad some of these small producer's films are finally being seen by a little wider audience, and that information (though sometimes limited) is available on their careers and films.