Pullet Surprise on Youtube [Archive]

oceansoul

10-13-2007, 03:28 PM

Wow. :eek: I was searching this cartoon for ages, and now I found it on the almighty Youtube.

Here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGnO_6D5Vdo

Actually, it's (pullet-)surprisingly good. The timing could have been a lot better, and Mel Blanc's vocal would make big difference, but rather entertaining short, recommended to watch, if only once. :foggy:

UncleLina

10-13-2007, 03:40 PM

I found it pretty good too, better than Superior Duck for sure. I saw a part of this cartoon in a Boomerang bumper but didn't know what it was. Now that I've seen it I must say it was pretty good, the animation was really smooth and lively and it was fun to see ol' one shot Pete Puma back again. My only criticism is that Foghorn's voice is a bit off, but that's what's expected after one of the most unique voice actors ever passes away.

Overall a decent cartoon! :foggy:

Sogturtle

10-13-2007, 03:56 PM

Timber Wolf

10-13-2007, 04:05 PM

It was a pretty good cartoon. Chariots of Fur was better but this one had some funny gags too. The character designs looked like the classic ones.

If I could only see From Hare to Eternity, Little Go Beep and Father of the Bird... :(

Bugsy-Kun

10-13-2007, 04:11 PM

Thanks for this information oceansoul. This short is much hilarious and in spirit to the original Foggy cartoons than Doyle's "Cock-A-Doodle Duel". I never seen this before and i want say thanks aain. :)

One of the best recent Looney Tunes shorts ever made, Van Citters made a great job.

If I could only see From Hare to Eternity, Little Go Beep and Father of the Bird...

"From Hare to Eternity" is air in french in one of my local channels since 2000. It's a pretty tribute to Friz Freleng and to the Yosemite Sam's pirate role.

oceansoul

10-13-2007, 04:13 PM

I was lucky enough to see it theatrically back then:D . Darrel Van Citters did a really good job there under Chuck (and in Bob McK's absence).

And Frank Gorshin's Foghorn was a huge improvement over his Yosemite Sam. ;) I've never heard a perfect re-creation of Foghorn or Sam since Mel's death...

Now my question is, how do we download and save it from YouTube (before it disappears)???:confused: As it's never turned up here for sale...

Try this link: http://www.techcrunch.com/get-youtube-movie/

Enter the URL name, and use the VLC program to watch it. :foggy:

Studio Toledo

10-13-2007, 04:38 PM

I was lucky enough to see it theatrically back then:D . Darrel Van Citters did a really good job there under Chuck (and in Bob McK's absence).

And Frank Gorshin's Foghorn was a huge improvement over his Yosemite Sam. ;) I've never heard a perfect re-creation of Foghorn or Sam since Mel's death...

I was thinking of that yesterday when I realized how sad it was to think that it takes over a half-dozen to a dozen guys to voice most of what came out of one person's mouth. That really put me off for the rest of the afternoon!

Now my question is, how do we download and save it from YouTube (before it disappears)???:confused: As it's never turned up here for sale...

Here you go! (http://keepvid.com/)

Vdubdavid

10-13-2007, 05:59 PM

It's been a full decade since I saw that short with the theatrical engagement of "Cats Don't Dance" and it still holds up pretty well. Credit is due for using Stan Freberg for Pete Puma, and also using the old fanfare from Warner's features before the bullseye. Now if only Warner's still had the rights to "The Merry-Go-Round Broke Down"!

Speedy Boris

10-13-2007, 09:13 PM

nickramer

10-13-2007, 09:32 PM

Am I the only one who isn't crazy about this short? Yeah the animation is nice (if not particularly unique) but very little of it made me laugh, and Frank Gorshin's Foghorn didn't cut it for me.

I like Van Citter's "Box Office Bunny" a lot more. I like "Box Office Bunny", too. Just wish it wasn't so short.

But I like "Pullet Surprise" even more. I always like the part when Pete try to impersonate a chicken.

Jon Cooke

10-13-2007, 09:38 PM

Am I the only one who isn't crazy about this short? Yeah the animation is nice (if not particularly unique) but very little of it made me laugh, and Frank Gorshin's Foghorn didn't cut it for me.

I like Van Citter's "Box Office Bunny" a lot more.

I thought the biggest problem was the pacing/timing was a bit too frantic for a Foggy short. All the gags zip by so quickly, nothing really had time to sink in. When I first saw the cartoon a few years back, I didn't get the ending gag. I had to re-watch it to realize it was a reference to the "Irish Wrestling Chicken" mentioned earlier in the short.

Only bit that made really me laugh out loud was Pete trying to fool Foghorn by doing a voice for the sleeping chicken ("Thanks a lot, Mr. Chicken!"). Hilarious work by Freberg there.

Overall, the animation is nicely done and I'd take this over one of Larry Doyle's shorts any day.

ThePeterNetwork

10-13-2007, 09:41 PM

I LOVE IT! I couldn't stop laughing through the whole thing. True, Foghorn's voice could have shown some improvement, and the credit sequence was a bit on the longish side, but it was fine for what it was. They should make more modern Looney Tunes like this one!

Mr. Semaj

10-13-2007, 09:49 PM

I've seen this a couple times when Cartoon Network aired Cats Don't Dance. Pullet Surprise looks like something Robert McKimson would've done with better designs and better timing, since he loved putting characters in different series.

David Gerstein

10-13-2007, 11:50 PM

The cartoon was often clever, and—I thought—well timed. But it felt empty to me, insofar as it came across as two characters battling in a void, with Foghorn never even remotely challenged. Either Henery Hawk or Dawg could have made proceedings considerably more interesting, if only by (inadvertently or on purpose) making it harder for Foggy to outwit Pete.
Logic nit: why were the other chickens so much smaller than Foghorn? I've seen them smaller before, but never this small. It's not just a hen thing, either; in the end gag, another rooster was tiny, too.

JPox

10-14-2007, 12:19 AM

I as well haven't seen this short since it's theatrical run with "Cats Don't Dance".
It does hold up well and is one of the better modern Looney Tunes from Chuck Jones Productions. Foghorn's voice is my only beef with it, but the gags are timed really well.
I like the fact they included the innuendo in a modern cartoon as well, "Don't stand to close now son, I'm a heartbreaker.":foggy:

CueBallCat79

10-14-2007, 12:25 AM

I thought the biggest problem was the pacing/timing was a bit too frantic for a Foggy short. All the gags zip by so quickly, nothing really had time to sink in.

I agree with you 100% on that one. However, I loved the animation and poses on this one.

oceansoul

10-14-2007, 02:53 AM

Yeah, it's far from perfect, but I still rate this one above all the lacklustre post-1957 Foghorn Leghorn shorts any day.

Sogturtle

10-14-2007, 04:08 AM

Here you go! (http://keepvid.com/)

Studio Toledo/Chris and Oceansoul~

Thank you for the links, twas helpful (and kind of you!):cool:

oceansoul

10-14-2007, 06:17 AM

By the way, there is a small Bob Clampett reference in this cartoon. Anyone noticed it? ;)

AardvarkDog

10-14-2007, 07:47 AM

By the way, there is a small Bob Clampett reference in this cartoon. Anyone noticed it? ;)

Hmmm, not really, but I did catch a few refrences to Pete's last cartoon "Rabbit's Kin". :bugs2:

After watching this, whether it works with two characters of three, I find this MUCH better than Larry Doyle's abonimations. Beautiful animation - espicially for the "invisible chicken" parts - and some really sharp, witty writing too. I always laugh at the "high heels" gag.

"Not that ah wear any, mind!" :foggy:

oceansoul

10-14-2007, 08:07 AM

The reference is that the cartoon has the "wheeeoop" ending we saw in many Bob Clampett shorts.

Marty26

10-14-2007, 08:28 AM

Definitely one of the better "new cartoons." It's great to see Pete Puma returning (and even making a subtle reference to his unfortunate encounter with Bugs Bunny in Rabbit's Kin). And most of the jokes, particularly the final joke, are quite funny.

I do, however, wish Barnyard Dog was in this cartoon. It's always a little unsettling when Foggy's made into another Bugs Bunny (which was also my problem with The Dixie Fryer). I like it better when Foggy uses a character like Henery Hawk (or in this case Pete Puma) to do Barnyard Dog in, only for his traps/tricks to immediately backfire through Barnyard's own intuition..

Speedy Boris

10-14-2007, 10:33 AM

Yeah, it's far from perfect, but I still rate this one above all the lacklustre post-1957 Foghorn Leghorn shorts any day. I dunno... I'd rather watch "Banty Raids" than this any day.

Though I do admit that high heels dialog was pretty well-done. It had just the right pause needed for some nice uncomfortable humor.

J. B. Warner

10-14-2007, 10:57 AM

It was a lot better than I expected it to be, especially considering the bad word of mouth I'd heard about it in the past. Van Citters' sense of timing is a little too fast at times, and Frank Gorshin's Foghorn voice isn't perfect, but aside from that, it's a pretty good cartoon with a lot of very nice animation. And of course, it definitely helps that Stan Freberg was still around to play Pete Puma (and still is, to my knowledge).

Thad

10-14-2007, 11:17 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/looneythad/wellthatsucked.jpg

CueBallCat79

10-14-2007, 12:39 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/looneythad/wellthatsucked.jpg

That's no surprise.

How mature, Thad.

gdX

10-14-2007, 01:25 PM

Am I the only one who isn't crazy about this short?
No.

Golden Age cartoons are so described for a reason – they were done to perfection decades ago... in a particular time, with particular people, in particular circumstances... resurrecting them after the fact almost always gives the sensation of reheated leftovers.

Meh...

:shame:

Thad

10-14-2007, 03:19 PM

That's no surprise.

How mature, Thad.

Well, it is "Pullet Surprise", does it honestly warrant an indepth discussion about why it sucks?

oceansoul

10-14-2007, 03:20 PM

Well, it is "Pullet Surprise", does it honestly warrant an indepth discussion about why it sucks?

You used to like it, ain't you?

CueBallCat79

10-14-2007, 03:36 PM

Well, it is "Pullet Surprise", does it honestly warrant an indepth discussion about why it sucks?

No, but something of more substance would be nice.

Now I'm not saying the cartoon is very good, cause it's not. But I will admit that I did enjoy the animation itself.

Bugsy-Kun

10-14-2007, 03:45 PM

No, but something of more substance would be nice.

Now I'm not saying the cartoon is very good, cause it's not. But I will admit that I did enjoy the animation itself.

I could admit the humor is not the same than the early Foghorn cartoons but i like the animation and it's less goof-ups than "Cock-A-Doodle-Duel" made by Larry Doyle. (I know how i hate this "Looney Generation Me" cartoons)

Speedy Boris

10-14-2007, 03:57 PM

Yeah, I'd agree with that. Pullet Surprise > Cock-a-Doodle Duel. I don't have a hatred for the Larry Doyle shorts as much as some of you on this board but his Foghorn short was just awful.

Bugsy-Kun

10-14-2007, 05:13 PM

Yeah, I'd agree with that. Pullet Surprise > Cock-a-Doodle Duel. I don't have a hatred for the Larry Doyle shorts as much as some of you on this board but his Foghorn short was just awful.

Larry Doyle is okay for Family Guy but for Looney Tunes? Blah!!

RachelToonist

10-14-2007, 05:44 PM

Yeah, I'd agree with that. Pullet Surprise > Cock-a-Doodle Duel. I don't have a hatred for the Larry Doyle shorts as much as some of you on this board but his Foghorn short was just awful.

Is there a place online where a person can see any of the Larry Doyle shorts these days? I have to admit I'm curious as to whether they're as bad as everyone says.

Jon Cooke

10-14-2007, 06:05 PM

Is there a place online where a person can see any of the Larry Doyle shorts these days? I have to admit I'm curious as to whether they're as bad as everyone says.

These are the only three I could find. :shame:

Cock-a-Doodle Duel (http://www.dailymotion.com/kat2024/video/x1v10o_cockadoodleduel_shortfilms)

Hare and Loathing in Las Vegas (http://www.dailymotion.com/kat2024/video/x1sx26_hare-loathing-in-las-vegas_shortfilms)

My Generation G-g-gap (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1slpr_my-generation-gggap_shortfilms)

Bugsy-Kun

10-14-2007, 06:47 PM

Here you go! (http://keepvid.com/)

Studio Toledo/Chris and Oceansoul~

Thank you for the links, twas helpful (and kind of you!):cool:

One of my MSN friends finds a better site for upload YouTube videos without download the program. http://www.zamzar.com/

Speedy Boris

10-14-2007, 06:58 PM

Here's Whizzard of Ow: http://video.aol.com/video-detail/roadrunner-und-cojote/1503260845 . It's dubbed in another language but it doesn't really matter too much since it's a Road Runner/Coyote short. :p

Thad

10-14-2007, 07:06 PM

Everything about the Doyle produced cartoons blow... The animation, writing (done by the Family Guy crew), layouts, music, voices... Awful stuff!

Warners paid for crap and that's what they got.

Don't waste your time looking for them... Find copies of the classic shorts of the 40s and 50s you haven't seen instead!

Bugsy-Kun

10-14-2007, 07:25 PM

Matt the Y

10-14-2007, 07:35 PM

That's no surprise.

How mature, Thad.

Thad is allowed to express his opinion of the short in any manner as he wishes... in the exact same way and to the same degree that anybody else at the forum is allowed to.

Although, Thad, I *am* curious... exactly what are the reasons why you thought that it "sucked" (I'm guessing lackluster writing and a pale attempt to imitate the classics which I think are most of the drawbacks of most modern animation attempts)?

Thad

10-14-2007, 07:37 PM

Thad is allowed to express his opinion of the short in any manner as he wishes... in the exact same way and to the same degree as anybody else at the forum is allowed to.

Although, Thad, I *am* curious... exactly what are the reasons why you thought it "sucked" (I'm guessing lackluster writing and a pale attempt to imitate the classics which I think are most of the drawbacks of most modern animation attempts)?

Too talky for one. It tries to have snappy-timing, but it's just too fast. Interestingly, "Father of the Bird" suffers from being too talky and too SLOW. (Sylvester talks more in this one than ten Freleng cartoons stringed together).

Matt the Y

10-14-2007, 07:43 PM

Too talky for one. It tries to have snappy-timing, but it's just too fast. Interestingly, "Father of the Bird" suffers from being too talky and too SLOW. (Sylvester talks more in this one than ten Freleng cartoons stringed together).

I agree with your point about the timing. My brother's comment about "faster" timing in most cartoons nowadays is because people are used to today's audiences "having the attention span of a housefly" meaning things have to be faster to sustain people's interest. But, for Gosh sakes, people are going to lose interest just as fast if things zip by so fast that you don't even CARE what's going on because you've witnessed way too damn much already! :rolleyes: :p

I agree about your "Father of the Bird" point too. Sylvester did talk way too much and the timing was not only unbearably slow, it didn't even make sense. What was the deal with the scene where Sylvester catapaults the anvil into the air..... and it doesn't even fall to the ground and strike him until half the cartoon later? That's just downright poor direction if ya ask me!

mmtper

10-14-2007, 08:57 PM

Yeah, it's far from perfect, but I still rate this one above all the lacklustre post-1957 Foghorn Leghorn shorts any day.

I'll agree with that, it made me laugh more than once. It's too bad they didn't make more, they might've gotten even better.

Sogturtle

10-14-2007, 11:11 PM

One of my MSN friends finds a better site for upload YouTube videos without download the program. http://www.zamzar.com/

Thank you Bugsy-Kun, I'll try it too!:cool:

Bugsy-Kun

10-15-2007, 12:37 AM

Thank youBugsy-Kun, I'll try it too!:cool:
You're welcome!

oceansoul

10-15-2007, 02:54 AM

Too talky for one. It tries to have snappy-timing, but it's just too fast. Interestingly, "Father of the Bird" suffers from being too talky and too SLOW. (Sylvester talks more in this one than ten Freleng cartoons stringed together).

Yep, this is true. Actually, I watched it for a second time, it worked much more than for first, maybe because I understand the jokes better, and it seemed less confusing.

I still say this one is the second best (after Chariots of Fur) of the modern Looney Tunes, and runs circles around every Doyle toons and flops like "Superior Duck" or "Box Office Bunny". I yet to see "Another Froggy Evening" and "Father of a Bird" though.

Marty26

10-15-2007, 07:24 AM

I yet to see "Another Froggy Evening" and "Father of a Bird" though.

I sooooooooooo want to see those two cartoons.

Timber Wolf

10-15-2007, 07:54 AM

I sooooooooooo want to see those two cartoons.

I saw Another Froggy Evening on YouTube before it got deleted.

I want to see Father of the Bird, Little Go Beep and From Hare to Eternity, like I said before. Can't anyone put Little Go Beep on YouTube? Even a version recorded with a video camera from the computer screen would be enough for me. AOL sucks. :( :( :(

J. B. Warner

10-15-2007, 07:47 PM

I sooooooooooo want to see those two cartoons.

I also saw "Another Froggy Evening" - believe me, you aren't missing much. It's basically "One Froggy Evening" in four different time periods without anything new or interesting...not to mention one of the most confusing and disappointing endings I've ever seen in a Warner Bros. cartoon.

Bugsy-Kun

10-15-2007, 08:06 PM

I sooooooooooo want to see those two cartoons.

"Another Froggy Evening" is available in the Space Jam 2-Disc Set. It's a very long short than we have usual.

Matt the Y

10-15-2007, 09:55 PM

I also saw "Another Froggy Evening" - believe me, you aren't missing much. It's basically "One Froggy Evening" in four different time periods without anything new or interesting...not to mention one of the most confusing and disappointing endings I've ever seen in a Warner Bros. cartoon.

I was going to comment on "Another Froggy Evening"... J.B. Warner basically summed up what I was going say word for word. I've also seen "Father of the Bird"; I personally didn't like it at all. Not many gags to speak of, not very well directed, Sylvester talks WAY too much, and quite boring IMHO.

Hope I didn't disappoint you too much about those two films; you're still quite welcome to seek them out if you still want to, of course.

Sogturtle

10-16-2007, 01:13 AM

I was going to comment on "Another Froggy Evening"... J.B. Warner basically summed up what I was going say word for word. I've also seen "Father of the Bird"; I personally didn't like it at all. Not many gags to speak of, not very well directed, Sylvester talks WAY too much, and quite boring IMHO.

Hope I didn't disappoint you too much about those two films; you're still quite welcome to seek them out if you still want to, of course.

This might or might not interest or amuse you but I checked out how viewers on Imdb rate "Another Froggy Evening"...:) At present it has a 7.1 (out of 10) rating...:cool: More interesting is that it ranks substantially higher among females in general and with males 45 and above, while lower among young, young men... My own memory of it is of liking it quite a bit.

"Father Of The Bird" is somewhat like "Pullet Surprise" in that though both are produced by Chuck Jones Productions neither was directed by Chuck (while "Another Froggy Evening" was actually made by him)... I don't remember "Father Of The Bird" being an outstandingly good theatrical (from one viewing) but in comparison to nearly any animation on TV it is leagues ahead. While "Pullet Surprise" does have a pretty fair number of laughs and benefits greatly from the fact of most audiences loving Foghorn Leghorn and of having the (possibly:p ) long awaited return of Pete Puma (and doubly-so since voiced again by the great Stan Freberg).

Chuck's "Superior Duck" looks ALMOST like he wanted it to be TV special length, in that he spends nearly the first half of the cartoon on seeming non-essentials. And then populates it with surprise guest-appearances by a whole array of the Warner cartoon stars. I could easily imagine Chuck coming up with enough 'super' gags to fill a TV- special or 2 reel 'super' cartoon. But I do love the appearance by Superman...

oceansoul

10-16-2007, 03:07 AM

The appearance of Superman maybe is the only highlight of that awful short. I don't know how other people consider it, but I loathe with every part of my body those cartoons that were filled in with cameos. What's the point of using Tweety, Foghorn, Marvin and Taz in Superior Duck? It's simply not funny, and makes me feel disgusted while watching it. The same goes for Carrotblanca, Blooper Bunny and other modern stuff like that.

I also hate cartoons with recycled plots, and weak remakes, so I'm afraid I wouldn't like Another Froggy Evening too much (despite loving the original).

So far I was impressed only with Pullet Surprise and Chariots of Fur. The former is good because it could easily match the 46-53 Foghorn cartoons with Blancs vocal and a bit more elaborated timing at the first part of the cartoon. Both the plot and the gags works for me. The later is probably the best modern toon, because it has the charm of the oldschool Road Runner shorts, the animation, the timing and the gags were all very impressive. I would reckon CoF among the top10 Road Runner shorts.

Jon Cooke

10-16-2007, 05:51 AM

I realize I am probably in the minority but I actually thought "Another Froggy" was one of the better efforts from Chuck Jones Film Productions. I wouldn't rate it as classic as the original (and the end gag is a tad bizarre), but I still found it entertaining. I haven't watched it in awhile, so I can't say how well it holds up.

I have to agree with everyone about the other CJFP efforts. "Chariots of Fur" was by far their best. "Father of the Bird" not only had a way-too-talky Sylvester but also a plot that felt like a retread of not only the superior "A Mouse Divided" but also the standard 'baby in peril' cartoon (think Animaniacs' Buttons & Mindy, for example).

At least they all had some very nice animation, music and backgrounds.

Speedy Boris

10-16-2007, 10:24 AM

^ I'm not a huge Road Runner/Coyote fan but "Chariots of Fur" deserves praise simply for being a huge improvement over the mid '60s RR/C shorts, not to mention the Larriva ones. The animation honestly felt like something you'd see from Jones from the early to mid '50s, which is good.

"Blooper Bunny" was awesome, and easily one of the best modern LT shorts. It managed to make me laugh consistently without screwing up the characters' personalities (since the majority of it came from all the mistakes during the filming, and how these characters would react to such things), and had some fine animation throughout. Plus, hearing the dancing music from "Hot Cross Bunny" was a treat.

EDIT: Heh, maybe this topic should be retitled "Modern Looney Tunes" since we're not just talking about "Pullet Surprise" anymore. ;)

Marty26

10-16-2007, 12:02 PM

The appearance of Superman maybe is the only highlight of that awful short. I don't know how other people consider it, but I loathe with every part of my body those cartoons that were filled in with cameos. What's the point of using Tweety, Foghorn, Marvin and Taz in Superior Duck? It's simply not funny, and makes me feel disgusted while watching it. The same goes for Carrotblanca, Blooper Bunny and other modern stuff like that.

That's also something I've always hated about a lot of the modern Looney Tunes. Why do they seemingly try to cram every character in the WB stable into one cartoon? With a few exceptions (namely fourth wall cartoons like This Is A Life? and A Star Is Bored), different characters are supposed to suit different cartoons. Otherwise, they lose their individuality. By making the characters all friends who know each other, they lose their sense of individuality and uniqueness, and the plots feel too cluttered.

I do, however, disagree with you about Blooper Bunny. That's a great cartoon. Ditto to Invasion Of The Bunny Snatchers.

Bugsy-Kun

10-16-2007, 01:18 PM

That's also something I've always hated about a lot of the modern Looney Tunes. Why do they seemingly try to cram every character in the WB stable into one cartoon? With a few exceptions (namely fourth wall cartoons like This Is A Life? and A Star Is Bored), different characters are supposed to suit different cartoons. Otherwise, they lose their individuality. By making the characters all friends who know each other, they lose their sense of individuality and uniqueness, and the plots feel too cluttered.

I do, however, disagree with you about Blooper Bunny. That's a great cartoon. Ditto to Invasion Of The Bunny Snatchers.

The problem of this common shorts is because it's a sort of continuity over the characters. And that's happen often in the Bugs and Daffy shorts because the characters developped over the years. When Bugs talking about his life and careers begins in "A Hare Grows in Manhattan" and "What's Up, Doc?" to his success in "Person to Bunny", that's make Bugs and the others a bit out of themeselves. I do agree with you about the sense of indivuality thing, but that's happen too in the last Droopy shorts with the bulldog Spike and any pairings characters you can find but it's a bit like the reality. More you start to meet new peoples and more you start to know them on better or on worse. And peoples appreciate this things like this because they could keep and continue their developpement years after years.

David Gerstein

10-16-2007, 01:45 PM

AFAIK, at least CARROTBLANCA featured extra-large numbers of characters at WB execs' request—because they wanted more cels with the minor characters to sell at the WB Studio Stores.
I have nothing against a CARROTBLANCA-like ensemble piece in principle; THE SCARLET PUMPERNICKEL similarly drafted a vast portion of the entire LT stock company. But I could do without the financial reasoning.

Marty26

10-16-2007, 04:38 PM

The problem of this common shorts is because it's a sort of continuity over the characters. And that's happen often in the Bugs and Daffy shorts because the characters developped over the years. When Bugs talking about his life and careers begins in "A Hare Grows in Manhattan" and "What's Up, Doc?" to his success in "Person to Bunny", that's make Bugs and the others a bit out of themeselves. I do agree with you about the sense of indivuality thing, but that's happen too in the last Droopy shorts with the bulldog Spike and any pairings characters you can find but it's a bit like the reality. More you start to meet new peoples and more you start to know them on better or on worse. And peoples appreciate this things like this because they could keep and continue their developpement years after years.

Yeah, but did the characters really need this kind of development? Did they really need a "family-like" development? I think such development nullifies the whole purpose behind hunter Elmer chasing Bugs in a forest, outlaw Sam chasing Bugs in the desert, opera singer Giovanni Jones and Bugs duking it out at the Hollywood Bowl, etc. They're supposed to be completely different characters, in completely different habitats, with completely different mindsets, using completely different means to going after Bugs. Making them all "friends/family" just doesn't seem right IMO (btw, sorry if I sound a little bitter here).

As I said, I personally think the whole "ensemble cast" idea really only works in cartoons centered around fourth wall humor (including The Scarlet Pumpernickel). Invasion Of The Bunny Snatchers, the only not-so-obvious fourth wall cartoon I can think of where an ensemble cast actually works, is like a deliberate parody of Bugs's seemingly frantic encounters with different co-stars. So it's an indirect fourth wall cartoon.

Bugsy-Kun

10-16-2007, 08:00 PM

Yeah, but did the characters really need this kind of development? Did they really need a "family-like" development? I think such development nullifies the whole purpose behind hunter Elmer chasing Bugs in a forest, outlaw Sam chasing Bugs in the desert, opera singer Giovanni Jones and Bugs duking it out at the Hollywood Bowl, etc. They're supposed to be completely different characters, in completely different habitats, with completely different mindsets, using completely different means to going after Bugs. Making them all "friends/family" just doesn't seem right IMO (btw, sorry if I sound a little bitter here).

Simple answer: NO!!

And if you notice some minor's Chuck Jones shorts like Marc Antony, Hubie and Bertie and Frisky Puppy, they had too this problem of "family-like" cartoons to cartoons but at last, they stopped it.

JPox

10-17-2007, 01:05 AM

oceansoul

10-17-2007, 02:38 AM

Funnily enough more Marvin the Martian cartoons made after 1964, than in the full theatrical era.

RachelToonist

10-17-2007, 04:14 AM

As "modern day Looney Tunes" go, I would have to say the best of the bunch for myself have been "Carrotblanca", "Chariots of Fur", "Pullet Prize", "Blooper Bunny", "Daffy Duck for President".
If I was able to see them, I'm sure "Little Go Beep" and "Marvin the Martian in the Third Dimension" would be on my list too.

I also agree with the problem of Chuck Jones' Production cartoons cramming way to many characters together in one story. If I may be so bold to say, at least Larry Doyle's LTs tried to create stories featuring 1 or 2 characters. (which worked great for the classics...)

I'm one of the few who liked CARROTBLANCA--it's a dead-on parody, and I rather like what they did with Tweety, who continually shifted in and out of "Peter Lorre mode" ("I disgust you, don't I?"). He had more personality in that cartoon than he'd had in years, even if it was someone else's personality.

If they had to do an ensemble cartoon, that's the way to do it.

JPox

10-17-2007, 09:03 AM

I'm one of the few who liked CARROTBLANCA--it's a dead-on parody, and I rather like what they did with Tweety, who continually shifted in and out of "Peter Lorre mode" ("I disgust you, don't I?"). He had more personality in that cartoon than he'd had in years, even if it was someone else's personality.

If they had to do an ensemble cartoon, that's the way to do it.
I agree with you completely. Every character should have a role not just gratuitus cameos. It worked for "The Scarlet Pumpernickle".
I thought that was a good character evolvement for Tweety, more personality. Kinda reminds me of Clampett's Tweety doing his Jimmy Durante impression.
""Ha-cha-cha-chaaaaaaa!"
I remember Warner Bros totally advertising that cartoon, with shirts, prints and Lays potato chip bags. Not in Canada though. I picked up a bag in Fargo, North Dakota. Bugs was on the front, "Betch'a can't eat just one, Doc!"